Make the mini14 suck less or making the mini14 great again

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I have 3 Minis; a 180 series stainless .223 Ranch, a similar vintage blued Mini 30 and a new model 583 series stainless 5.56.

The newer gun has the faster 1/9” twist and heavier barrel, it shoots better than the 180 series.

I paid $349 for my newest mini in January, it was a police trade in that maaaaybe had a box of rounds fired through it. As far as I could see it was nearly spotless inside and out.

At some point I will tinker with the trigger to improve the pull, it has the usual heavy-creepy Mini pull they almost all have out of the box.

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I completed a week-long Patrol Rifle Instructor School with an open-sighted Mini-14 similar to this one in January of 2020. We shot at ranges from 5 to 300 yards. My scoring performance with the Mini wasn’t close to the guys using the optics-mounted AR’s, but I was good enough to pass so I’m happy.

Mid-week we had a contest and shot at 50 yds in pitch black, trying to hit the light-sticks on our target. Once you did then you got to shoot neighboring light sticks until we missed... I barely hit mine and got one other to my left, but a younger dude from up North quickly cleaned house and shot like 8 or 9 (or 10?) in a row with his ACOG-mounted BCM. :thumbup:

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Later, still in near-total blackness, while we were drill-shooting with flashlights they called in air support that flew up fast and then hit the spotlight. The airship settled about 15 feet over our heads and the wash got so strong it ultimately blew all the stapled targets away and even sent all of our dropped mags skidding across the concrete.

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(I am in the black jacket still shooting the Mini, directly under the nose of the helicopter.) I brought five rifle mags with me so I blazed away with the rifle until my target blew off the stand. Almost all of the others had already shot their rifle mags dry and had transitioned to pistols by the time this was taken. Even when banging away with a bone-stock Mini it was an awesome week of shooting :thumbup:.

The Mini 14 has its uses despite its high price and well-less-than-MOA average accuracy. It is deputy-proof, can handle little maintenance and still run all day, is simple to operate and hits with the exact same authority as the AR. Plus, in Ca it is still 100% legal to walk into a gun store to buy and own today without being registered as an “assault weapon” or skirting the anti AR/AK rules with “featureless” furniture or some other gizmo to operate it.

Stay safe.
 
I should have specified, I thought I did. Mines a 183 non-ranch with the M14 style sight, but replaced with a rail and cheap optic. I have better more appropriate optics just collecting dust so won't even have to buy one.
When I take it all apart I'm going to investigate the possibility of drilling and tapping the scope rail it has now up front, if not I'll buy a scope rail specifically for the front drill and tap job, about $80.
 
The Accuracy Systems harmonic barrel stabilizer has a reputation of cutting inches off groups.

This might be something for the original poster to look into before cutting or changing barrels. Not inexpensive though at $200+.

https://www.ruger-mini-14-firearms.com/

That's where I got the new factory take off barrel from.
Yeah I'm definitely going to get one after I figure out if I am definitely stuck with the old pencil barrel or can I make a 580+ barrel fit on there.
 
The Accuracy Systems harmonic barrel stabilizer has a reputation of cutting inches off groups.

This might be something for the original poster to look into before cutting or changing barrels. Not inexpensive though at $200+.

https://www.ruger-mini-14-firearms.com/

I've got the Ruger factory version barrel dampener on mine. Haven't shot it enough yet to figure out if it works, but I did shoot without it on there and some cheap ammo started shooting about 2" that was closer to 4" with the dampener on.

Goal is to someday figure out the load it likes best, then play with the harmonics. Looks kinda dumb on there but looks way worse without.
 
Mine shot pretty well the first three or four or five shots. Then the barrel would warm up and it would be all over the place.
 
I did a function test. I knew it wouldn't cycle with my pretty accurate 55gr fmj bt with a start load of H322. Seemed to be short stroking. Then I tried a normal load with near max load of AA2460, still short stroking. I took the gas block apart and the hole looked a bit small. A 50 thousands Allen wrench fit with a bit of wiggle room. A 1/16 drill bit (0.062'') seemed like it wanted to fit but the edges were catching and figured if I tried to clean up the hole with a 1/16 drill it would break so I used a 5/64 which is 80 thousands, 2mm if you self identify as metric to punch it out. I chucked up the 5/64 bit in the drill press as to not over drill the hole and stab through to the opposite side of the barrel. Now it locks back with the 55gr with the start load of H322. I think I'm going to test it for accuracy with my current loads now that it will cycle.
I'll be testing the carbine load cci400, 22.5gr of H322 and a M193 bullet at book COAL.
The carbine and rifle load, CCI41, AA2460 @ 24gr with M855 bullet. A mostly for the rifle M855 load with CCI450, w748 at 25.5gr and the rifle only 69gr HPBT with cci41 and 26gr of leverevolution.
Edit: I found a run of my super accurate Sierra tipped matchking 64gr basically a ballistic tip boat tail. Over 22gr of H322 (start load) with a cci400 primer. These will shoot pretty close to 1moa in an A2 with a silencer, they won't cycle a rifle length gas system with out a silencer. They run great in the mid length and carbine length with no silencer.
 
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I did a function test. I knew it wouldn't cycle with my pretty accurate 55gr fmj bt with a start load of H322. Seemed to be short stroking. Then I tried a normal load with near max load of AA2460, still short stroking. I took the gas block apart and the hole looked a bit small. A 50 thousands Allen wrench fit with a bit of wiggle room. A 1/16 drill bit (0.062'') seemed like it wanted to fit but the edges were catching and figured if I tried to clean up the hole with a 1/16 drill it would break so I used a 5/64 which is 80 thousands, 2mm if you self identify as metric to punch it out. I chucked up the 5/64 bit in the drill press as to not over drill the hole and stab through to the opposite side of the barrel. Now it locks back with the 55gr with the start load of H322. I think I'm going to test it for accuracy with my current loads now that it will cycle.
I'll be testing the carbine load cci400, 22.5gr of H322 and a M193 bullet at book COAL.
The carbine and rifle load, CCI41, AA2460 @ 24gr with M855 bullet. A mostly for the rifle M855 load with CCI450, w748 at 25.5gr and the rifle only 69gr HPBT with cci41 and 26gr of leverevolution.
80 thousands is pretty big, are you using a buffer?
 
The gas port plug is usually 0.085'' what's the normal hole diameter in the barrel supposed to be?
I can throw a buffer on there, I have heard of people using 1911 buffers and I know I have some, if can't find my stash I will find something to toss on there, some sort of o-ring or something.
Ultimately it will have some sort of adjustable gas system.

80 thousands is pretty big, are you using a buffer?
 
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The gas port plug is usually 0.085'' what's the normal hole diameter in the barrel supposed to be?
I can throw a buffer on there, I have heard of people using 1911 buffers and I know I have some, if can't find my stash I will find something to toss on there, some sort of o-ring or something.
Ultimately it will have some sort of adjustable gas system.
On "Perfect Union" which is known to be a good source of Mini-14 info, some recommended the Wilson 1911 buffers, which is what I've been using.
 
GunBlue490 has a good video comparing a Mini-14 to an AR-15. He tries the Mini-14 in two different stocks too. I have to say it shot pretty well with the better shooting stock using handloads and 55 grain soft points.
 
I have an AR 15 and I think it is a fine accurate rifle,but I would sell it before my Ranch Rifle. Just as my Shield 45 2.0 is a fine accurate polymer pistol, but I would sell it before my 45 Colt Commander.... Must be an age thing of what we saw when we were growing up. My RR is really accurate with Federal American 50gr HP.223 and I'm not unhappy with the performance any other round I've tried over the years + zero stoppages ever encountered.
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OP, I think you have an interesting idea and I look forward to seeing how things work out.

I have a 182-series Mini-14 (1981) which I bought used in '86 because I could not afford an AR in those days.

While I love the function and reliability of the rifle, I have never been impressed with the accuracy.
Like yours mine seems to be about a 6MOA rifle with M193 ammo -which is what I have always shot in it.

It's been in my safe for years, but now that I'm retired I am revisiting some of my neglected firearms.
Playing around with it, I found that it shoots Wolf 55g .223 better than M193.
 
I have an AR 15 and I think it is a fine accurate rifle,but I would sell it before my Ranch Rifle. Just as my Shield 45 2.0 is a fine accurate polymer pistol, but I would sell it before my 45 Colt Commander.... Must be an age thing of what we saw when we were growing up. My RR is really accurate with Federal American 50gr HP.223 and I'm not unhappy with the performance any other round I've tried over the years + zero stoppages ever encountered.
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What series rifle is that?
 
OP, I think you have an interesting idea and I look forward to seeing how things work out.

I have a 182-series Mini-14 (1981) which I bought used in '86 because I could not afford an AR in those days.

While I love the function and reliability of the rifle, I have never been impressed with the accuracy.
Like yours mine seems to be about a 6MOA rifle with M193 ammo -which is what I have always shot in it.

It's been in my safe for years, but now that I'm retired I am revisiting some of my neglected firearms.
Playing around with it, I found that it shoots Wolf 55g .223 better than M193.
No one could afford an AR15 back in the 1980s and adjusted for inflation they were like $2,400 in today's money. The only people I know of buying AR15s in the preban days were retired military or police guys who would buy them and go all over the place to shoot competitions. Yeah thank a gun grabber for cheap ARs, during that stupid "asualt weapon ban" the demand went way up and more companies started producing them and the price has only been going down since then.
I love telling gun grabbers they're the reason the AR15 is the most popular rifle in America.
 
How are the new mini 14's.

Around 1K new. Not sure why the price jumped up there in the last few years. I bought mine new in 2018 for $725 from a dealer. After a $100 tune up (trigger and gas block bushing) it shoots 2 MOA. Not great but I have a bolt rifle for more precise shooting. I knew what I was buying when I bought it.
 
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When compared to the AR platform, the Mini-14 has several disadvantages:

Based on WW II design (but made with modern technology)
Less modular. Can't swap out things like barrels or uppers like you can on the AR.
Very specialized tools required to work on Mini-14 (and sold by Ruger only to Ruger trained armorers)

That said, it's a fun light little gun. Accuracy has improved with heavier barrel (or barrel shortened to 16") and twist or addition of the Accustrut. It's also available in Californiastan where EBRs have been illegal since 1989.

I would love to get a Grenada police (or is it military) marked one or one purchased by the French Government.
 
I encourage use of the Accuracy Systems Dampener. Those things WORK! Of course it doesn’t become a 1/4” gun overnight, but they will absolutely bring a Mini into the 1moa threshold. And for a battle rifle, that is fantastic!

And I’ll just point out the obvious. This little thing makes the Mini look amazing! SHOULD have been part of the design from jump street! So a $200 accessory that significantly increases accuracy & looks. Worth every penny!
 
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