What *You* Want in The Ultimate Pocket Gun

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Mr. Mosin

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Discussing this topic with a gunsmith buddy of mine, along with a few odd handgun designs, and I thought to put the question to THR... if you could have a handgun built to your design specs for pocket and deep concealment usage, how would you design it ?

Me personally, I would start with something LCP sized (kept in .380 Auto and perhaps adding .32 Auto) with a heel mag release (to not accidentally drop the mag in your pocket), with a genuine DAO trigger mechanism, with fully enclosed hammer; perhaps something simple and similar to the CZ45 and it's ilk... I'd also want factory options of a blued steel, stainless, aluminum alloy, and polymer frame w/ blued/stainless slide; and trench sights. A dedicated beavertail would work wonders as well. A solid 1911-esque trigger would be nice too... not the type that pinches the finger fat of us larger types... with knurling on it.


What say y'all ?
 
I'm still trying to figure out pocket carry. At the moment I'm using an inexpensive Desantis Nemesis pocket holster for a Sig P365X with iron sights. It works for my jeans pocket and my jeans completely cover the top of the gun. But the grip prints badly. I have also tried using the shorter P365 grip module and it prints less, but I really dislike the reduced grip size.

I ordered a Recluse two sided pocket holster for use with curved bottom pockets. That will greatly reduce the printing, but it will still be obvious that there is something in my pocket. The only saving grace is that I also carry a lot of crap in my other front pocket, like wallet. cell phone, and knife, so that pocket also bulges.

The Desantis Nemesis holster will not stay put in my coat pockets when I draw and is therefore useless for that application. If I like the Recluse holster, I'll also buy the version designed for larger square pockets.

To reduce printing and make the P365 grip more comfortable, I radiused the front lip of the magazine floorplate and bottom rear of the grip. It made a visible reduction in printing, as well as makes it much more comfortable in my hand. I did the same to the P365XL grip module and magazine floorplate.

I also radiused the corners of the beavertail to reduce the possibility of the web of my hand between my thumb and forefinger catching on it during a draw.

To further reduce the width of the pistol, I cut off the manual safety lever from the right side of the pistol, which I never use anyway. If need be, while holding my P365X in my non-dominant left hand, I can still actuate the manual safety lever using either my left thumb or left forefinger.

A striker fired pistol makes more sense to me for pocket carry, as there are fewer ways for foreign objects and/or contaminants to interfere with it's operation.

I also think that the corners of the front sight should have been radiused to reduce the possibility of getting caught on something.

Even though I have an extended magazine release button my my P365X, no matter how hard I press the P365X into my body, it will not actuate the magazine release. As long as I only carry a gun in that pocket, I don't see any way that the magazine can be accidentally released.

The plain hinged trigger of the P365 does not seem vulnerable.

Also note that it finally got warm enough to start riding my bicycle with cut off jeans. I cut the legs about 1" longer than normal to make sure that the bottom of the jeans didn't ride up over the pocket. I did not have any problems with the gun pocket being exposed. While I am conscious of the grip of the P365X printing, I'm not sure that most people would ever notice. Nobody has said anything so far and I haven't noticed anyone, including security guards or cops, looking at my gun pocket.

Pocket carry will work for short trips on my bicycle, but I wouldn't want to carry that way on a 20 mile ride. It's just too much effort to be pedaling that extra weight up and down. So I'm continuing to work on my fanny pack holster.

I do need a magazine pouch that will hold the magazine to the outside edge of my left rear pocket. As long as the magazine stays on the outside edge I can comfortably sit with it. I am imagining a pouch with a flap of leather to fill the entire pocket width to hold the magazine upright and to the left side. The leather flap should also reduce the printing.

I might be missing something, but other than radiusing the corners of the front sight, I don't see anything else that I would want to change on my P365X for pocket carry.
 
Ultimate pocket gun? 9mm minimum, something like a 365, Glock 43, or PM9 with one ultimate enhancement ...
Adding a larger pistol on belt to go along with it, like a Glock 19,17/22, 1911. :);)
 
I need something like a LCP (even though I have no love for 380's OR pocket carry) that will fit in the pocket of a pair of MMA shorts- a pocket designed for a mouth guard. The reason why is that MMA shorts is what I wear to the gym and back 3 nights a week, so I'm pretty much wearing underwear with a small pocket.
 
A Remington RM380 built more like the original Rorhbaugh. With a heel mag release and a steel coil spring for the extractor instead of the the elastomer spring design.

It’s already a true DAO design and the large slide is easy to grab and manipulate.

Might as well also offer a 9mm version like Rorhbaugh did, too. Considering the .380 version is the softest shooting pocket .380 I’ve ever experienced, the 9mm version might feel like shooting an LCP.
 
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I like my P3AT. It goes bang every time, fits my hand well, and the recoil is greatly exaggerated on the internet (but I’m also not putting 50 rounds through it at a time. It’s a pocket gun not a training pistol, range gun, or target gun.) Sights are ultra low profile but perfect for the purpose and it’s absolutely possible to use them.

I do agree it would be better with a heel mag release. I don’t have much use for fast mag changes in a pistol.
 
A Remington RM380 built more like the original Rorhbaugh. With a heel mag release and a steel coil spring for the extractor instead of the the elastomer spring design.

It’s already a true DAO design and the large slide is easy to grab and manipulate.

Might as well also offer a 9mm version like Rorhbaugh did, too. Considering the .380 version is the softest shooting pocket .380 I’ve ever experienced, the 9mm version might feel like shooting an LCP.

I was going to write almost exactly this but got lazy. I wonder if anyone could make an after-market heel mag release. I bought a stainless steel Hammer Spring Seat for it years ago from Galloway. Not on their website anymore.
 
My ideal pocket gun is at least 7 rounds of 380 or above in a flush mag, DA trigger for at least the first pull (DA/SA is fine), 18 degree grip angle, snag free streamlined sights, no manual safety, and of course reliable.

My Ruger LCP version 1, gen 2 has fit the bill perfectly. I have been carrying that all summer long for the last 6 years now, and I practice with it frequently as well.

I also carry a Walther PPK when I am feeling a bit more fancy.
 
I was going to write almost exactly this but got lazy. I wonder if anyone could make an after-market heel mag release. I bought a stainless steel Hammer Spring Seat for it years ago from Galloway. Not on their website anymore.
If you could get a machinist interested, I'm sure it's possible.
 
There are 11 pages of 32 autos on GB. The closest made to your specs that I saw were the NAA Guardian and the Seecamp. As far as I know the Seecamp is made around the Winchester 60gr Silver Tips. But will also work with Speer Gold Dots. Good luck finding either one of them on the shelf. If I were looking for a pocket 32 auto it would either be the Beretta Tomcat Inox or number one choice the Kel-Tec P32. I had the Kel Tec and was the best hideout pocket gun I have ever tried.

I'm not going to do like everyone else and tell you what I carry but do my best to respond to your post. And I have never ever heard of someones "finger fat" getting caught behind a trigger. Thats a new one one me. You must have some extremely corpulent fingers to be able to do that.
 
I'm curious. The OP mentioned "finger fat" getting caught behind the trigger. I have to admit I have never, ever heard of anyone getting finger fat caught behind a trigger. Am I missing something?
 
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No matter what caliber, brand or size of the gun you carry in the pocket is, it has to be reliable enough to go bang every time you pull the trigger. The Point of Impact must come reasonably close to the Point of Aim within 15 feet.
 
For deep concealed pocket carry:

First and foremost it must draw smoothly from the pocket. Anything, such as hammer spurs, must be bobbed or smoothed to further that end. At the same time I'd like to retain the ability to fire single-action if I want so not just double action only. I have a CA Bulldog Pug in 44spl that has a bobbed hammer, but I can still cock and fire it in single action. Of course for striker fire semiautos that is not a consideration.

Secondly, it has to fill my hand in a useful way. I have extra-large hands so this is a bit of a problem with most of what would be considered "pocket pistols." Maybe a grip sleeve, T-grip adapter, whatever it takes to hold the gun firmly enough to be controllable.

Third, it must not print too much. This somewhat conflicts with #2 above, but with thought and experimentation it can be done. Holsters of the right type can help a lot. Changing the type of trousers you wear can really help if you're presently given to wearing them tight. If some thought goes into the grip shape, thickness, etc the easier the holster and pocket problem becomes.

Fourth, a sufficiently powerful cartridge. Yet another trade-off with concealability. I have carried a Kel Tec P32 quite a lot because it is highly concealable. I'd much rather carry a 9mm, 44spl, or something more potent though, if my circumstances will allow it.

Changing the type of trousers I wear - not so tight in the crotch and with larger pockets - helped more than anything else I tried. Then spending the time researching and trying various holsters to allow for a pocket draw and not printing. Once I'd done that I found I could accomplish #4 in a useful way as well. Lastly going over to a true gun belt that would allow for all-day carrying of the weight of the pistol without discomfort or dragging my trouser waist down, finished it off.
 
Something that fits in my jeans pockets and doesn’t immediately stand out as an obvious gun, or something other than a wallet.

So basically an LCP or smaller.

But I rarely have any need or desire for a pocket gun anyway.
 
A miniature Heckler & Koch P7 pistol with that superb squeeze-to-cock feature would work nicely.
 
The side-button, high-profile mag release is the dumbest feature ever on a pocket carry gun. Give me a stiff, recessed heel release (like on a Makarov) every time. Unfortunately, the number of current guns that feature such a system is about zero. Too many John Wick wannabe's think they are going to be doing tactical mag changes in the Quickie Mart parking lot, when the more likely scenario is that their magazine has unknowingly become partially ejected and will become fully ejected as soon as they draw.
 
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