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tarosean said:
reread @dogtown tom post

Those must be your CA prices.. Holy crap..
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If you can find one, a lot of the lower priced stuff is scarce. Tax adds at least 10 percent to the cost, state fees and dealer fees another $50 -$75 bucks depending on the dealer, add a box of ammo for $25 bucks, etc.

A $200 gun hits $300+ real fast, my new $209.00 Wrangler birdshead did that to me a few weeks ago. (I don’t have the paperwork with me to quote the exact final tally but it was more than I thought it would be. Heck, I still haven’t had time to shoot it yet.) :(.

Stay safe.
 
I know one local FFL who will not do an internet transfer on any make and model of gun that you could have bought over the counter from them.
 
Riomouse911 said:
If you can find one, a lot of the lower priced stuff is scarce. Tax adds at least 10 percent to the cost, state fees and dealer fees another $50 -$75 bucks depending on the dealer,
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Tax is a given no matter the state. However, whats the 50-75 if you are not transferring it?
 
Shop's decision.

For myself, $25 is $25. Transfer is paperwork and 100% profit.

I, too, can see refusal to STOCK or take a trade-in on some brands or not transfer a new gun on one I stocked or could get.

Everyone has their own operating rules.

One shop refuses, find another.
 
tarosean said:
Tax is a given no matter the state. However, whats the 50-75 if you are not transferring it?
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Ca DOJ DROS (Dealer Record Of Sale) fees to register the gun are $37.50 thereabouts, and some dealers can sometimes tack on transaction fees for the paperwork or whatever. I guess since you have paperwork to deal with on the day you buy the gun and again on the day you pick it up after approval (10-day wait). Its almost like having to buy the gun twice.

Most of my purchases are transfers or new-gun internet sales so I get hit with not just the gun, tax, and shipping cost, but the state fees and dealer internet transaction transfer fees as well.

Stay safe.
 
While there might well be shops that do not buy Jimenez, Jennings, or the like (Ravens came 10 to a box, if memory serves)--there is also the problem that more than a few online fora are as full of hooey as an incumbent politician running unopposed.

So, there's two question here.
Am I concerned about what flamewarriors on other sites are bloviating over?
Are there brands of firearms that are just "too cheap" to sell retail?

On the former, yeah, not a whit given.
On the latter, there's a "maybe" there; but I'm not sure if it's worth dithering over, as it will get into the weeds of subjective opinions of low-priced items, rather than objective ones.
 
CapnMac said:
While there might well be shops that do not buy Jimenez, Jennings, or the like (Ravens came 10 to a box, if memory serves)--there is also the problem that more than a few online fora are as full of hooey as an incumbent politician running unopposed.

So, there's two question here.
Am I concerned about what flamewarriors on other sites are bloviating over?
Are there brands of firearms that are just "too cheap" to sell retail?

On the former, yeah, not a whit given.
On the latter, there's a "maybe" there; but I'm not sure if it's worth dithering over, as it will get into the weeds of subjective opinions of low-priced items, rather than objective ones.
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I would buy a 10 pack of Raven .25’s!!! that would make the best wall art!
 
I can't believe some of the stories I hear of ridiculous FFL's not wanting to do transfers. Here in Idaho there are a multitude of FFL's that will do a transfer for $20, no matter what firearm or where it is purchased from. Sometimes gun owners (FFL dealers) are our own worst enemy. Why not collect the $20 for the 5-10 minutes of a store clerks time to inventory the gun coming in and do the 4473. Just smacks of curmudgeonism.
 
BreechFace said:
Why not collect the $20 for the 5-10 minutes of a store clerks time to inventory the gun coming in and do the 4473.
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Well, in some states, they have to go through the State Bureau of Investigation, having to hold arms through waiting periods, needing to check permits and all manner of rigamarole.
I can't imagine it's at all easy to be an FFL in NY, MA, NJ, or especially CA.
 
The LGS near me price gouges at every turn. I've done three transfers there but no more. I do appreciate he has to make money to stay in business but dang.
 
I would say that some of this is done to purposely make a business unappealing to some customers. A business with mostly Hi-points, Jennings, etc. for sale is completely different from one with Smiths, Walthers, Berettas, etc. for sale. Whether or not everybody thinks it should be that way, some businesses don't care who walks through the door and some are more particular about their preferences. You're naive if you don't believe that.
 
Seedy Character said:
Shop's decision.

For myself, $25 is $25. Transfer is paperwork and 100% profit.
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Certainly not 100% profit…but it is revenue

Transfer is administrative and time for the FFL. The license, the insurance, their time, their service is all a cost/expense. The revenue lost because you choose to buy online is also a consideration.

Consider the fees you pay in licensing and taxes to the state and Fed. They are “non profit” orgs but they charge for services…they are not profits (although they are still revenues)
 
bubbaturbo said:
I would say that some of this is done to purposely make a business unappealing to some customers. A business with mostly Hi-points, Jennings, etc. for sale is completely different from one with Smiths, Walthers, Berettas, etc. for sale. Whether or not everybody thinks it should be that way, some businesses don't care who walks through the door and some are more particular about their preferences. You're naive if you don't believe that.
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IDK man, I buy all types of guns. From $$$$ to cheap $100 .25 ACP that can shoot more that 2 rounds without jamming. My favorite gun shop was ED’s in Southern Pines. He had high end everything & very low price gats.
 
I can see not selling a certain brand because of quality issues or reliability. Not doing transfers I don't understand. Who cares, it's not the LGS's problem.

A lot of gun store owners are like that guy on Joe Dirt selling fireworks. All he had was snakes and sparklers because that's what he liked. Our shop used to charge $50 for transfers because it was thought that the shop couldnt compete with the internet prices. We did 3 or 4 transfers a year. I told him to work WITH the internet. Drop our transfer fees to $20. It will get people in the door. They still need accessories, targets, ammo, etc. We now do 3-4 hundred transfers a year and it brings people, and potential customers in the door.
 
Shops do transfers as a convenience for customers not for profit. The transfer process is much more labor intensive than filling out a 4473 and with the average charge for transfers around $25 the LGS is lucky to break even.
 
Cayle said:
I can see not selling a certain brand because of quality issues or reliability. Not doing transfers I don't understand. Who cares, it's not the LGS's problem.

A lot of gun store owners are like that guy on Joe Dirt selling fireworks. All he had was snakes and sparklers because that's what he liked. Our shop used to charge $50 for transfers because it was thought that the shop couldnt compete with the internet prices. We did 3 or 4 transfers a year. I told him to work WITH the internet. Drop our transfer fees to $20. It will get people in the door. They still need accessories, targets, ammo, etc. We now do 3-4 hundred transfers a year and it brings people, and potential customers in the door.
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if there was a gun shop that did $20 transfers, I would shop there! Mags, ammo, components,
 
Seedy Character said:
.....Transfer is paperwork and 100% profit....
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So, let me get this straight, you don't pay for:
office supplies
computer
phone/fax
internet access
alarm system
insurance on your inventory and transfer customer inventory
general liability insurance
utilities, water, gas, electric
And above all else..............your time.

I do 2000+ Title I transfers a year, I guarantee you it isn't "100% profit". Either you don't understand the term or your math skills suck.
 
Just as a matter of courtesy, I would not ask FLD to "transfer" a mail-order gun if he had one in stock or could even get one readily.
I have only bought such a pig in a poke once and it worked out well, but I have seen so many scary stories that I am reluctant to buy anything now.
 
Jimbo80 said:
Shops do transfers as a convenience for customers not for profit. The transfer process is much more labor intensive than filling out a 4473 and with the average charge for transfers around $25 the LGS is lucky to break even.
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<------does transfers because I can and do earn a profit.

Local gun stores in my area charge $35-50 for a transfer and are aggravated because the gun wasn't bought from them. They charge extra if they have that model in stock. Their cockeyed business policy sends 2000 transfers a year to my dining room table. Thats 2000 transfers and the corresponding foot traffic in their store that they'll never see.
A brick and mortar gun store that doesn't want to do transfers or charges more than $20........is stupid. That $20 may be more than the 5% margin he'll earn on the sale of a gun from his inventory. What that LGS doesn't understand is GET PEOPLE IN YOUR STORE. The profit margins on accessories is much better than new firearms. It allows the opportunity to browse the used guns, consignment guns, holsters, optics, have gunsmithing done, etc. Its a very shortsighted view of the business.
 
dogtown tom said:
So, let me get this straight, you don't pay for:
office supplies
computer
phone/fax
internet access
alarm system
insurance on your inventory and transfer customer inventory
general liability insurance
utilities, water, gas, electric
And above all else..............your time.

I do 2000+ Title I transfers a year, I guarantee you it isn't "100% profit". Either you don't understand the term or your math skills suck.
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Expense is apart of business that a gun shop already has to have. If I was a FFL, I would computerize it (like most shop I been to) and my employees would only have to spend 5 minutes with the NIC. Let the computer and customer work for you!!! I would also do it for $20 and have ready to grab high profit items next to the NIC computer
 
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