Packing a punch, and concealing it. Ideas?

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Why stop at 12ga. Why not 10. Or, .500 s&w mag. Or-. Why not just concentrate on being able to put what you have where it needs to be when it needs to be there. If you can't do that it's really not going matter anyway.
Yeah I think a S&W 500 would hurt if not kill while wearing body armor. Could be wrong the human body is weird. What I survived can kill you. And visa versus.
 
Good call. Yeah, I guess I forgot about the 5.7. That might be a good compromise and with the added bonus of on the body carry, that's an excellent option. I shot one on two occasions and shot it very well. I loved the FN but wasn't ready to pay what they were going for during BHO. Since then Ruger has put one out and I've seen them for around $575-$650. That's an idea. My uncle likes the Kel Tec PMR30 but I don't. They are too finicky for me even after some aftermarket upgrades.
Whuddabout a Krink?
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You'd have to SBR it, but at least you have the advantage of a shoulder stock compared to an AR pistol and much shorter/ concealable than even a 7.5" AR with a buffer tube. The 5.45 has pretty good penetration against soft armor and wouldn't even notice a helmet. AR500 will still stop it, of course.
The Krink is still a noisey cricket for sure, though.....
 
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I would think this would be close to the top of your list based on your stated requirements. Bonus that it uses PS 90 mags .

https://tooeleshootingsupply.com/sh...d-uses-ps90-mags-black-finish-kel-tec-p50blk/
Liking the 5.7 suggestion, something like this would be perfect but I don't have alot of faith in Kel Tec and I've given them a pretty fair shake. But something like this would be great.

Thanks for the input everybody, I think I got it from here. I want to carry something more powerful, I'll figure it out.
You can always ask Gecko45, the original "mall ninja security guard" what he would recommend.
Ask the "Mall ninja" really? alright.........:confused:

This was productive. It's funny, I must have mentioned at least 4 or 5 times that I carry a 9mm and will continue to do so, I was pretty specific too...... oh well. All good.
 
Ask the "Mall ninja" really? alright.........:confused:

If you aren’t familiar with the story of Gecko45 I highly recommend you Google it. One of the most entertaining trolls in the history of Internet gun talk.

Another vote here for the 5.7. Or go NFA and get one of those cutoff shotguns like Phillip Michael Thomas carried on Miami Vice.
 
Another vote here for the 5.7. Or go NFA and get one of those cutoff shotguns like Phillip Michael Thomas carried on Miami Vice.
I would actually be interested in doing that. I gotta think that a 9 pellet load of 00 to the groin at bad breath distance would be a pretty quick fight stopper, that's assuming I could legally carry it hidden. I didn't know you couldn't carry a Shockwave hidden, I'm gonna have to check into the laws on that stuff for sure.
 
I would actually be interested in doing that. I gotta think that a 9 pellet load of 00 to the groin at bad breath distance would be a pretty quick fight stopper, that's assuming I could legally carry it hidden. I didn't know you couldn't carry a Shockwave hidden, I'm gonna have to check into the laws on that stuff for sure.
Yeah, it’s stupid but that’s the rule. Shockwave skirts the rules by being a “firearm” but once you conceal it on your person it magically becomes an AOW and now an NFA weapon.
 
I've recently begun to think about the possibility of carrying something with a lil more horsepower than a 9mm, possibly a Shockwave 12Ga type of gun or possibly an AR pistol, like a really small one that can conceal very nicely in a small inconspicuous bag, possibly a 7.5". Are there any other options outside of those two, rhetorical, I know there is but I know there are guys here who have come to this road long before me and have had plenty of time to think on it and I'm sure some of you guys have come up with pretty clever solutions as far as going about concealing them.

It's really disturbing, the idea of somebody heavily armed and having the advantage of surprise and advance knowledge storming into a place, keyed up and with no regard for human life, targeting places of worship, supermarkets, theaters, etc and being forced to react completely taken by surprise with very little time to even process what youre seeing let alone react to it.

I've recently decided to possibly re evaluate my carry choices or supplement them in some cases, some of the time. Not saying we should all live crippled with fear or that everybody ought to walk around strapped to the gills, just considering my regular activities and thinking in such an event, just having a lil pocket 9 makes me a lil more vulnerable than I care to be in certain places. In such an event, you're probably going to be dumbstruck for at least a few seconds while you try to make sense of what's going on unless youre trained to deal with that kind of stress and react quickly, and by then if you aren't already becoming past tense, it would be best to have basically anything besides all your common handgun cartridges, think churches or public gatherings, farmers markets, etc..... I'm thinking 12ga or 5.56 would be suited to this task and the best way to conceal it in public is? Any ideas guys?


Assume I already know that a well placed .380 or .22lr will do the job. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about facing down a murderer with a rifle and body count goals, what is the best thing to have in this scenario that can be concealed and drawn within a few seconds.

Hasn't your department / agency/ unit already made that decision for you and issued their choice?
 
If the 5.7 won’t penetrate rifle armor, I would not carry it over any full size gun with 17 or 19 rounds. From the testing I’ve seen, IIRC, the 5.7 doesn’t do as much damage as a good 9mm hollow point.

It would at least take serious evaluation to determine if I can shoot it as well as my favorite Glock. 20 round magazines are nice but a near 5” barrel is going to be more difficult to conceal than a G17 at 4.5”
 
I'm talking about facing down a murderer with a rifle and body count goals, what is the best thing to have in this scenario that can be concealed and drawn within a few seconds.
A communicator so you could contact the starship to beam you up immediately and out of the danger... Seriously, the best thing to have would be a lot of training under your belt. And experience shooting a handgun at extended distances. There's just no magic firearm that will by virtue of you having it on you give you an advantage over a well-armed bad man possessed of a long gun and bad intent.

I gotta think that a 9 pellet load of 00 to the groin at bad breath distance would be a pretty quick fight stopper, that's assuming I could legally carry it hidden.
I am familiar with a case where an officer made entry into a house (domestic disturbance turned into possible hostage, shots fired), shouldered his 870 Police Magnum (with Federal LE 00), fired down a hallway -- within 10 or 12 feet from the subject, armed with a .45 pistol -- and all 9 of the .32 caliber pellets went over the suspect's left shoulder into the wall at the end of the hallway. Fortunately, the breeze from the passing pellets convinced the suspect to drop his weapon and prone out in a most hasty manner.

A pistol-gripped shotgun with no buttstock is about the most ridiculous firearm I could think of carrying. It's a brutal weapon to shoot with full-house loads, less-than-optimum concealment (to put it kindly) with a limited payload and of little use against a determined adversary with body armor. For me, if I didn't have something on the order of a SIG P-226 (18 round mag, one in the pipe and couple spare 20-rounders on the belt), I'd want a 5" barreled 1911 with good sights and a great trigger. NOT a shotgun.
 
Without a good mindset and proper training, duct tape and ballistic plates!

Be sure to double up on the rear plates because you'll be facing away from the bad guy more than not.
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Is this thread still open? :thumbdown:
 
Without a good mindset and proper training, duct tape and ballistic plates!

Be sure to double up on the rear plates because you'll be facing away from the bad guy more than not.

Is this thread still open? :thumbdown:

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The tacticz!
 
I was hoping the few who do CC a larger more potent weapon than a pistol would chime in. This all was great. I suppose I didn't paint a clear enough picture. I didn't want to overshare on details of where I would be specifically or why I would be afforded the ability to carry a small bag without raising any fuss and why the area I would be in from time to time is particularly vulnerable. Just didn't want to get into it specifically.

You just roll the dice when you ask for advice on the internet. Probably time to shut it down before somebody pops in with a Rambo M60 Meme or some other daft thing that's completely irrelevant to the OP
 
I suppose I didn't paint a clear enough picture
Speaking for myself, I didn't get the concept of concealed-carrying anything larger and more potent than I pistol. Perhaps if one is in the habit of carrying around a guitar (or violin case)... I keep thinking of Antonio Banderas in "Desperado." But on a serious note, it's difficult to envision an environment (unless one is Secret Service or an authorized agent on a protection detail) where one can carry a concealed firearm larger than a full-size pistol.
 
Speaking for myself, I didn't get the concept of concealed-carrying anything larger and more potent than I pistol. Perhaps if one is in the habit of carrying around a guitar (or violin case)...
Well that'd be a great idea if I was trying to tote around a tommygun or a full sized rifle. I was considering something more innocuous like a computer satchel or day pack.

I get that it's not conventional and outside the norm. I just don't know why it's inconceivable. I'm getting that people think it's just not done, no reason to. I gotta point out, I've seen people on here throughout the years who have posted lil carry rigs with a AR or PS90 or something similar along those lines in a nicely appointed pack with a couple spare mags, etc. Just can't locate them atm.
 
I read a Buffalo survivor account. The survivor was standing next to the security guard when the shooting started. The survivor heard the first shot, saw the first victim in the blue dress fall, and then the survivor did a 180, ran thru the store and out the back door.

I haven’t read any survivor accounts of those who stood their ground. Did you notice the ages of the victims? There is your sign @DustyGmt that the best thing in this scenario was healthy, strong legs.

Can’t run? Practice head size shots at 100 yards with whatever you carry. Can’t make hits at 100? Reselect until you can.
 
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