New to reloading, need help with .32 ACP

Rex B

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Hey guys, I've been accumulating some basic reloading equipment and supplies and I'm going to start in this week. First batch I want to do is 32 ACP, because I'm getting low on that round. Probably not the best choice to start with but it's what I need.

I have 200 or so rounds of once-fired brass, almost all of it Sellier & Belloit. First thing is de-priming, and already hit a snag. The primers are sealed in with a red lacquer of some kind. I'm going to soak them in acetone to solve that. But the biggest issue is the flash holes are tiny! My depriming rod is too large for it.

So my plan is to drill them out to 5/64, which is what my few other cases are. I'll push the primers out at the same time. This will be done on a metal lathe, with the cases held by a collet. Tedious job but I'll just need to do it once.

Anything wrong with that? Better ideas?

After that I'm using a Lee Classic single-stage, with RCBS die set. 71g jacketed round nose over 2.0gr of TiteGroup. I'll figure out the rest of that as I go, but any suggestions are very welcome.
 
Depending on who's dies you have the size of the primer pins are changeable. There are small flash holes on some cases like lapua Palma brass. I would not enlarge the hole unless you have to. The sealant isn't really holding the primer in, so chemical treatment is unnessary.
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Some S&B brass I’ve come across have tight pockets or crimped primers so you might need to ream them or take a chamfering tool to them. Hopefully the red goo means they’re neither under size or crimped but it’s better to check than crunch a primer.
 
Get a Lee universal decapping die, it's never given me an issue with any .32 brass I've used. Also, they sell spare rods cheap that you can modify if you ever run into odd brass again with small flash holes or happen to break the pin.

Also, you don't have to use a press to decap, you can use a metal rod and a hammer to decap for now. Just tap em out.

The laquer doesn't cause problems, but if the primers were crimped you could have issues seating a new primer in. Certain brass and primer brands just don't mix, I've got quote a few PPU cases in .357 that are very loose with Federal and CCI primers. I don't use them, but if I ever get some primers that feel tight in my other cases, they may be a good fit for that PPU brass.

As for the loading, I have found with every .32 handgun caliber that the Lee mouth flare die doesn't seat the bullets square. IDK how the RCBS will do, but the solution I found was use the Lyman M die. It doesn't allow for charging with the flare die on the press, but I assume you're not doing that anyway. Hopefully the RCBS die works for you, if it doesn't get the M die.

Titegroup is fine, but that is a very small amount of powder and I've found Titegroup can be very polarizing in some loads it works very well and others it's awful. For me, I settled on 2gr of Bullseye and in the future when I can get the powder want to try Red Dot. Load up 20 or so cases with Titegroup, you may not like the results and it would really be a drag to find out after loading 200 that they're all crap.

Once you find the right powder and a repeatable and accurate way to charge cases, loading .32 is pretty simple. One reason I stuck with Bullseye is my Lee measure throws 2 grains of it very well. I only use Berry's bullets, they're the cheapest (use to be a nickel a bullet on sale) and the velocity with .32 ACP is low enough that the plated bullets will never have issues. The lack of load variety or bullet variety has me thinking when things get back to normal I'll buy and set up a progressive press to load the .32 ACP on it.

Good luck.
 
AJC1 I'll disassemble that RCBS die and order a set of pins - thanks!

GeoDude I used a primer pocket cleaner and the small end fit the primer pocket very loosely. Too loose IMO. The large end was too big. I did not open the primers to check directly. I'll do that, thanks.

TTV2 - That Lee die looks like the ticket. I wonder if it comes with any of the Lee die sets? I have one for 380. I'll check, but at $13 it's a bargain.
As for alternatives, I actually turned up a shellholder mount to fit my drill press table. I could probably make a better pin and make that work.

I haven't got as far as charging any of them. I assume that will be a separate step from case flaring.

I went to Cabelas for Bullseye. They said they had not seen any in months, and offered TiteGroup as an alternative. They did have Berry's bullets, so I got a box each of .32 and .380. Seems like they were $31/250.
I looked for a RCBS little dandy with 0 rotor recommended in a thread on CastBoolits/ They did not have one, so I'm hoping my Lee powder measure will be OK.
What kind of issues did you see when using Titegroup - group sizes? These are going to be plinking loads, so absolute accuracy is not required. Minute-of-beer-can will do.

If this works out I'll be looking to upgrade to a progessive press. With the current shortage and expense of primers there doesn't seem to be much point.

Appreciate the help guys. I'll work on this a bit more today.
 
I have a friend who powder coats his bullets. Not yet sold on that, but considering it. I have casting equipment and lead.
I like those red plastic bullets used by Federal. Are those available separately?
 
Welcome to the wonderful, oft confusing and frustrating world of reloading. 32 ACP and Tite Group= weigh every charge. The charge "span" (min to max) is very small, in many cases less than .5 grain, so I weigh every 32 ACP charge. Learn the plunk test and don't "crimp", just deflare.

My advise to a new reloader; pay no attention to any load data you see on any forum, hear from any range rat, gun counter clerk, or gun shop guru. Get yourself a couple reloading manuals and use the data in them (some powder and bullet manufacturers have good websites for data but avoid "pet loads"type). IN good manuals there is a lot more than jst recipes, and contain a lot of good valuable info...
(If you wanna try some coated bullets before you get into powder coating, Acme sells excellent coated bullets http://www.acmebullet.com/Bullets/32CAL)
Go slow, double check everything, and most important, have fun...
 
I did some research on that Lee Decapping Die and it's #0 pin. I'll probably order it, but I'd sure like to know the diameter of that pin. Anyone got one they can measure?

So I spent the last hour or so trying to gauge the size of that S&B flash hole. Not having a set of gage pins at home. I tried different size drill bits but the hole depth wasn't enough to get a good feel for fit. Then I realized I had the ideal measuring device on the bench behind me - a Mitutoyo Toolmakers Microscope. I don't think I have used it once since I bought it. Using that I came up with .024". Interestingly these cases appear to have two smaller flash ports 180-deg apart between the mail port and the pocket wall. Is that unusual?
I'm going to try making a tool to fit the case ID with a .024" drill shank protruding just enough 3/16" approx.
 
I don't think I have used it once since I bought it. Using that I came up with .024". Interestingly these cases appear to have two smaller flash ports 180-deg apart between the mail port and the pocket wall. Is that unusual?

Are you talking about Berdan cases? They have the 2 holes - not the single center hole (Boxer). Reloading Berdan is different to Boxer.
 
What kind of issues did you see when using Titegroup - group sizes? These are going to be plinking loads, so absolute accuracy is not required. Minute-of-beer-can will do.
It's not so much a group size issue, tho it was with some bigger calibers, the reason I didn't want to run Titegroup with .32 was there was such a small amount of powder that I didn't trust it to ignite reliably. I never tried it with .32 ACP, so if you get good results let me know, it'd give me some confidence to try it in my stuff.

Pretty much all the Alliant powders have been MIA since the pandemic started. One reason I started getting more into Hodgdon powders and glad I did, otherwise I never would have gotten hooked on 700x.

As for the Lee decap pin, buy a couple extra to go with the decap die. Modify if needed.
 
Welcome to the fantastic world of reloading !

32APC works best with bullets approximately in the 70-85gr range, and because most guns are blow back operated, a "faster" pistol powder.

• I have tried the Berry 71gr product, but I greatly prefer the 78gr Polymer Coated from T&B Bullets. https://tbbullets.com/32acp-78gr-rn-polymer-coated/
• After doing target testing on 10 powders, my favorite powder is VihtaVuori N310. This is a low demand powder and you might have good luck finding it locally. The more popular big brother, N320, also gives excellent results.
• On paper Titegroup looks like it might perform well, but this powder (with its extremely narrow loading range) demands extreme precision. As was said above, it will be best to weigh each load... which will get very old very fast. A more common powder like Winchester 231 (also sold as Hodgdon HP-38) gives respectable results with half the trouble. Another suitable substitute is Accurate Arms No.2.

Hope this helps.

Here's a 10yd (30 feet) practice target with the T&B. (Obviously the rear sight needs moving)...
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Most repossess don't reload Berdan primers. They are different from the Boxer primers you have and are for sale here in the USA and not just because the brass has 2 holes instead of a center hole. If your brass only accepts Berdan primers throw them in the bad brass bucket for the recycler.

I highly recommend you start with a larger case just to learn the procedure. The 38/357 would be a better idea then go to the .32 ACP. (if you have the correct brass) like said above, buy a manual or 2 and read the information in the front of the book, not just the load data. Lyman #51 is a good start and then pick another. (Nosler, Hornady, Speer, Sierra and others depending on what bullets you intend to use most)
 
Starline is allowing 32 auto for backorder at the moment. I suggest you put in an order while you still can. Maybe pick a brand of brass you like and purchase rounds if you don't want to wait. I don't buy bullets anymore so take the advice of others on what works. Reloading 32 auto is not too difficult and I find loading 50 rounds particularly more satisfying than the larger cartridges. Rfwobbly's 78 gr recommendation looks like a carbon copy for what I use, the RCBS 32-77RN (which weighs right at 78 gr with my alloy and lube).
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These aren't Berdan primers. There is a central flash hole about /060 diameter. It appears there are two very small additional vents, presumably to aid ignition. I ran them on the tumbler last night so I whould be able to see them better today.

I realize 38 spl is a lot easier to load, and I'll do that next. Right now .32ACP is what I am lowest on, so I went to Cabelas and bought what they recommended. These are just plinking rounds, not defensive or target. Next batch I may make different choices. The deal-killer on .32 ACP might just depend on how fiddly it will be to get the 2gr charge right.

UPDATE: after trying several decapping alternatives, I cut the shank off a 1/16" drill and used that in place of the original decapping pin. I set up the die and ran the whole batch last night. I did notice the case looked slightly bulged afterward, although they still measure within spec. Is this due to a die setting? I don't want to prime these until I figure this out.
 
Well Rex as others have stated. You sure picked the hard way to get into reloading!
There is no way any brass needs to have the primer hole "enlarged" It worked the first time right?.
32 acp brass is fragile and if not lined up correctly in the press, you are gonna fold spindle and mutilate many of them. Then if you actually get to shoot them, you are gonna lose 50% of them into another dimension.

Even if you need them or are low on them , try something easier, 38 special, 45 acp.

But to each their own
 
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.32 is one of those cartridges where, as they say, 'considerable variations in groove diameter may be encountered'. Magtec projectiles are .311, for example, and their cases are sized accordingly. My die (Redding) will not size these cases down to hold .308 projectiles firmly enough to stay put.
In the past I had a Beretta M1935 and getting my reloads to even chamber was difficult, the chamber was so tight - I think I selected one particular brand of cases (cant be sure which one after all these years, might have been Winchester) and stuck with those. Irritating when I had clambered over heaps of .380 ones to find a .32, just so I could use the same reloads as with my Colt.
 
A phenomenon we are seeing in recent years is lead-free priming cartridges, and they seem to like doing very small flash holes for these.
 
32 auto is one of my favorites and also the most challenging to learn to load successfully. One thing is for sure, once mastered you won't have a problems with all other calibers. I cast 4 different Lee bullets with 3 being from modified molds to drop around a 73 grain bullet. A few problems I ran into, which have already been mentioned above, are cases getting crunched by the resizing die if the case mouth is just a little out of round, seating dies not properly aligning bullets and low neck tension on the bullet. A Lee U-die helps, as does a properly sized expander plug for the Lee universal expander die. I made custom seating stems for each bullet I cast which seats the bullets perfectly straight. I also made a tapered hand tool to straighten out the case mouths before sizing. As for powder charge, I found it was easier and more accurate to simply make several dippers from 22lr cases.




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For reference, these cases after decapping measure .355-.357. I dropped them into the chamber of my P32 barrel as a quick check. The few that did not fall in and out by gravity alone I ran through the die again and they passed.

I did not use any sort of lubricant on these as I decapped & sized. Was that a rookie mistake?

As for the flash holes, I did maybe 20 using the .075" decapper punch that came in the RCBS set for .32 ACP. That worked fine on the brass that was not S&B. It did enlarge a few S&Bs to that size before I stopped to investigate. Once I switched out the pin to a .062 that went through the S&B cleanly.

I presume .075 then must the the standard for most .32ACP flash holes, and the S&B are the outliers. I consider the few S&Bs with .075 holes to be usable unless someone can talk me out of them.

mstreddy I'll see if I can get some decent photos. My iPhone doesn't do well with macro, but I'll see what I can do.
 
I've drilled 9mm flash holes out to the 'normal' size before now, on the pillar drill with a wooden 'shellholder' to keep them in position, setting the stop to down only so far. Only has to be done once.
 
Rex B, welcome to handloading and especially 32acp. I have a number of 32acp vintage firearms that I shoot and reload. Regarding powder, I recommend Win 231 or HP-38 as that is what I use and what works for me. Berry's bullets are decent as are a number of other brands. I'm just a plinker so as long as my autoloaders cycle and my rounds are fairly accurate, I am happy. All of my RCBS or Hornady decapping die rods are .070" in diameter (from 30-06, 30 carbine, 380acp, 9mm and 32acp). Regardless of the variety of brass that I handload including PPU and S&B, I have had no problems decapping used brass. BTW, I do decap with my press. I have a Lyman case hand trimming tool that I can clean out the primer pockets if necessary, but I have never had a problem such as you are describing. Get the correct diameter rods. I would advise carefully reviewing how you have your dies adjusted to ensure there is no problem there. Keep us posted on your progress. Lastly, as other have advised you must carefully weigh your powder as min to max is very narrow. Win 231 is more "forgiving" than some other powders in these small calibers.
 
.32 is one of those cartridges where, as they say, 'considerable variations in groove diameter may be encountered'. Magtec projectiles are .311, for example, and their cases are sized accordingly. My die (Redding) will not size these cases down to hold .308 projectiles firmly enough to stay put.
I've shot .308 diameter Speer "Plinker" bullets meant for .30 Carbine in .327 and while they had no neck tension, I shot them one at a time to see how they'd shoot. The result was pretty good, I hit the target each time. The diameter difference for .32 ACP tho is yet another reason I like the Berry's bullets as if there are still some European .32 pistols out there using a .308 groove diameter, the thin plating on the bullets is a lot less stress on the gun to squeeze down than FMJ bullets are.

Back to the .308" bullets, the lack of tension is the reason I'm going to be buying a Lee undersize sizing die and Lyman M Die for .30 Carbine. Can't expect a flaring die meant for .312" to work with .308" bullets. Also, with an undersize sizing die, you don't need to do a full length resize of the brass with that die, only the portion where the bullet is seated.
 
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