Have You Ever Sold A Gun To .....

LocoGringo · Jun 12, 2022

I have a little bit of heartburn about your phrasing in the OP. "Universal background check" is the goal of anti-gunners and is not in existence yet. A "background check" is used by an FFL through the NICS system. I also believe that Universal Background Checks will be used by the federal government (if it is ever passed) as a gun registry and pray that it never comes to pass.

You seem to be using the terms interchangeably when they are quite different. Words have meanings and using them incorrectly implies a lot of things.

Madcap_Magician · Jun 12, 2022

OP is trolling.

conan32120 · Jun 12, 2022

in my near 50 years of buying' selling and trading firearms anything is possible, of course 30-40 years ago no one gave a damn

pharmer · Jun 12, 2022

1982-'95, as an 01 FFL I needed to see a FL DL and money. 1991 Fl went to "1-800- FDLE background check" and if all was well, proceeded. Were any "prohibited persons?" Geez, I hope not. To balance it out, about 15 years ago a good friend was dying of liver cancer. He had a Beretta pistol and 8 long guns, all purchased on 4473's from both NJ and Florida. He also had a felony conviction for "assault with a deadly weapon" from 1968, a prohibited person. Sold all of them in 1 afternoon at the Lakeland gunshow, righting the grievous wrong (sarcasm) gaining myself massive karma points. None of the current "solutions" being discussed in the raging "gun control push" will lessen the hatred in young, alienated men's hearts which is the root of this "evil." Joe

Carl N. Brown · Jun 12, 2022

Firearms Use by Offenders

Bureau of Justice statistics from National Institute of Justice of US Department of Justice
Periodic survey of imprisoned inmates who carried or used a firearm in the offense for which they were imprisoned.

Source of firearms possessed by state prison inmates at time of offense.

Code:

Source of firearm          1991  1997  2004  2016

Retail Purchase or trade   20.8% 14.0% 11.3%  9.7%
- Retail store             14.7   8.2   7.3   7.2
- Pawnshop                  4.2   4.0   2.6   1.5
- Flea market               1.3   1.0   0.6   0.4
- Gun show                  0.6   0.8   0.8   0.8

Family or friend*          33.8% 40.1% 37.4% 26.0%
- Purchased or traded      13.5  12.6  12.2   7.9
- Rented or borrowed       10.1  18.9  14.1   7.0
- Other                    10.2   8.5  11.1  11.2

Street/illegal source      40.8% 37.3% 40.0% 49.8%**
- Theft or burglary        10.5   9.1   7.5
- Drug dealer/off street   22.5  20.3  25.2
- Fence/black market        7.8   8.0   7.4

Other**                     4.6%  8.7% 11.2% 17.1%**

New 2016 source breakdown expanded from Street/Illegal and Other

Code:

43.2% Off the street/underground 

 6.6% Theft (by the firearms user)                   
 1.5%  - From burglary           
  : %  - From retail source       
 1.8%  - From family/friend       
 3.3%  - Unspecified theft 
     
17.1% Other source               
 6.7%  - Found at crime location 
 4.7%  - Brought by someone else 
 5.6%  - Other

"Off the street, underground" includes Drug dealer, Street dealer, Fence, Black Market
"Street/Illegal source" used to include theft by the firearms user

wiscoaster · Jun 12, 2022

WrongHanded said:
..... Please don't put words in my mouth.

A little touchy are we? I just answered the literal question quoted from the preceding post. There was no qualifier added or removed from the quote. You didn't specify knowingly or unknowingly in your OP. Meaning either and both. So I added the qualifier to make intention distinction clear. I didn't attribute that distinction to you, nor did I imply that intent to your example, either. My intent was to say that the state law was irrelevant when it came to Federal jurisdiction on this particular crime, and to clarify exactly what the crime was. Which I took it as what the question I was quoting, and responding to, was all about.

Stevie-Ray · Jun 12, 2022

Only guns I've ever sold have been to dealers.

rust collector · Jun 12, 2022

It appears that the topic has been thoroughly cussed and discussed, so time for a wrap. Good food for thought, but any conclusions have already been drawn.

Have You Ever Sold A Gun To .....

[See question written in bold text in the OP]

Yes. I could have unknowing sold to a prohibited individual

No. It's impossible that I could have sold to a prohibited individual.

I've never sold a gun without the transferee undertaking a BGC.

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