What is the untrue gun myth that irritates you the most

“Well paced shot from a 1911 vs spray and pray from a Plastic Fantastic”. Straw man argument. If you can make a well-placed shot from a 1911, you can likely make one from a Glock 19, but with more ammo left over. If you have to spray and pray, you won’t suddenly become a marksman with a 1911. But those are often the choices. Yes, my 1911s produce a tighter pattern, but I’m not inept with a Glock.

Antthing I hear on almost any news source concerning firearms, firearms safety, common sense gun laws,... you get the point.

The term - gun violence.

dogtown tom said:

a REGISTRY, with REAL gun REGISTRATION......they would already know.

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Nope, sorry but that is failed logic. The registry would only know about the most recent legally processed transfer. Unreported sales, thefts, gifts, and losses make any registry out of date.

I bought two handguns at the same time. My FFL told me that “make no mistake, these two are now registered with the ATF” because of the two gun reporting. He also said that it was no big deal and people do it all of the time without hassle, but those two particular guns are now known to be yours by the ATF.

tark said:

I'm tempted to go buy two identical handguns at the same time, just to see what happens.

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I have, Multiple times. Over the last 15 years. nothing happened. Last one was about 2 months ago. Never even got a phone call. and I did 4 of the exact same pistol, in 2 transactions. Also did more then one lower receiver also. If that counts.

A minor myth perpetuated in movies and TV shows: downplaying the noise made by gunfire, especially indoors. The actors can carry on conversations while shooting, sometimes even whispering. I have been in a room without ear protection when a 12 gauge shotgun was fired (packing house emergency-a bull got loose on the kill floor). It was not pleasant.

Cast bullets are bad for guns/inaccurate.

Can't shoot cast bullets in Glocks (I perpetuated this myth myself when I was ignorant). Cast is all I shoot in Glock.

You need a 7MM/.300 Mag to hunt wood lot deer in the southeast.

.410 is worthless for home defense.....Unless it's in a Judge or Governor pistol.

You don't need to practice.

Atavar said:

My pet myth is that a bullet fired straight up will be lethal when it comes down. Sorry, when it lands it will be traveling at terminal velocity. The same as if you dropped a bullet from a three story building.
Now an arrow on the other hand, that’s scary.

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I was sitting in a chow hall on a base in Iraq when a bullet came straight down through the roof (it was a modular building with a thin metal roof) and dented a hard laminated table. Sounded like a M80 and the first thing I thought was a negligent discharge as everyone was armed.

Thankfully no one was hurt, but it was reported as the result of celebratory gunfire as there was a wedding party outside the wire less than a mile away.

No doubt that would have killed someone had it came down on their head unless they had a helmet on.

dogtown tom said:

Good grief man....there a multi page thread here on THR.
If true, that there IS a national gun registry.......WHY THE HECK would ATF be coming to ask if you still had those guns?

In a REGISTRY, with REAL gun REGISTRATION......they would already know.

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I’ve been downvoted to infinity on Reddit over the last two days for pointing this out every time it’s been reposted. Apparently not being an uninformed drama queen is “Fudd” behavior. Who knew?

Mosin77 said:

I mean, you’re absolutely right in that it doesn’t fulfill all the functions of a full or true registration scheme. But by requiring the dealer to maintain those records more or less indefinitely and surrender them to the ATF on going out of business, it definitely has overtones of informal database.

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Even at that its not a database of who currently owns or possesses that firearm. All it will ever be is a record of who took possession of that firearm on that day.

Can you unpack this one for me? I really thought it did.

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Federal law requires the buyer/transferee to record his actual current residence address on the Form 4473.
Active duty military record both their actual residence address and their duty station.

If your drivers license does not show your current residence address, you commit a federal felony by "making it match".
Dealers who tell a buyer "they gotta match" will be encouraging the buyer to falsify a federal document. Read the top of page two and you'll see why thats a crime.
Many LE, DA's, judges have the ability to list their DL address as the county courthouse......well, that ain't your actual current residence address.

The instructions in the 4473 explain to buyer and dealer how additional government issued documents may be used if the government issued photo ID address does not show the buyers current residence address.

Maybe not ideal, and highly dependent on where, local gun tastes, and what kind of SHTF. I recall buying 7.62 Nagant during the 2013 panic because my local shop had tons of commercial PPU that nobody had any interest in. On the other hand in the latest panic virtually everything that could go bang was sold out. And all things considered I’d rather face a crisis with a few boxes of 9mm or 223 than a few boxes of 9mm Steyr or 8x50 Lebel.

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I wrote that because a customer had "invested" in six CZ vz61 Skorpion pistols in 32acp. He read on a survivalist forum that they were the ideal SHTF gun because they could easily be modified to select fire and the ammunition would be on shelves during the apocalypse. I wept while collecting the transfer fees. The look on his face when I told him "all ammo will disappear during an apocalypse and no, those are quickly or easily converted to a machine gun in your apartment".....was both puzzlement and confusion.
He asked, well what would you get? A couple of Glocks that take the same mags.
What about trading? Im not trading guns or ammo, thereby arming the other party. Every dope dealer knows what can happen during a trade.

Craig_VA said:

Nope, sorry but that is failed logic. The registry would only know about the most recent legally processed transfer. Unreported sales, thefts, gifts, and losses make any registry out of date.

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No, it explains the difference between a Form 4473 which is the record of a transaction from a licensed dealer.....and has NOTHING TO DO with future transfers of possession.
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"Registration" which continually and perpetually tracks the lawful possessor of a firearm.

They are both legal processes and whether someone fails to comply with his states registration process doesn't make it illogical.
For example, the only legal federal firearm registration is for NFA firearms. Federal law has required the registration of those firearms since 1934. Fail to adhere to the registration and transfer requirements of the NFA is a felony. So yeah, you could give your silencer to the homeless guy on the corner.....but you violate the law in doing so. Thats not "failed logic" in the least.

guyfromohio said:

I bought two handguns at the same time. My FFL told me that “make no mistake, these two are now registered with the ATF” because of the two gun reporting. He also said that it was no big deal and people do it all of the time without hassle, but those two particular guns are now known to be yours by the ATF.

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He's correct as far as ATF being aware that you bought multiple handguns, he faxed or emailed that report that evening. The guns are not registered to you, but reported as part of a multiple sale. Nothing prevents you from selling or giving those guns as a gift. No federal law requires updating ATF or your dealer about the subsequent transfer to another person.

Hikingman said:

Why would anyone want to own an assault rifle?

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Or an "assault pistol"

DTL said:

Buy it, load it & pocket it put it in the dresser drawer and you're all set to deal with real-life encounters effectively.

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FIFY

tark said:

But, unfortunately, it seems to have drifted considerably.

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It's an Internet Rule-Threads Drift.
The problem is that "untrue" and "mythical" are everywhere. This or that ammo is "illegal." Or is "obsolete." People believe all manner of things, sadly.
Like that the Earth is flat, but the Sun and Moon are not.
Or that a projectile weighing 0.014# (100gr) will push over a 175# person (either through recoil or by striking).
They Are All Myths.

CapnMac said:

They Are All Myths.

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Thats the fact Jack!

That 9mm can be as effective as a 45acp.
Kidding, kidding, I know no one really believes that.

Seriously though, The gun myths that bother me most are normally the ones associated with laws. Been guilty of believing some myself, it’s likely I still do to be perfectly honest. That’s probably why I hate them so much. The legal system is difficult and complicated enough for the layman to understand. Last thing we need is all these common myths.

SSN Vet said:

The all too frequent Hollywood image of somebody waving a pistola around with a limp wrist and shooting "pew-pew-pew" followed by all the bad guys falling over dead has fed the myth that handguns are a magic talisman that vaporizes all foes with zero effort or preparation.... which is decidedly untrue.

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Not just falling over dead, but flying backwards 25 feet from the 1000s of ft/lbs of energy from the lung blowing 9mm.

I won't say its all that irritating, but "the 2nd amendment was about muskets".
Not irritating, because I almost become giddy tearing that stupid statement to pieces when some lib tries arguing on that statement.

dogtown tom said:

He's correct as far as ATF being aware that you bought multiple handguns, he faxed or emailed that report that evening. The guns are not registered to you, but reported as part of a multiple sale. Nothing prevents you from selling or giving those guns as a gift. No federal law requires updating ATF or your dealer about the subsequent transfer to another person.

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Correct. In fact, I have neither of those guns still today.

Shooting in self defense beyond 7 yards is neither feasible nor legal.

tark said:

With me it is this one: It is unsafe to shoot 7.62X25 Tokarev in a C-96 because it is loaded to much higher pressures.

No, it isn't.

Tok ammo is loaded to the same pressures as 9mm, according to the CIP. Saami doesn't list pressures for Tok ammo but 9mm comes in at 35,000PSI, supers are 36,5000 and 9+P is at 38,5000. Broomies had no trouble handling the 9X25 Mauser round which was loaded to 37,5000 PSI. If your C-96 is in good shape with fresh springs it is perfectly safe to shoot 7.62X25 ammo in it.

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Way to slip something in, as this thread was clearly going to become political in an instant (and it did).

I have no way of knowing for sure, since I don't own a C-96 (only a Tokarev). But I've shot both Yugo and Romanian Tok, and some Fiocchi (I think, might have been PPU) 7.63... the 7.63 was noticeably softer.
I've also looked at new-manufactured boxes of both, and the factory Tok was listed with a lot higher FPS.

When it comes to non-political gun myths, I'd say STEEL-CASED AMMO WILL RUIN A GOOD GUN is up there. I've shot steel in 9mm, .223, .45acp, .308, and other calibers, and those guns all continue to run fine, with no damage.

Threads on gun forums always stay on track.