180gr Hornady XTP for deer hunting via saboted muzzleloader

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I recently came into two boxes of Hornady #44050 44 Cal 180gr XTP pistol projectiles. I am a reloader, but I don't own a 44 or reload for 44 caliber. I do own two 50 caliber inline muzzleloaders that I use for deer hunting.

My current deer hunting load is 2x50gr equivalent IMR WhiteHots with a sabotted 45 caliber Hornady XTP 250 gr pistol projectile. I also reload for 45 Colt in my Henry Big Boy. Was thinking that I could use 44 caliber green sabots with these new-to-me projectiles and save the 45 cal 250gr projectiles for my 45 Colt rifle.

A quick internet search has me believing that I need to use 240-250 gr minimum and up to 300 gr for deer hunting with a sabotted pistol projectile. Hornady indicates on their website that these 44 cal projectiles are fine for medium game up to 300 lbs so I assume that when fired from a handgun (44 Magnum?) they are "fine" for deer at pistol velocities.

So, am I foolish for even pondering 180gr pistol projectiles out of an inline muzzleloader for deer? Or am I missing the "punch" or knockdown power of a 250-300gr projectile at muzzleloader velocities (assuming 1800-2000 ft/s)? Or would you expect the 44 projectile would just make a 0.429" hole in the deer and pass right through? Or maybe no penetration, especially if I hit bone? Obviously lots of rifles use 180gr projectiles for hunting deer/moose/bear but at a much greater velocity.

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These bullets have a low sectional density similar to a round ball. You could try shooting them and see if they are accurate. As far as terminal performance, just like with a 50 cal round ball I would push it fast and keep your distances modest, assuming it is accurate.
 
I would just buy a .44 pistol to use those XTP's and stick with a 250 to 300gr in the 50cal.:cool:
But as already mentioned, if you try those .44's , push em fast.
 
I have used pistol bullets JHPs on varmints, mostly groundhogs. I was trying to go with lightest bullet at highest velocity. I had to
come up to 158gr before I got accuracy. Note: with the short pistol bullet you may have feed problems in some rifles.
the pistol bullets fired at rifle velocities(JHPs) devastated groundhogs, I don't know how they would preform on deer. I've shot
more than my share of deer, many with 35s, never had any problem killing them with 200gr Rn. Poor hit, is just that, bullet
not going to make up for it.
I don't think he'll have a feed problem with a muzzle loader.:cool:
 
Id trade or sell them then get more of what you usually use since you'll have to switch sabots to shoot the .44s.
Ive found that .44 bullets tend to be less accurate in my 50s than .45s. I assume because they have so much more sabot between them and the bore.
 
I have the same issue as Loonwulf. The 44 just don’t fly well out of my muzzleloader. Pushing that bullet as fast as possible may cause more issues than it solves. The faster you drive them the more they tend to come unwrapped on impact. If that happens more is always better when it comes to bullet weight. Have killed a dozen, or so, white tails with 250 gr Xtp at various distances and at close range the bullet sheds a lot of weight. Big deer, close range, thru the shoulders may be a bit iffy with the 180,s. The difference is not just the weight. It is that you can’t drive the heavier bullet as fast.
 
Id trade or sell them then get more of what you usually use since you'll have to switch sabots to shoot the .44s.
Ive found that .44 bullets tend to be less accurate in my 50s than .45s. I assume because they have so much more sabot between them and the bore.
Good points. Guessing someone might want to trade. I actually have a package of green Hornady sabots, so after deer season I should try some out at the range to see how they group. I've had good groups at 100 yards with Hornady XTP 250gr and 300gr pistol bullets so I don't "need" to switch to 44 caliber 180gr.
 
Appreciate all of the comments. Got some green sabots and sometime in the near future will take them to the range to see how they perform. I'm all set-up for this fall, so totally no rush on this. Maybe I'll try to trade them, or at least one box.

Thanks!
 
Not a big fan of light bullets in a black powder gun. Had an episode with an old 45cal Hawken when I tried a 140 gr Speer 357 bullet. I was in a tree shooting down at a buck walking away from me and took it about the last rib just to the right of the spine. There was absolutely no blood because of no exit hole. We looked for around an hour without a sign of blood. We found the buck by the road as we walked back to the truck. He had gone about 100 yards. The bullet had ranged down through the chest taking out a lung and some of the plumbing above the heart and had stopped in the brisket. Now I shoot a 300 XTP in a 50 cal and get an exit hole.
 
Not a big fan of light bullets in a black powder gun. Had an episode with an old 45cal Hawken when I tried a 140 gr Speer 357 bullet. I was in a tree shooting down at a buck walking away from me and took it about the last rib just to the right of the spine. There was absolutely no blood because of no exit hole. We looked for around an hour without a sign of blood. We found the buck by the road as we walked back to the truck. He had gone about 100 yards. The bullet had ranged down through the chest taking out a lung and some of the plumbing above the heart and had stopped in the brisket. Now I shoot a 300 XTP in a 50 cal and get an exit hole.
Those 300xtps are very good at leaving blood everywhere.
I switched to a 45/40 200sst. Results are similar to a 35 Remington.
 
If you get an accurate load, get some milk jugs filled with water, and test penetration. I personally want over 4 jugs of penetration for deer, with 5-6 being optimal.

John
 
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