N555
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Good company ruined by stupid.
Brown truck just said no more Brownells
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Old Dog
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Not convinced. A large corporation such as UPS sending out an un-signed letter, no name(s) of any supervisors, managers, corporate officers, and not from its legal department?
And what does this have to do with Brownell's?
Ghost Firearms comes up on a web search as a product line of Grid Defense, but at a different address in Daytona beach.
From its website FAQs:
If in fact, UPS is doing this stuff and the letter is legit, it's appalling. But more info required.
Should've added that the firearms industry's business is a HUGE component of UPS's business. I just can't, from a business standpoint, see them doing this.
And what does this have to do with Brownell's?
Ghost Firearms comes up on a web search as a product line of Grid Defense, but at a different address in Daytona beach.
From its website FAQs:
- Are you Ghost Firearms or Grid Defense?
If in fact, UPS is doing this stuff and the letter is legit, it's appalling. But more info required.
Should've added that the firearms industry's business is a HUGE component of UPS's business. I just can't, from a business standpoint, see them doing this.
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N555
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What does it have to do with Brownells? You obviously didn't watch more than the first minute. Brownells got a letter from UPS too, terminating their account.
So brownells is going to stop using the cheapest shipper because of a fake letter?
You don't think brownells tried to contact them and work things out?
I would think if I was UPS and a big company like Brownells suddenly stopped using my company out of no where for no apparent reason, say FedEx was being sneaky and sent them a fake ups letter at least a UPS regional something or other, fairly high up would contact them probably the next day or 2 and ask why.
Probably what will happen is they will see a drop in revenue, board members will start breathing down some necks and next thing we see is ups be like "we didn't mean to do that" , "it was an accident ".
I have heard too many rumors for too long, that ups has been getting more and more woke.
CoalCrackerAl
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A lot of content on you tube is B.S. It's getting as bad as Facebook.
General Geoff
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Well, UPS did just recently add some troubling language to their prohibited items list:
https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/s...egulated-items/prohibited-items/firearms.page
Sure seems to fit the bill in establishing policy to reject shipment of 80% anything or any other non-serialized firearm.
CoalCrackerAl
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Shipping Methods | Brownells Help Center | Top Rated Supplier of Firearm Reloading Equipment, Supplies, and Tools - Colt
Standard is our economic shipping option. $7.00 on orders less than 1 pound, $8.00 on orders greater than 1 pound (free for Edge members). Expect 5-7 Business days for delivery. Standard service ships with USPS final delivery and must be shipped to a valid Postal Address. Delivery methods may include USPS, SmartPost, SurePost, or UPS Mail Innovations. This option is unavailable for FFL items, Limited Quantity (LQ), aerosol and hazardous products that have carrier restrictions.
Standard is our economic shipping option. $7.00 on orders less than 1 pound, $8.00 on orders greater than 1 pound (free for Edge members). Expect 5-7 Business days for delivery. Standard service ships with USPS final delivery and must be shipped to a valid Postal Address. Delivery methods may include USPS, SmartPost, SurePost, or UPS Mail Innovations. This option is unavailable for FFL items, Limited Quantity (LQ), aerosol and hazardous products that have carrier restrictions.
Hearsay within hearsay based upon an unattested, unsigned letter. G&G is merely "reporting" on another "report" by TTAG, with no validation of the letter or its originator. Timed to get maximum exposure while everyone is out of the office. Please don't react to these shenanigans until we have all the facts.
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You just won the internet today.
And I might add, that, as valuable as Jerrod's work is, he has always been one to use fear, anger, and hyperbole in his reporting. I still subscribe and watch, but I much prefer Braden over at Langley Arms.
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I'm not so sure; I'd be interested in seeing some numbers to support that. It's not important enough for me to go find those numbers, but, in comparison to the totality of all the packages UPS carries every day, your claim seems dubious.
Old Dog
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Actually, I did, but couldn't listen to his blathering up to the 3:50 minute mark where he stated, with no documentation or source, that Brownell's "got the same letter." In fact, I have a UPS tracking for an order I just put it...
Yeah, why would UPS want a piece of the $70 billion or so in firearms industry business annually? https://www.nssf.org/government-relations/impact/
Zerodefect
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They only banned 80% stuff going to states of corruption.
I think you can still order beef jerky from Brownells and have it shipped UPS.
That being said, I dont like how that letter is written.
I think you can still order beef jerky from Brownells and have it shipped UPS.
That being said, I dont like how that letter is written.
DustyGmt
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Maybe it would be worth going on a site like PSA or BCM and put an upper in your cart, go to check out and see what the shipping options are. Any uppers I've ever purchased were shipped UPS. If there is any validity to this UPS won't be an option at checkout. But the statement ^^^^ copied from UPS above seems pretty clear....
DustyGmt
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The way it was written seems to implicate stuff like uppers too, no?
Zerodefect
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Yep. Seems a bit knee jerky and woke to me.
Typical youtube, a five minute video for three or four sentences of info. And it's basically saying 80% stuff is the same as magazine size limits? Nothing new. Try to order 30 round mags to be delivered in a state with mag limits. Gets flagged right away. Gunbroker has a "compliance fee" which I assume is used to pay someone to verify sales are complying with individual state laws.
badkarmamib
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Not a bad idea, but I am not sure how much it will PROVE. I just tried that putting all parts minus a lower in carts, and:
PSA: inconclusive, everything is free shipping, so no way to designate carrier
Primary Arms: USPS or Fedex only
Aim Surplus: USPS or UPS only
Of course, I am in VA, so if this is state-specific, I wasted my time...
Speedo66
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I'm not going to say I read all the US law chapters that UPS cited about not accepting guns or parts with no serial numbers, but guns with no serial numbers would include most .22 rifles and many inexpensive shotguns from before the law required them in 1968.
wiscoaster
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Is the Second Amendment Foundation a reliable-enough source for you doubting thomases?
https://www.saf.org/breaking-ups-cancelling-gun-dealers-accounts-destroying-packages-in-transit/
https://www.saf.org/breaking-ups-cancelling-gun-dealers-accounts-destroying-packages-in-transit/
I just read that article and it mentioned how Brownells made a statement on their Facebook page. So I went and looked on brownells.com and on the Brownells Facebook page and could not find any mention of a letter from UPS or that UPS has canceled their account. Maybe Brownells did have something on their Facebook page, but it is not there now.
wiscoaster
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I'm not on Facebook, so I couldn't check that link, however, I think we're all well aware of how reliable Facebook is as a repository of accurate posting history.
Reading the UPS Regs as cited above, I saw nothing more than compliance w/ standard legal reqm'ts.
Someone read more into it than I saw ?
Someone read more into it than I saw ?
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