NY Already Planning to Nullify Supreme Court Decision

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NY's governor has called the legislature into an emergency session for a workaround to the SC decision ordering the state to grant more concealed carry licenses. Her plan is to make people applying for a license jump through many more hoops, i.e., more training, a written test, interviews, etc, and restrict places guns can be carried, and in typical NY fashion, go completely overboard in the number of restricted areas. Also, little or no discussion before a vote and once again no time for the public to respond.

There are so many restricted areas that will overlap that a person would probably have no idea they may be in one. But beware, carrying in a restricted area would be a felony, punishable by up to 4 years in prison.

From a NY Times article:

"Legislators are considering, for example, adding new requirements for New Yorkers to receive a concealed carry permit, including 16 hours of training on how to handle a handgun, two hours of firing range training, an in-person interview and a written exam, according to internal legislative memos obtained by The New York Times.

Though Ms. Hochul said she had reached an agreement with her Democratic colleagues in the Legislature on the broad contours of the bill, lawmakers were still finalizing the details and the precise language on Thursday afternoon, with a vote expected later in the night.

Legislative leaders and the governor appeared to have reached an agreement on a list of locations where guns would be banned: health care facilities, including nursing homes and domestic violence shelters; houses of worship; colleges and universities; places where children gather, such as day care centers, playgrounds, parks and zoos; public transportation; places where alcohol or cannabis is consumed; and theaters, arenas, concerts, casinos and other entertainment venues.

Under the plan being considered, carrying a weapon in a prohibited area would amount to a felony punishable by up to four years in prison."

Here's the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/nyregion/handgun-concealed-carry-ny.html
 
That rule is the killer of carry as everyday life is going to be banned from carry. You will not be able to go to most any business (as few will give positive signs) and you can't leave the gun in the car.

I will say this straight out. It is the fault of the justices, yet again, to think through what the opposition would come up with. The decision should have had explicit language pre-empting such rules. Just mentioning 'sensitive' places was insufficient. The idea that they plan for a re-visitation is idiotic as that takes years. It didn't work for Heller and gun and mag bans.

If the other affected states adopt these sort of rules you have a pyrrhic victory, if even that. My permit will be worthless except in very limited circumstances. Currently, while hard to get, my permit is pretty good.
 
Has there been progress in other civil rights fields that holds rules to restrict to exercise of a right to be unconstitutional? If so this may be the route that must now be taken.
 
It is interesting what New York's governor and legislators are saying about New Yorkers. In essence, their position is that these new laws are necessary because New Yorkers are too ill-trained, too inexperienced, too emotionally unhinged, and, perhaps, too stupid to carry a concealed firearm without causing lots of unnecessary shootings and deaths.

In other words, New Yorkers, your representatives think that you don't have the sensibility or education to do what citizens in most of the rest of the states in the country freely and safely do very, very well every day. Iowa farmers, Wyoming cowboys, brand-new Mexican immigrants in Arizona, gamblers in Nevada, ranchers in Texas, and urbanites in every one of those states who have shall-issue laws carry concealed firearms safely. And commit crimes at a lower rate than even police officers!

But New Yorkers can't. So pathetic. Unless its true, of course.

But, personally, I'm offended at that characterization. And I think that New Yorkers should be offended at it, too.

Perhaps, New Yorkers, your cry could be "If the rest of the country can handle this freedom, well, then we can, too! And even better!"
 
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So New Yorkers (and Californians for that matter) will go from:
No you can't have a permit so no, you can't carry anywhere.

To:
Ok yes, you can have a permit but no, you still can't carry anywhere.

That hardly qualifies as an improvement because not a whole lot is changing there. There really needs to be criminal repercussions for tyrants who flagrantly circumvent the highest court in the land.
 
This is our boots on the ground reality in NYS right now: Hochul and her administration are trying to do a blanket ban on all carry...precisely the thing they have been told by SCOTUS they are not allowed to do.

I don't know why she's doing this; for all I know it amuses her to see how much she can get away with. This will eventually get back to SCOTUS. The trouble is that we don't even know if it will be the same court by then.

For the sake of keeping the thread on topic and "keeping my powder dry," I will leave it at that for now.
 
No argument will change minds. It is ideological. Only votes, which won’t happen in NY, or a court decision that actually thinks the decision through in terms of actual behavior will make a difference.

Arguments made by Shaw's "unreasonable man" change ideology. And, later, votes and statutory law.

The "reasonable man" never changes anything.

I have no confidence in activist judges of any political stripe.
 
Cut off NYC and close in burbs and you have a reasonable place. I agree, with the digression, that the extremists of both parties rule the primaries and are bringing the country down. Sexuality and gun discussions are being pushed by fanatics. Sorry for this if the mods think it is out of line. Most folks would like the government out of their crotch and holsters.
 
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