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Read the second post on this thread.
Good 1911 .45ACP for $500-$700
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So your buddies RIA is good to go. That is a solid recommendation. It is the later post that is confusing. Is the RIA the alum framed gun with 5,000 + rounds of 45acp thought is or is the steel framed Government with 27K through it? I do not doubt the claims I am just looking for clarification that might be meaningful in terms of the OP.
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I think that if you read enough here and on 1911 centric boards the wheat sperates itself from the chaff. There are 1911 owners and then there a 1911 shooters. How people answer questions and inquiry tell you who is who IMHO
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well, I really don’t know the natural of the question, but most of use reloader question everything mechanical and how? and why? g
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Most 1911 threads are about how much do I have to pay to get a good one or can I get a good one for X $$$$s. The answer is always it.... Depends. When you move up to the esoteric the conversation changes and become more nuanced.
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I don’t hate on a man’s wealth, I hope one day to pay for nice things .
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I think more like there are 1911 "collectors" and then there are 1911 "shooters".
During the past 30 years, I shot over 650,000 rounds of pistol loads (I don't keep track of rifle/22LR rounds). When your pistol round count exceeds 100,000 rounds (USPSA match Glock 17s/22s), you see things you don't see at 5000-10,000 rounds.
There are some people who consider 10,000 rounds end of barrel accuracy life and their pistol is ready for the second owners (Why some people sell their guns, loss of accuracy from barrel/pistol wear). I consider 10,000 rounds "broken in".
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wish I can make more time for marches, But I shoot 10,000 rounds in a season. Miss those daysI think more like there are 1911 "collectors" and then there are 1911 "shooters".
During the past 30 years, I shot over 650,000 rounds of pistol loads (I don't keep track of rifle/22LR rounds). When your pistol round count exceeds 100,000 rounds (USPSA match Glock 17s/22s), you see things you don't see at 5000-10,000 rounds.
There are some people who consider 10,000 rounds end of barrel accuracy life and their pistol is ready for the second owners (Why some people sell their guns, loss of accuracy from barrel/pistol wear). I consider 10,000 rounds "broken in".
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Yup. I fall into the "collector" category. It also has to do with age. At 77, my "shooter" days are behind me.
I feel the same way. And I have shot enough of the old GI "battle rattle" 1911s while in the Army with very high round counts. As long as the barrel to slide fit was good, they all shot accurately.
We always see the US vs foreign made argument often especially when it comes to the 1911 platform. What some don't realize is that even if a 1911 is made in the US there is a good chance that it is actually only assembled in the US using some if not all foreign made parts.
I normally won't even get into that argument. I go with what works and is in the price range I want. I own several RIA 1911s and they have all been good to go plus Armscor has excellent customer service if you should ever need it. I have also shot foreign made or worn out GI battle rattle's that functioned better and were more accurate than 1911s costing 2 to 3 times as much.
For the OP, go with what you like, fits you the best and is in your price range no matter if it is new or used. About the only 1911/1911 clones I will recommend people to satay away from are some older Llama 1911s
I will say that if you want better sights and/or other features, it is better to spend the extra $50-$100 to buy a new 1911 that comes with those features versus trying to add them later. When I bought my first RIA 1911 the Tactical model was only $50 more than the GI model. The Tac came with better sights and a beaver tail grip safety. I sure couldn't have purchased both for $50 afterwords.
I also do not have any problems with the Novak style sights used on my RIA Tactical tearing up any holsters I use.
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some people got car collections, boat collection, cast iron pot collection, teddy bear collection, gun collection….. to each it’s own
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If one shoots cast bullets, especially the softer variety, the barrel may never wear out. I’ve read accounts from trusted sources of 100k+ rounds being fired, the barrel slugged, and the number matching original diameter.
My recommendation was based on several factors: 1. Yes, both Ruger and Springfield are US companies. 2. Both are a well known quantity as to performance/reliability/service and long standing companies that continue to grow. 3. Both will have better resale value should the OP’s nephew decide the 1911 is not for him or if he needs to sell in times of hardship. Given the very limiting budget has me thinking (correctly or not) that we have a younger shooter with limited funds but a true interest. Buy once, cry once.
I understand the frame and slide of my SA is forged elsewhere, a point I used to hold against Springfield. What I could never outrun was their reputation for making a very fine 1911. Moreover when compared to the several American manufacturers chucking MIM at every small part, Springfield becomes an absolute bargain.
It may be snobbery but having looked over several foreign offerings inside and out, I have no niche to fill with them. Much like Hi Points that we can agree work but don’t replace the Glocks/M&Ps/XDs in our holsters. I may be wrong on any number of points as they relate to the intended shooter, just working off the information given and my limited experience.
I'm "trans-collector"... I identify as a shooter but at early, late middle age ... I'm starting to "aquire" more and shoot less... I think it's quality over quantity now... That's what I tell my wife anyway. I really like the "erector set" quality of the 1911... Buy cheap and make it your own... And learn valuable lessons on the way... Then go ahead and buy a really nice one... Or two... At that point you can show everyone how the one you personally customized is nearly as good... And it only set you back twice the price.
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Jim Watson
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Same age but still shooting.
Puts me in an interesting position.
I don't want to roll the dice on a mass produced pistol, all the brands recommended here are also well known for their "customer service" when they send out a lemon.
I don't want to sit out a long delivery for a custom gun, I might be too decrepit or too dead to enjoy it when it finally came in.
So what do I do?
Shoot the satisfactory guns I have acquired over the past 5-30 years. I know they work. I haven't seen anything that I think will improve my scores or harden my defenses.
As to the OP, let him buy SOMETHING and start gaining experience. We can hope he will have more disposable income for his next gun.
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Smiling a bit as I wait on a custom flintlock for dad that is still a year out. He’s just 74 and down to shooting once a month but still loves the range and field so it’s money well spent.
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Ditto. SAI's history of importing pieces-parts from all over, Brazil, Turkey, Slovenia, Croatia, is something I used to hold against them. That was then, and this is now.
They sources bits from all over to make a unique product for sale in the American market. Which is a fickle and chauvinistic, and knee-jerk sort of place to try and make a buck or two.
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Happy with my Citadel (RIA) 1911.
It is a nice as my Springfields, no but it was less money to.
It has been reliable for me.
It is a nice as my Springfields, no but it was less money to.
It has been reliable for me.
My personal preferences will always be Springfield Armory 1911's. I own the basic GI, the Loaded 1911 with black steel, and the TRP. My recommendation is to save to buy the cheapest they sell, you can't go wrong plus their customer service is great.
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SDS Tisas should be good to go.
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Took my Tisas US-Army to the range again today. Ran another 50 rounds of ammo and other than my usual bruise when shooting my beaverless 1911s all was well.
If you wanna know ALL about 1911s then go ahead and save a search on THR... In content and headings and set up an alert... Then sit back and read for the next year or so... It's great info... Mostly... Thanks to all the true "know it all's" out there... Big help!
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Will do
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Had a GI Springer; regretted swapping it, and got the TISAS GI; both are fine guns. Apparently, the Turk is kosher for the GI classes at Camp Perry (helped him move the rear sight for zero, holy #&^%!!!).
Only gripe with the TISAS; it does offer hammer bite; rounding the end of the hammer spur mostly eliminates this.
A late buddy, who sent a Nork to his reward with a 1911 in Korea, always recommended the Govt for a basic 1911; wait for later with a Commander. Or a 9mm.
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Only gripe with the TISAS; it does offer hammer bite; rounding the end of the hammer spur mostly eliminates this.
A late buddy, who sent a Nork to his reward with a 1911 in Korea, always recommended the Govt for a basic 1911; wait for later with a Commander. Or a 9mm.
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