Senators announce bipartisan agreement on gun proposals

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I'm seriously disappointed in John Cornyn, but not for the first time.
My family has been disappointed in him for a very long time. I posted on this forum before this started that he could not be trusted. I hate that my assessment that he was up to his same shenanigans has come to pass. He should have stepped down shortly after he was elected this last time and had a true Texas patriot take his place.
As it stands now, the liberals have several Hispanic Dems lined up, ready to take his slot next time that office comes up for re-election.
 
The vote on the "framework" will not take place this week. Then Congress goes home for the Juneteenth holiday. Cornyn is basically slow-walking this thing to death, removing one provision after another. The pro-gun side's criticism of him has evidently been misplaced.
 
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While some measures may or may not have some validity, it is clear that the Democratic end game is a renewed and more comprehensive assault rifle and mag ban. The first step might be a new construction of all semi type ban but with grandfathering to make it palatable to some. Then a later, confiscatory ban of existing weapons.

There are two solutions to the problem. First, Scotus actually takes a ban case and in clear language declares such future and existing bans as unconstitutional. They cannot fall into Scalia waffle house of 'why of course, this or that restriction is just dandy'. Kennedy and Stevens are gone, so they don't have to play that game UNLESS they are really not committed supporters of the 2A (which may be likely for some). Second, with a Republican Congress and Presidency if that occurs (and we don't have an erratic, you get what you want Nancy, let's ban this or that and take the guns away before the law president) something like the SAGA act of yore which would have nailed the state bans actually gets passed. Recall that Mitch wasn't all in for positive gun legislation. One problem is that such positive solutions takes away the fund raising, hair on fire messaging. So behind the scenes, positive measures may be stalled or never get to be put in place.

Continued rampages will build moral panic momentum for bans. Enough sportsmen and women will testify to the lack of need of weapons of war. It is an empirical question whether they carry the PR day.
 
AlexanderA: I really hope you're right on the slow walking.

I really question the repubs on the "committee" and the term "negotiations". What are they negotiating? The Repubs haven't proposed anything positive. No nationwide reciprocity, no silencer removal from the NFA, no SBR removal from NFA, NOTHING. He's just trying to moderate the loss. ATTACK!! Don't play defense.

I also hate the idea that the 18-21 year olds don't have sufficient brain development. If they don't have the development to buy a gun, then how do they have the mental capacity to VOTE???!!!
 
it is clear that the Democratic end game is a renewed and more comprehensive assault rifle and mag ban.
Sure, but they're facing a wipeout this November. It hasn't dawned on some Democrats that the gun issue is a loser for them, particularly among traditional Democratic base groups like blue-collar workers and Latinos. On the other hand, the urban elites who support gun control would vote Democratic anyway. In other words, the gun issue does move votes, but on a net basis, away from the Democrats.
 
I also hate the idea that the 18-21 year olds don't have sufficient brain development. If they don't have the development to buy a gun, then how do they have the mental capacity to VOTE???!!!

Long ago that amendment to give the vote to 18 year olds was an emotional issue brought about by the whole "If 18 is old enough for the Draft....etc "
A minimum,(or any.. o_O), mental capacity has never been a requirement to vote.
 
I really question the repubs on the "committee" and the term "negotiations". What are they negotiating? The Repubs haven't proposed anything positive. No nationwide reciprocity, no silencer removal from the NFA, no SBR removal from NFA, NOTHING. He's just trying to moderate the loss. ATTACK!! Don't play defense.
The Republicans started out with the goal of enacting ..... nothing! (They couldn't say that, because it would be bad PR.) So the whole thing was a stall tactic until the problem went away. The usual drill.

But you're right -- if they had proposed something pro-gun, as an offset, it would have been a "tell" that the negotiations were serious. Obviously the negotiations were never serious.

The status quo on the gun issue pleases everyone -- Republican and Democrat alike -- because they can fundraise to their heart's content over it. Pardon my cynicism.

This is a bad portent for the future because, if as expected, the Republicans take over Congress this fall, and possibly the presidency in 2024, they won't actually do anything for gun owners. Just like the last time they had control.
 
The Republicans started out with the goal of enacting ..... nothing! (They couldn't say that, because it would be bad PR.) So the whole thing was a stall tactic until the problem went away. The usual drill.
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The status quo on the gun issue pleases everyone -- Republican and Democrat alike -- because they can fundraise to their heart's content over it. Pardon my cynicism.

This is a bad portent for the future because, if as expected, the Republicans take over Congress this fall, and possibly the presidency in 2024, they won't actually do anything for gun owners. Just like the last time they had control.

If you aren't cynical then you aren't paying attention... .
 
Senator Cornyn walked out of the talks and headed back to Texas today.
Today was the deadline for things to be hammered out for a Senate vote before the recess.
Unless they get Cornyn to turn around and they get this bill ready for a vote next week "reform" is dead this year.
 
Senator Cornyn walked out of the talks and headed back to Texas today.
Today was the deadline for things to be hammered out for a Senate vote before the recess.
Unless they get Cornyn to turn around and they get this bill ready for a vote next week "reform" is dead this year.

In keeping with the spirit of your sig line hso, we'll have to hope that is true. o_O
 
These are just a few of the examples of what the Dems have done, and they wonder why people want to be able to protect themselves and their families? I'd like to know why the 10 republican senators working with the Dems are not demanding they change their criminal behavior before sitting down to negotiate.
Perhaps they believe the same way as that idiot PM in Canada, Trudeau. I saw an interview yesterday where he flat out stated Canadian citizens do not have the right to protect themselves with firearms against intruders or others seeking to harm them as US citizens do. Unbelievable.
 
Senator Cornyn walked out of the talks and headed back to Texas today.
Today was the deadline for things to be hammered out for a Senate vote before the recess.
Unless they get Cornyn to turn around and they get this bill ready for a vote next week "reform" is dead this year.
Given what we've said about Cornyn slow-walking the proposal to death (that is, the end result being nothing), it's ironic that he was repeatedly booed by pro-gun activists at the Texas GOP convention today. These people have no idea how the Washington process works. Sad, and self-destructive.
 
Given what we've said about Cornyn slow-walking the proposal to death (that is, the end result being nothing), it's ironic that he was repeatedly booed by pro-gun activists at the Texas GOP convention today. These people have no idea how the Washington process works. Sad, and self-destructive.
I don't think there was much irononic about it. I think the average Texan is tired of having politicians, particularly THIS politician, tell one lie out of one side of his face then in the next breath say an entirely contradictory lie out of the other side of his face.
The "sad, self-destructive" part is that our system is so broken that some people expect us to accept as the normal course of politics for an elected official to piss in our boot and not only tell us it is raining, but then use that incident to introduce a $$$ bill for flood control.
 
I don't think there was much ironic about it. I think the average Texan is tired of having politicians, particularly THIS politician, tell one lie out of one side of his face then in the next breath say an entirely contradictory lie out of the other side of his face.
The "sad, self-destructive" part is that our system is so broken that some people expect us to accept as the normal course of politics for an elected official to piss in our boot and not only tell us it is raining, but then use that incident to introduce a $$$ bill for flood control.
The fallacy here is that you expect politicians to be totally transparent, and at the same time be effective. Effectiveness means sometimes playing the cards close to the vest. Cornyn is in Republican leadership, and so he knows how the game is played. Judge him by his results. He's done a pretty good job emasculating the gun bill. Probably, in the end, there will be nothing at all. What more do you want?
 
The fallacy here is that you expect politicians to be totally transparent, and at the same time be effective. Effectiveness means sometimes playing the cards close to the vest. Cornyn is in Republican leadership, and so he knows how the game is played. Judge him by his results. He's done a pretty good job emasculating the gun bill. Probably, in the end, there will be nothing at all. What more do you want?
I respectfully disagree that the fallacy here is that this is a GAME. Cornyn isn't going to Kenny Rogers his way into outbluffing the liberals and all of a sudden POOF......gun rights are safe and free forever. Just maybe me and all the other Texans who have (mistakenly) believed his lies over the years are the ones who are gonna turn out to be the losers in all this. Again.
At the end of the day I ask myself, is what he is doing better for Texans and better for gun owners, rather than if he had not worked with the liberals at all, and I come up with a big fat NO. We won't get fooled again. Indeed. Until next time.
 
...convention today. These people have no idea how the Washington process works.

I understand PERFECTLY how it works, it's in MY sig line.

Oh , BTW, I ain't lookn thru no one's rosey colored glasses on this one; I believe that ol Joe & his creu are dyed in the wool gun,ammo, knives, sticks, pitchforks, sling shot, butter knife grabbers.
 
In terms of its effect on us, this is a nothingburger.

Speaking of his heavily guarded self, who are the person standing behind UpChuck wearing the WW1 helmets & masks? (2nd picture)
Looks like reenactors. I'd like to know more about this. What was the occasion? But those aren't WW1 gas masks (Small Box Respirators). Looks like Covid masks. If you're going to do reenactments, at least do it right.
 
Looks like porkbarrel laws are the norm for 2A I guess anything to make a buck in the name of common sense and safety
 
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