plumberroy
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I shoot 55 grains of IMR 3031 behind a Sierra 300 grain hollow point out of a handi-rifle
That just sounds terribly unfriendly. If I'm shooting a shoulder cannon I want the sectional density of the 405.I shoot 55 grains of IMR 3031 behind a Sierra 300 grain hollow point out of a handi-rifle
The problem with Unique is.. I have less than a lb. left and 45-70 would use a lot of that up. And I can't find it on the shelves. I can download IMR (or H) 4198 to trapdoor levels, which I will be doing soon.
I've never done black powder and it does sound fun. Would I be looking for some ffg or pyrodex, or what should I use?
I have fired both 8 and 4 bore elephant rifles, propelling bullets from 1800-2000 grains, With anywhere from 250-385 grains of FG as propellant. There is nothing gentile about the recoil. It is brutal. Years ago I loaded up some 500 gr. loads for my 45-70 I loaded both black ( FFG ) and smokeless to the same velocity, around 1200 FPS. I could tell no difference in the recoil. I think this is one of those myths the got started long ago and repeated through the years until now everybody believes it. One must remember that black powder is classified as an explosive, not a propellent. It is possibly the weakest of all explosives with a detonation rate of 800 meters per second, but it is a true explosive. For comparison, TNT has a det. rate of around 8000 MPS, if memory serves me correctly.Black powder does not have the same sharp kick as smokeless.
I've heard that pyrodex is corrosive.Would I be looking for some ffg or pyrodex, or what should I use?
Yea, but I can find it in the store. I would just make certain to clean the bore well afterward.I've heard that pyrodex is corrosive.
I have fired both 8 and 4 bore elephant rifles, propelling bullets from 1800-2000 grains, With anywhere from 250-385 grains of FG as propellant. There is nothing gentile about the recoil. It is brutal. Years ago I loaded up some 500 gr. loads for my 45-70 I loaded both black ( FFG ) and smokeless to the same velocity, around 1200 FPS. I could tell no difference in the recoil. I think this is one of those myths the got started long ago and repeated through the years until now everybody believes it. One must remember that black powder is classified as an explosive, not a propellent. It is possibly the weakest of all explosives with a detonation rate of 800 meters per second, but it is a true explosive. For comparison, TNT has a det. rate of around 8000 MPS, if memory serves me correctly.
That just sounds terribly unfriendly. If I'm shooting a shoulder cannon I want the sectional density of the 405.
I have fired both 8 and 4 bore elephant rifles, propelling bullets from 1800-2000 grains, With anywhere from 250-385 grains of FG as propellant. There is nothing gentile about the recoil. It is brutal. Years ago I loaded up some 500 gr. loads for my 45-70 I loaded both black ( FFG ) and smokeless to the same velocity, around 1200 FPS. I could tell no difference in the recoil. I think this is one of those myths the got started long ago and repeated through the years until now everybody believes it. One must remember that black powder is classified as an explosive, not a propellent. It is possibly the weakest of all explosives with a detonation rate of 800 meters per second, but it is a true explosive. For comparison, TNT has a det. rate of around 8000 MPS, if memory serves me correctly.
Three words. Trail Boss. Limbsaver.
A Limbsaver tamed my 405 Winchester. Actually, Pachmayr Decelerator pads are good too. A Pachmayr pad tamed my 300 WSM.
Anyone know what kind of pad Ruger is shipping on these new 1895's?
Looks like a one inch pad. Black. Says Marlin on it. That is a step up from those half inch hard rubber Ruger pads.
What he said. When you're standing, you can lean in and then let the recoil push you back. When you're sitting at the bench, you're just a solid mass that the recoil is going to smack into.Sitting at a bench is worse than standing.
The problem with Unique is.. I have less than a lb. left and 45-70 would use alot of that up. And I can't find it on the shelves. I can download IMR (or H) 4198 to trapdoor levels, which I will be doing soon….
Not sure how you’d know that, considering most of the herds were pretty much gone by 1878 and the military Springfield wasn’t in a lot of hunters’ hands until well after 1873. Many great buffalo hunt experts put the .50-70 as more likely to have killed the most of any single caliber considering it had been surplussed by then and was cheap and available. Your comment seems pretty unsupported.…I'm pretty sure more buffalo were knocked over back in the day by the 45-70, out of the Model 1873 Springfield rifles, than the big Sharps cartridges did from Sharps rifles at the end of the buffalo knocking over days, when they knocked almost all of them over…
I did load up another 10 rounds using a reduced load of 32 gr IMR 4189 ( between that and H4198 I have maybe 3 lbs.).
That load out of my 16" barrel would probably be about 1200 fps. Even after yesterday's session that charge wasn't too bad.
I wuz going from memory. What's a thousand meters per second or so among friends?TNT det velocity is 6940 M/S
Thank you, and are these Ruger Marlin factory pads similar in softness to a limbsaver or pachmayr, or are they something harder?