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I happened to be in my old stomping grounds (Rochester, MN) a few days ago, so I hit up the sporting good stores there to see what their inventory looked like. I was pretty surprised to see shelfs full of primers and powder. I picked up 2K small pistol CCI's for $64.99 per K at a place called Coyote Creek, an LGS. Here's a picture from their local Scheels store. They had a LOT of powder at both places too. Scheels has an awesome selection of reloading presses and equipment too. I felt like a kid in a candy shop. Still want to see prices come down, but it sure is good to see full shelves like this.

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GeoDudeFlorida said:
It’s not just better profit, it’s contractual obligation - legal obligation, to vendors, federal, state and municipal agencies, many of which can spend billions in taxpayer dollars persecuting suppliers who break those contracts - not to mention obligations to distributors and foreign governments…
I think it’s a mistake to assume Vista is gouging when the evidence shows they’re filling pre-plandemic contracts and it would bankrupt the company not to show a sincere effort to meet those contracts. Some of the federal agencies with long-term ammunition contracts are salivating like feral dogs at the prospect of persecuting Vista and it’s officers. And putting the only sources for civilians to arm themselves out of business.
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Well said. I’d also add the cost of money drives prices of goods and services. It’s obvious what’s happening now with interest rates but way before that and regardless of the Fed funds rate, the cost of money to firms is all over the map and can be crushing.

Like you and me and our credit score, the interest rate a firm pays for borrowed money depends in large part on how credit worthy they are and how much risk a lender is willing to take on. (Or help with a bond offering, etc.)

What level of risk will a JP Morgan accept to finance a firearms company that may also be on the brink of bankruptcy should Congress/POTUS take away immunity? Unimaginable costs (interest rates) is my guess if they can get any at all.

If all Vista had to worry about were the cost of raw materials for ammo, I’d bet they’d consider themselves fortunate.
 
9mmepiphany said:
I've edited out all the discussion of weather, food and auto parts. It was a larger edit than I expected and a easier route might have just been to shut down the thread. If you see your post missing, that's what happened to it.

If we can keep this thread on the cost of primers, we can leave it open. If it drifts off track again, I'll likely just close it
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Yeah, you’re right. Dagnabbit.
 
JEBruns said:
I happened to be in my old stomping grounds (Rochester, MN) a few days ago, so I hit up the sporting good stores there to see what their inventory looked like. I was pretty surprised to see shelfs full of primers and powder. I picked up 2K small pistol CCI's for $64.99 per K at a place called Coyote Creek, an LGS. Here's a picture from their local Scheels store. They had a LOT of powder at both places too. Scheels has an awesome selection of reloading presses and equipment too. I felt like a kid in a candy shop. Still want to see prices come down, but it sure is good to see full shelves like this.

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Wish I could say the same for around here but sadly no. There's a price to pay for living in "the country" and one is you have to travel a good ways for supplies. If it weren't for the local farmer's market, our food costs would be insane. And if we had that kind of supply for ammo and reloading suppliers locally, the cost of shooting would be cheap. I'd rather have expensive on the shelf than cheap but out of stock, though. And, again, proving it's all regional. Why is MN so much better stocked than Florida's Gulf coast? Market. The goods go where the money is and around here we just don't have the numbers to justify prioritizing shipments from distributors. It's got NOTHING to do with greed or extortion, it's all about who's buying and how much it costs to get product on the shelf. With the cost of farming and overland diesel, we can all expect more sticker shock and a horribly devalued dollar. <edited>
 
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GeoDudeFlorida said:
Wish I could say the same for around here but sadly no. There's a price to pay for living in "the country" and one is you have to travel a good ways for supplies. If it weren't for the local farmer's market, our food costs would be insane. And if we had that kind of supply for ammo and reloading suppliers locally, the cost of shooting would be cheap. I'd rather have expensive on the shelf than cheap but out of stock, though. And, again, proving it's all regional. Why is MN so much better stocked than Florida's Gulf coast? Market. The goods go where the money is and around here we just don't have the numbers to justify prioritizing shipments from distributors. It's got NOTHING to do with greed or extortion, it's all about who's buying and how much it costs to get product on the shelf. With the cost of farming and overland diesel, we can all expect more sticker shock and a horribly devalued dollar. <edited>
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I don't know what explains why they are such great supply in MN, but I don't think it's money. There is plenty of money in the area of Arkansas I live in, lots of people too. But we have not seen stocks like that in a long time. I went to the local BassPro today to see what they had. I'd been up in Wisc fishing the last 6 weeks, so was holding out hope they had shelves that looked my picture above. Not. They had 4K of CCI Large Pistol and a few 1 pounders of powder.
 
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JEBruns said:
I don't know what explains why they are such great supply in MN, but I don't think it's money. There is plenty of money in the area of Arkansas I live in, lots of people too. But we have not seen stocks like that in a long time. I went to the local BassPro today to see what they had. I'd been up in Wisc fishing the last 6 weeks, so was holding out they had shelves that looked my picture above. Not. They had 4K of CCI Large Pistol and a few 1 pounders of powder.
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Well if it costs more to produce and move a product to a market than it can be sold for, that’s one possible reason. Maybe there is a production facility in MN?

But never mind all that…you went fishing for six weeks? Life’s tough.
 
dannyd said:
I have never been caught short and always have the maximum the fire code allows.

I just like to reload and shoot only hobby I have, so I pay what the asking price is. Still cheaper than golf in Florida.
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What fire code? For that matter, What primers and what powder?
 
JEBruns said:
I don't know what explains why they are such great supply in MN, but I don't think it's money. There is plenty of money in the area of Arkansas I live in, lots of people too. But we have not seen stocks like that in a long time. I went to the local BassPro today to see what they had. I'd been up in Wisc fishing the last 6 weeks, so was holding out they had shelves that looked my picture above. Not. They had 4K of CCI Large Pistol and a few 1 pounders of powder.
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After reading this I decided to take a detour after work and go to Bass Pro. They had a small selection of powder, including H110 and WST. Nothing else even vaguely interesting to me but there’s fellers in here that would go nuts. IMR 4398, CFE Pistol, HS6… a fairly good bunch of powder - for between $40-$45/lb. No primers. But! I found CCI MaxiMag Target for $17/box. Of 50. I bought two for the Single Six. I want to see how bad the nice new pretty grips I bought mess up my aim.
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Never thought I would pay $17 for a box of .22 rimfire.
 
CQB45ACP said:
Well if it costs more to produce and move a product to a market than it can be sold for, that’s one possible reason. Maybe there is a production facility in MN?
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Federal has a plant there. Or maybe their only plant? Not sure, but they have a big one in Anoka, on the north side of the Twin Cities. But most of the primers I saw were CCI. I guess I'll just hold out hope that we'll soon see shelves like that everywhere.
But never mind all that…you went fishing for six weeks? Life’s tough.
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Yeah, life is good. Caught a lot of nice bass. Took some guns up with me too. There is a sand pit nearby that serves as the public range up there.
 
JEBruns said:
Federal has a plant there. Or maybe their only plant? Not sure, but they have a big one in Anoka, on the north side of the Twin Cities. But most of the primers I saw were CCI. I guess I'll just hold out hope that we'll soon see shelves like that everywhere.

Yeah, life is good. Caught a lot of nice bass. Took some guns up with me too. There is a sand pit nearby that serves as the public range up there.
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Livin large…mouth bass?

yeah I have no idea where all the factories are but thought Arkansas would have some
 
I never thought I'd pay 6 cents for a shotgun primer either. Seems like I got a bit of a deal. At least my shot was $1 per pound. Reclaimed range shot. It breaks targets, at least at 16 yards. Ran 100 straight Thursday. Takes some of the pain away from the primer cost. Getting to the point where I need to do some serious replacement of metallic primers. Hoping prices moderate a little bit soon, otherwise I'll have to bite the proverbial bullet.
 
I’m sure the colonists followed the kings rules too. Just saying.
I just keep primers and powder separated in separate cabinets in a controlled environment. Yes, when I see them at a reasonable price, I buy them.
 
ciwsguy said:
I’m sure the colonists followed the kings rules too. Just saying.
I just keep primers and powder separated in separate cabinets in a controlled environment. Yes, when I see them at a reasonable price, I buy them.
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I keep mine separate as well but also don’t have the amount/volume called out in local fire codes or insurance policies. But I learn more everyday. My powder is in the shed. In fact, I store EVERYTHING in a safer way than I did before I was reloading. My butane torch tank is now also in the shed for example.

And while I’m at it, our rules (mostly) derive from our duly elected representatives or officers appointed by them. When we have heartache with those rules we have a number of options including voting in new representatives or running for public office ourselves or even litigating the rules.

We had no such options under the king. We aren’t colonists. We’re citizens.

Sure, we can break the rules and offend our fellow citizens, but then they can do the same against the rules we DO like and then it’s just chaos. And chaos is seldom in anyone’s self interest. I prefer a civilized society.

Just saying.
 
I thought I was pretty well set with supplies for the guns I own as I had a good supply of large and small pistol primers and small rifle primers, but then I bought a Savage .308 rifle a couple weeks ago. Since I didn't have anything that used large rifle primers before, my supply of them was zilch. It didn't take long for me to realize those are the hardest primers to find, and the most expensive if you do find some. The only place I've seen them available is GB and the price after hazmat is north of $200 a brick. The store where I bought the rifle did sell me two trays (at $15 per tray) the day I bought the gun, but that was their limit and they only offered them because I was buying a gun.

Last week I stopped in at my LGS just to check as they pretty much never have primers anymore, and as luck would have it they had 3 trays of magnum large rifle primers, so I bought those at $11 per tray and felt lucky to get them.

I don't mind paying $100 per brick as I think at least that is going to be the new normal when everything settles. I no more expect to find $30 per brick primers in the future than I expect to find $2 per gallon gas. Those days are gone.
 
mmb617 said:
I thought I was pretty well set with supplies for the guns I own as I had a good supply of large and small pistol primers and small rifle primers, but then I bought a Savage .308 rifle a couple weeks ago. Since I didn't have anything that used large rifle primers before, my supply of them was zilch. It didn't take long for me to realize those are the hardest primers to find, and the most expensive if you do find some. The only place I've seen them available is GB and the price after hazmat is north of $200 a brick. The store where I bought the rifle did sell me two trays (at $15 per tray) the day I bought the gun, but that was their limit and they only offered them because I was buying a gun.

Last week I stopped in at my LGS just to check as they pretty much never have primers anymore, and as luck would have it they had 3 trays of magnum large rifle primers, so I bought those at $11 per tray and felt lucky to get them.

I don't mind paying $100 per brick as I think at least that is going to be the new normal when everything settles. I no more expect to find $30 per brick primers in the future than I expect to find $2 per gallon gas. Those days are gone.
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https://www.natchezss.com/cci-stand...7-62mm-military-nato-sensitivity-1000-ct.html
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I was in the LGS about 3 months ago. They had some powder but no primers. Guys I know a bunch of people weren't ready for this last "shortage" but try not to be discouraged. Purchase what you need when you can & enjoy our hobby. If we come out of this & things stabilize, stock up best you can. Keep your chin up, I'm looking for better days.
 
JEBruns said:
I happened to be in my old stomping grounds (Rochester, MN) a few days ago, so I hit up the sporting good stores there to see what their inventory looked like. I was pretty surprised to see shelfs full of primers and powder. I picked up 2K small pistol CCI's for $64.99 per K at a place called Coyote Creek, an LGS. Here's a picture from their local Scheels store. They had a LOT of powder at both places too. Scheels has an awesome selection of reloading presses and equipment too. I felt like a kid in a candy shop. Still want to see prices come down, but it sure is good to see full shelves like this.

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I wonder how they do it? I was at the Bass Pro HQ early yesterday morning. Their *flagship* store. Not a single primer to be found, and a dismal selection of powder.
 
JEBruns said:
I happened to be in my old stomping grounds (Rochester, MN) a few days ago, so I hit up the sporting good stores there to see what their inventory looked like. I was pretty surprised to see shelfs full of primers and powder. I picked up 2K small pistol CCI's for $64.99 per K at a place called Coyote Creek, an LGS. Here's a picture from their local Scheels store. They had a LOT of powder at both places too. Scheels has an awesome selection of reloading presses and equipment too. I felt like a kid in a candy shop. Still want to see prices come down, but it sure is good to see full shelves like this.

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I just wanted to repost this …. WOW! $65 too! Getting closer people!!!
 
Mark_Mark said:
I just wanted to repost this …. WOW! $65 too! Getting closer people!!!
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In the picture I posted, the CCI SRP's have a price tag for $69.99. And notice the shelves are 2 deep. There have been posts about primers being even cheaper at Sportsman Warehouse's, but a 200 limit per day. So hopefully we'll all start seeing that kind of thing soon.
 
TEXASJD said:
https://www.natchezss.com/cci-stand...7-62mm-military-nato-sensitivity-1000-ct.html
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Thanks, I think!

I went ahead and ordered a brick, total after hazmat and shipping was $165.08, but something strange happened. After I entered my CC info instead of going to the order confirmation page the page got hung up. It's just been spinning with the loading next step message for that last 10 minutes or so. I went into my CC account and it shows the charge to Natchez as pending, so maybe everything is ok, but I'll be monitoring the account till I know for sure.

I've never dealt with Natchez before but I've heard of them. They are a reputable site aren't they?

I just got the order confirmation in my email so I guess everything is ok.
 
I have used them before never had a problem, I prefer Powder Valley and Midsouth though.
 
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