ATF going door to door

medalguy said:

I would like to know how many times these checks have turned up guns that are no longer in the possession of the purchaser, and what happened then. What can ATF do? I can buy a gun and if I don't like it I'm free to dispose of it. What then?

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If a buyer/transferee has a history of buying multiple firearms and reselling them, he may be engaging in the business of dealing in firearms. Doing so without an FFL is a felony.

Understand that ATF isn't visiting buyers years after the transaction to see if they are still in possession, but almost always within a couple of weeks. This happens when the NTC flags a buyer because they have had several multiple sales reports in a short period.

There is no minimum number of firearms that determines if someone is engaging in the business of dealing in firearms. It is the totality of the circumstances. You sell thirty guns from your personal collection? Thats not dealing. But buy five guns, sell them, buy five more........thats the repetitive buying and selling that ATF is looking for as an indication that you may be trafficking or dealing in firearms.

Good Ol' Boy said:

The NFA and GCA are unconstitutional so I'm not sure why you're bringing those up...

I am NOT advocating ANYTHING, just stating that unconstitutional "laws" aren't laws.
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You tell that to the Supreme Court.

dogtown tom said:

If a buyer/transferee has a history of buying multiple firearms and reselling them

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How do they know one is selling them?

If they got a warrant, they would be knocking.

So… DO NOT ANSWER YOUR DOOR. If they keep bugging you. Tell them to **** your property. That don’t work, call the COPs

I wonder how many doors these agents bang on in the South Side of Chicago? My guess would be zero.

Our resident FFL (hint: has the word "dog" in his screenname) seems to skip the fact that not every state's firearms sales are tracked, or not tracked, like in his home state, Texas. In my state, for example, NICS isn't used for handguns and semi-automatic rifles -- the background checks go through one's local law enforcement agency, and the state now has a form to record all purchases of such. Trust me on this; in many states, many law enforcement agencies have the capability for officers in the field to get an up-to-date list of all firearms that one has purchased through licensed dealers. (Whether one still owns all the firearms is another issue.)

Anyway, he also disagrees with me that a law enforcement agency showing up on one's doorstep asking to view legally-acquired personal property is NOT a search. For the record, a search is any intrusion by the government into any space where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Here's what we call a clue: that'd be one's home. Should you comply with the request(s), it becomes a consensual search. Wanna know how I know all this stuff?

jmorris said:

How do they know one is selling them?

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As a guess: because they show up in the hands of someone else at a crime scene. Or laying beside a dead guy.

Good Ol' Boy said:

unconstitutional "laws" aren't laws.

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Tell that to a bunch of guys rotting in prison. Your views on the law don’t seem to be supported by the people running the courts and the prisons.