What is the untrue gun myth that irritates you the most

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Watch this video, it might change your thought of those.

Guy buys multiple guns and ATF and State trooper show up to "check" the firearms. With 2 separate sheets of paper for 2 different transactions.

Yup. And not only with that particular agency either. Big data in general. Not just limited to those ATF forms. If something was bought with a credit card or some other digital method, it’s in a database. It doesn’t matter that it’s called a registry, or whether a “dedicated” registry exists, the information is there for the taking by just about any .gov entity that wants it.

Big Data.

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1 Gun show loophole
Here you don't have to fill out a form like you would for a dealer. Plenty of loophole if you are against private commerce.

2 the Form 4473 registers your firearm
Sure it does, it is just retained by the dealer, subject to inspection by feds.

3 ATF has a database of all your guns and all your information
4 the FBI has a database of all your guns and all your information
The Internet Generation thinks that just because it is not all on a central computer that what is on paper doesn't count.

5 there is a family exemption to federal laws on the interstate transfer of firearms
Sure there is, you just have to die first.

6 ATF can walk into a home based dealers home anytime they want to do a warrantless search
They are supposed to make an appointment and only do so many.

7 Nobody needs a silencer
Well, I don't but hey you may need a hobby.

8 The Clinton administration prohibited kitchen table dealers
Prohibited, no; but they sure closed down a lot of them.

9 FFLs get huge discounts on firearms
Nope. That is why they make their money on ammo, accessories, and range rental, if so equipped.

10 The Class 3 license
Just nomenclature, there is a specific credentials under that misnomer.

11 That you can convert a semiautomatic firearm to fully semiautomatic firearm.
12 Shoulder things that go up are a feature of assault weapons
Just because some antis are ignorant does not mean that they do not have knowledgeable minions.

13 Nobody hunts with a 30 round magazine
Not around here you don't, not legal under state game law.

14 Nobody hunts with a weapon of war
Apart from the made up scare name, of course they do. Not as many army surplus rifles in the woods as there used to be, though. They won't shoot MOA "all day" as required to kill a deer at 50 yards.

15 Weapon of war
Excepting as a made up scare name, what are the 1903 Springfield and 1911 Colt in the next room? I call them army surplus.

16 Sniper rifle
I bet I could have one from my next internet order.

19 Having a Texas LTC means you don't have to fill out the Form 4473
Nope, just that you don't have to wait on the background check. We had that for a while until it came to light that one county sheriff was not doing a background check on permits and the feds took it away.

20 NFA firearms are "hard to get"
Well, a NEW full auto is about impossible. The rest are just very expensive. The non MG sorts just tie you up in paperwork and taxes.

21 Glock 18's are impossible to control, fire or shoot accurately
Not until you turn the lever.

22 You sell more than X firearms you are considered a dealer and need an FFL.
That's the problem, they won't give an objective definition.

23 Women buy pink/teal/rose colored pistols
I did used to shoot with a lady whose Glock, holster, and IDPA vest were all purple.

26 S&W "Military & Police" models are intended only for the military and police
Well, the magazines were, 1994-2004.

27 Only US Citizens can legally possess a firearm
Ought to be so.

28 It's a "suppressor", not a "silencer"
Hey, it is like "magazine" vs "clip" you have to use the current revision of the jargon.

29 Gun barrels need cleaning after every use
My .38-55 and .40-65 sure do.

30 Stippling your Glock grip enhances its value.
Some think it increases the operational value, certainly not the resale value... unless you are a name customizer.

31 Your gun dealer really wants to see your carry gun
NOOOO

32 The best gun for a woman is a revolver
There is more wrapped up in that line than is immediately obvious.

36 Having a gun in an unpopular or obscure caliber is ideal for SHTF because that all that will be on the shelf.
I read several accounts of that during the depth of the panicdemic.

45 The "contiguous state" restriction means you can only acquire long guns from the states that border your own
I remember when it did. I also remember when ammunition had to be signed for.

46 Out of state sellers are not required to collect sales tax on your states behalf
Heck, I am paying sales tax to Amazon for digital Kindle books.

49 A Bill of Sale offers protection for the seller
It might not be much, but most times it is all you can get, short of running the deal through a dealer like the politicians want you to.

50 Donald Trump is a Second Amendment advocate
I do not know any government employee who attaches the importance to firearms owners' rights that we here do.
 
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Nobody needs an "Assault rifle" and " They are weapons of war" I have shut down this argument cold turkey, many times, with this:

You are an attractive young lady your husband is not at home. The next door neighbors, who have in the past made it clear what they would like to do to you, are drunk and they decided to pay you a social visit. There are a lot of them and you live in the country so a police response is minutes away. (if not longer) You realize that you will have to defend yourself. With a gun.

Would you want that gun to be a D/B shotgun or an AK-47 with a large cap mag? Eh?
 
I do not know any government employee who attaches the importance to firearms owners' rights that we here do.
uhhh.. what does this mean? What's it have to do with Trump? What's "we do here" have to do with government employees? " think you meant to say "more than" after the word "rights" :confused:
 
Hard to narrow down... pretty much anything put out by hollywood, the media, or politicians. They all turn myths into downright lies.
 
That you don't need to aim a shotgun -- just point it in the general direction of the target and it will obliterate anything in a 180° arc.

If that were even close to true, clay games like trap, skeet, and sporting clays would be so easy that they wouldn't be any fun.


Swede Larson: "The fellow who had it before, he couldn't see too good, so he just shoot where he hear a noise."
Mississippi: "What happened to him?"
Larson: "He got in a fight in a saloon. The piano player, he make so much noise, he couldn't hear the other fellow, so he just shoot the piano player... and they hung him."


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1 Gun show loophole
Here you don't have to fill out a form like you would for a dealer. Plenty of loophole if you are against private commerce.
Umm, Jim thats why its a MYTH.....nothing is different about federal law just because it occurs at a gun show. They call it a "loophole" because it demonizes gun shows and nondealer sales.

2 the Form 4473 registers your firearm
Sure it does, it is just retained by the dealer, subject to inspection by feds.
Nonsense. Its the record of sale/transfer from a dealer. Being that there is no federal firearms registration you are free to sell/trade/ give that firearm to someone the next day with no notice to anyone. "Registration prohibits the transfer to another person unless the state records and permits the transfer.

3 ATF has a database of all your guns and all your information
4 the FBI has a database of all your guns and all your information
The Internet Generation thinks that just because it is not all on a central computer that what is on paper doesn't count.
Well no. I'm 65 and know that the FBI is only told handgun/long gun/other......all they do is the background check on a buyer. They don't even know what brand or caliber that person is picking up. Not even how many guns. Tell us what kind of database has no firearm information?
And again, ATF doesn't have a database of what firearms anyone currently owns, only a record of what was ONCE transferred to a buyer at on one day.


5 there is a family exemption to federal laws on the interstate transfer of firearms
Sure there is, you just have to die first.
Well, no.
Death by itself does not transfer a firearm, never has.


6 ATF can walk into a home based dealers home anytime they want to do a warrantless search
They are supposed to make an appointment and only do so many.
This is getting embarrassing, but wrong again.
ATF is limited to one compliance inspection per year of a dealers records and inventory. A compliance inspection is limited to that period. Any other search of a dealers premises requires a search warrant.


7 Nobody needs a silencer
Well, I don't but hey you may need a hobby.

8 The Clinton administration prohibited kitchen table dealers
Prohibited, no; but they sure closed down a lot of them.
No, they didn't. Thats why its called a myth. Licensees were given the opportunity to get legal and many chose to give up their license.
And that ain't the same thing as dealers voluntarily relinquishing their FFL because they lied on the application.


9 FFLs get huge discounts on firearms
Nope. That is why they make their money on ammo, accessories, and range rental, if so equipped.

10 The Class 3 license
Just nomenclature, there is a specific credentials under that misnomer.
And again, thats a myth. There is no such thing as a "Class 3 license" and never has been. And no, there is no such "specific credential" as a Class 3 license.
Where are you getting your information?


11 That you can convert a semiautomatic firearm to fully semiautomatic firearm.
12 Shoulder things that go up are a feature of assault weapons
Just because some antis are ignorant does not mean that they do not have knowledgeable minions.

13 Nobody hunts with a 30 round magazine
Not around here you don't, not legal under state game law.
We do.

14 Nobody hunts with a weapon of war
Apart from the made up scare name, of course they do. Not as many army surplus rifles in the woods as there used to be, though. They won't shoot MOA "all day" as required to kill a deer at 50 yards.
Again, its a MYTH that nobody hunts with a weapon of war. I think you are missing the concept that this is a list of MYTHS.

15 Weapon of war
Excepting as a made up scare name, what are the 1903 Springfield and 1911 Colt in the next room? I call them army surplus.

16 Sniper rifle
I bet I could have one from my next internet order.
So tell me about the company that advertises and manufactures a firearm with the model name of "Sniper Rifle".
A sniper rifle isn't a particular rifle, but any rifle used by a sniper. Is the next rifle you buy on that internet order going to be used for sniping? Thought so.


19 Having a Texas LTC means you don't have to fill out the Form 4473
Nope, just that you don't have to wait on the background check. We had that for a while until it came to light that one county sheriff was not doing a background check on permits and the feds took it away.
Again, you miss the point of the thread.

20 NFA firearms are "hard to get"
Well, a NEW one is. The rest are just very expensive.
Again, flat wrong. If you think it hard, you ain't bought one.

21 Glock 18's are impossible to control, fire or shoot accurately
Not until you turn the lever.
Again, flat wrong, if you think so, you ain't shot one. I have.

22 You sell more than X firearms you are considered a dealer and need an FFL.
That's the problem, they won't give an objective definition.
And again, thats why this is on a list of MYTHS.

23 Women buy pink/teal/rose colored pistols
I did used to shoot with a lady whose Glock, holster, and IDPA vest were all purple.

26 S&W "Military & Police" models are intended only for the military and police
Well, the magazines were, 1994-2004.
No, they weren't.

27 Only US Citizens can legally possess a firearm
Ought to be so.
Why?
I have customers who are currently Permanent Residents, trying to gain their citizenship.
Gainfully employed
Law abiding
Tax payers
Wanting to live the American Dream
Love America
One is active duty military
And you would deny them their Second Amendment rights? Shame on you.
Maybe there should be a test to see if the gun buyer actually understands some of the federal firearms laws he's supposed to abide by? If so Jim, you fail that test.


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Perfection.
I can't find it but several years ago I received a couple of dozen Glock caps with a velcro patch on the front. Embroidered inside the velcro was the Glock brandmark.
One was sewed on upside down.:D

I put it on my table at a gun show marked "rare" and priced double what the other Glock caps were marked. It sold.
 
2 the Form 4473 registers your firearm
3 ATF has a database of all your guns and all your information
4 the FBI has a database of all your guns and all your information

I mean, you’re absolutely right in that it doesn’t fulfill all the functions of a full or true registration scheme. But by requiring the dealer to maintain those records more or less indefinitely and surrender them to the ATF on going out of business, it definitely has overtones of informal database.

25 the address you write on the Form 4473 has to match your drivers license.

Can you unpack this one for me? I really thought it did.

36 Having a gun in an unpopular or obscure caliber is ideal for SHTF because that all that will be on the shelf.

Maybe not ideal, and highly dependent on where, local gun tastes, and what kind of SHTF. I recall buying 7.62 Nagant during the 2013 panic because my local shop had tons of commercial PPU that nobody had any interest in. On the other hand in the latest panic virtually everything that could go bang was sold out. And all things considered I’d rather face a crisis with a few boxes of 9mm or 223 than a few boxes of 9mm Steyr or 8x50 Lebel.
 
Okay, so I've been known to occasionally watch some cheesy action movies on the tube late at night.

Cars, trucks and SUVs do NOT explode into a ball of flame (or, for that matter, fly up into the air, roll over twice, and then explode) after taking a few rounds from a pistol or rifle... (even from a .50 cal, believe it or not).
 
Why would anyone want to own an assault rifle? It's commonplace to refer to any or many long guns as "assault rifles" no matter the definition of those two words, the shape, color, caliber, or intended use of the rifle being discussed.
 
Can you unpack this one for me? I really thought it did.
It has to match your current residence. Under certain circumstances a person's DL might not have their current residence address on it. One example is military personnel who generally aren't required to update their DL each time they get a new duty station. NOW, that said, you may find that an FFL isn't comfortable doing a form unless the address matches what's on the DL. Because they didn't read or didn't understand the explanatory information that is included with the form. Page 4, Section B, Question 10.

By the way, the fact that I responded to this doesn't mean I'm passively endorsing any of the other stuff on this thread. I will say that it contains an impressive amount of nonsense--both in terms of things claimed to be untrue that are true and things claimed to be true that are not. Seems these myth threads always manage to attract a disappointing amount of misinformation.
 
I have many.
Some are regarding firearms and potential ("Velocity is good! Speed kills!")
Some refer to the technical aspects of firearms ("Slower powders are for longer barrels; faster powders are for shorter barrels").
Some are political ("Guns are evil, as they cause good people to kill others"). From this I gather anti-gunners believe in evil spirits.

Most things that irritate me are rooted in ignorance or outright stupidity. Doesn't seem to be any lack.
 
That a gun is more likely to be taken and used against you.
It got perverted from the statistic of how much more likely a weapon is to be taken and used against you if you're not willing to use it, and you have a gun. Versus if you don't.
Which, duh.
 
That owning and carrying a gun is all you need to be protected. Buy it, load it & pocket it and you're all set to deal with real-life encounters effectively.
 
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