Buddy is selling this Sig Cross 308. Thoughts?

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What are your opinions on this for a long range precision rifle? My buddy is selling his and its practically brand new.

Either that or it's the Savage precision 10/110

As always. Thanks.
 

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I have one in 6.5 Creedmoor and really like it. Its very light and is marketed as a "cross" between a hunting and target rifle. I put a pretty heavy brake on mine to soak up the moderate recoil of the 18" 6.5 CR. I have considered getting the .308 version but have been hesitant because I worried the 16" barrel on such a light rifle might give a lot of blast and recoil. But folks I've asked who have one seem to really like theirs in .308.

If I were going to use it primarily for target shooting from a bench I'd probably pick something else, more along the lines of that Savage 110 Precision. But I think the Cross is a pretty versatile rifle if you hunt also. As long as you install an effective brake it should do fine.
I like the folding stock, though it takes a little practice to get proficient folding it. It definitely was designed to take advantage of those who like AR ergonomics and Sig cuts a few corners using polymer wherever possible to save weight.

I'd see if you could handle it a bit and shoot it to see how you like the feel before you commit to buying it. My 6.5 CR had a pretty thin barrel and heats up fairly quickly so long strings of shots are not the Cross's strong suit. But I think it is an innovative rifle and plan to go ahead and get a .308 model when I find one at the right price.

There are also already replacement barrels available for it such as a 24" 6 CR target barrel and Sig has plans to release more long range version in the future. The barrel is easy to swap out which is another bonus if you are a person who likes to do a bit of his own gunsmithing. If the price was right, I'd definitely consider it. There were recalls on some of the earlier models, so you might to check out what those were for an if it affected his model.

I think the average street price is about $1500-1599. A used model should be a few hundred less, in my opinion.
 
Looks like a good "Cross" between PRS and a hunting rifle.

What is your idea of long range shooting, as in, how far ? I ask because a 16" barrel might limit the distances because of milder 16" velocities.

Realistically, would you be hunting with it ( and what ranges ) or more of a bench rifle setup.

If there is at least a 20" add on barrel released in 308 / 6.5CM , I would be far more interested. Having a 16" 308 is handy, and having a 20" 308 for distance , with a barrel change, would be even better.

I like modular firearms.

So I guess, it depends on what you are going to use it for.
 
Looks like a good "Cross" between PRS and a hunting rifle.

What is your idea of long range shooting, as in, how far ? I ask because a 16" barrel might limit the distances because of milder 16" velocities.

Realistically, would you be hunting with it ( and what ranges ) or more of a bench rifle setup.

If there is at least a 20" add on barrel released in 308 / 6.5CM , I would be far more interested. Having a 16" 308 is handy, and having a 20" 308 for distance , with a barrel change, would be even better.

I like modular firearms.

So I guess, it depends on what you are going to use it for.
The only replacement barrels I see so far are pretty pricey. I know I also saw a 24" 6CR carbon barrel somewhere but can't find the link.
https://schnees.com/sig-cross-carbon-barrel-6-5-creedmoor-20-7-5-twist-sendero/
https://schnees.com/sig-cross-carbon-barrel-308-win-20-10-twist-sendero/

These guys seem to offer just about any caliber you would want for the Cross. Again, the sticking point for me is the price.
https://straightjacketarmory.com/product/sig-cross-pre-fit-barrel-pre-order/
 
Agree with bfoosh006 . Rule of thumb 20" min. for 1K yd. 18" 800 Yd. 16" 500-600 Yd. is stretching it IMO .
So depends on what your intentions relating to distances are .

I should think a Savage with 22" barrel in Tactical built in 20 moa pic rail might be more suited for Your initial stated purpose .

The Hunter is : Stay prepared in the field with the Savage Arms 10/110 Hunter 308 WIN 22 in Centerfire Rifle. This 308 WIN caliber rifle boasts a bolt action with a 4-round capacity. The 22-inch carbon steel barrel features a button-rifled design and a matte finish. The tough synthetic AccuStock™ has a soft grip overmold fore-end and pistol grip, and the AccuFit™ system allows the user to adjust comb height and length-of-pull.
 
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The only replacement barrels I see so far are pretty pricey. I know I also saw a 24" 6CR carbon barrel somewhere but can't find the link.
https://schnees.com/sig-cross-carbon-barrel-6-5-creedmoor-20-7-5-twist-sendero/
https://schnees.com/sig-cross-carbon-barrel-308-win-20-10-twist-sendero/

These guys seem to offer just about any caliber you would want for the Cross. Again, the sticking point for me is the price.
https://straightjacketarmory.com/product/sig-cross-pre-fit-barrel-pre-order/
Pick an action that Proof makes pre-fits for for cheaper replacement barrels. An action wrench and a barrel vice are all you need then.
 

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I bought one of the first Cross rifles I could find and have played with it quite bit. Mine was originally in .308, I worked up one load, shot an antelope and decided I wanted the 6.5 instead. Lucky I found a guy with a 6.5 that wanted to swap barrels, so we did, the rifle has been an uncommonly good shooter with both barrels:

My .308 hunting load worked up hastily before hunting season.
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Unlucky antelope @ ~260 yds
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6.5 loads with various bullets
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Two different loads at 300yd with basic 10x hunting scope.
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I really like my Cross as a general purpose/hunting rifle, but it's certainly not what I would pick for a dedicated long range PRS rifle. Horses for courses, a Zermatt Origin or similar with a prefit, trigger tech and chassis would be a much better approach for a PRS or range rifle.

That said, I just put an Athlon Helos BTR 2-12 scope on my Cross as kind of a crossover scope because I've got an itch to see how it does stretched out on the 750, 1,000 and 1,250 yd lines at my range.
 

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A 16” .308 is going to have a lot of muzzle blast not to mention a significant loss of velocity and bullet performance.
 
As others have mentioned, a 16" barrel in a 308 rifle is not ideal for long range.

I have a Winchester M70 Featherweight compact chambered in 308 Win. It has a 20" barrel. For a handy truck rifle, it's great. I don't hesitate to use it for various Texas game animals, which I usually take inside of 250 yards. The recoil and muzzle blast are not that big of a factor to me. I can't really tell the difference between that rifle and a Browning A-Bolt 308 I have with a 22" barrel.
 
I have several Cross and think very well of them. The action is smooth, the bolt throw is fast and positive from the shoulder, and I've had zero feed issues using a variety of magazines. I rebarreled one, using a Carbon6 CF 22" barrel, in 257 Roberts - it's a freakin' hoot. Barrel swaps are super easy - if you can swap a Savage barrel, then you have the skills to swap a Cross barrel.

If I could have only one bolt gun and had to sell every other one, it would be the Cross in 257 Roberts.
 
@MR WICK - I’m not one to cast stones at anyone for using weird stuff for various tasks. I have a 15” 6 creed pistol sporting a high magnification rifle scope, meant only for long range shooting and hunting. I have a rifle scope on a 357/44 B&D wildcat revolver meant for shooting out past 200yrds, and I shoot 22LR pistols out as far as 400-500yrds. So I can’t cast a stone at anyone using the “wrong gear” simply because they want to out of silly whimsy. But most of your threads seem focused - in their inceptions - on developing skill and accomplishment, such using the “wrong gear” will only slow you down.

For what you’ve described in all of your threads as your goals, any of these chassis rifles are the wrong gear. Any cheap, entry level model is the wrong gear. A 308win is far enough from being the right gear that it’s pretty damned close to wrong too (definitely not as wrong as 300wm).

Ultimately, it’s always a subjective choice in the end - and it’s fine if your next thread is a photo of your new rifle saying “I know it’s not a conventional choice for LR, but I’m ok with the concessions…” but if you really want a concession free option to really excel in what you’ve described as your goals, these options you’ve been bringing up aren’t the right rabbits to chase.
 
Buddy of mine got on at 1 mile with his 6.5CM Cross. They are very nice. If all you will do is LR (or ELR) you will want to optimize for weight etc but it is a very nice gun, and being able to pack it, etc may be convenient, esp if you don't have lots of bolt guns. A very good do-all rifle really and near the top of my list if the house burned down and I had to replace everything.
 
It probably bears mentioning that the relatively short barrel length starts to make sense when you put a can on the muzzle.

Only when your focus is carrying the rifle in the woods, and you have no concern for muzzle velocity, as is the burden we have to consider when asking a 308win to shoot farther than it would hang onto supersonic speeds when fired from a 16” barrel.
 
Absolutely - the rifle is clearly intended as a packable hunting rifle, and sacrifices MV for OAL. I'm just pointing out the intended niche, and it's not long-range precision shooting.
 
Absolutely - the rifle is clearly intended as a packable hunting rifle, and sacrifices MV for OAL. I'm just pointing out the intended niche, and it's not long-range precision shooting.

His desired niche is long range precision shooting.
 
Cans or suppressors are way way overrated ,IMO . They DON'T drop enough decibels to warrant their cost . Take a typical .223 aka 5.56x45mm Normal is 155 db ,a quality suppressor knocks 20-30 db off ; Still over 120 db and that's hearing damage .

Have a Close Friend who's Mr. Sound and we did some experimenting . My Rifles and pistols ranged from 126-166 db. ,so Top of the Line Rifle suppressor knocked off 30.6 db !. Not worth the money they cost ,is MY take on them .
 
Cans or suppressors are way way overrated ,IMO . They DON'T drop enough decibels to warrant their cost . Take a typical .223 aka 5.56x45mm Normal is 155 db ,a quality suppressor knocks 20-30 db off ; Still over 120 db and that's hearing damage .

Have a Close Friend who's Mr. Sound and we did some experimenting . My Rifles and pistols ranged from 126-166 db. ,so Top of the Line Rifle suppressor knocked off 30.6 db !. Not worth the money they cost ,is MY take on them .

Not really on topic for this thread. Regardless, you do you; I have several cans, use them on almost everything and they are totally worth it, underrated even. 30 db on the logarithmic scale is an enormous % reduction in sound pressure level, and hearing damage isn't a binary on/off switch.
 
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