I want a gun to kill the things that are killing my chickens.....

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This is what a friend of mine told me his brother is looking for. Ok I know said brother, not well but a quick glossing over the top. Not a "gun" guy, I don't think he even owns a gun. And me being the "gun nut" just ask me. Ok.

Get yourself a Ruger PCC in 9mm and fill it with some good SD ammo, that will deal with anything from opossum to coyote inside of 50 yards in an ethical manner, with less worry of it going anywhere you don't want it to.

About a month later I get the same question again, have him come out, I have a few things that I think would be perfect, he can shoot them. Ok, what do you think of 243 or 223. Ahh, what is his land like, well he has 10AC, horses, and now chickens. Are the chickens in a pen, yes. Are there houses around, yea about like here (my house). A 243 or 223 is not a real good idea. Why?

Well he has not shot very much those are some pretty powerful rifle cartridges, and inside of 30 yards, even if he hits a raccoon, it is likely to not stay inside him and keep going. You need to think just where that round will go if you miss. We shoot that here (my land)....yes but we shoot right here, HUGE dirt berm, RR ties, in a U, nothing is going to leave my range, and if it does it has to pass through two barns full of all kinds of crap. In short I am not worried about a round leaving my home range unless you shoot at a 45deg angle. He does not have a berm, he is going to shoot at something, in the dark, little light, small moving are you sure he is going to hit it, from what I know of the guy nope, hell I had doubts when I had chickens that I would hit it, and I did not want to send a hand gun round that direction. And to even see this thing at the all you can eat chicken buffet he is going to need to stay up all night. And I doubt there is only one, I had raccoon opossum coyote, skunk at mine....and several of each. Trying all night every night. does he want to stay up all night to hopefully get a shot at it.

Tell him to go to a farm supply store, get a transformer and some electrical fence wire, for cattle. Wire it around the chicken pen several rows going up the fence, and nothing will get in. Put some concrete pavers around the edges to discourage digging.

This is way less "cool" and "macho" then killing some animal you might or might not see, but hay you got a gun...and who knows IF you see it, and IF you take a shot at it, you might get LUCKY and stay out of jail when that round goes someplace you did not think it would go.

Well the 243 from ruger is not that expensive only about $300, I might tell him to just get an AR.

Sigh.

I hope you don't visit him in prison....but if he has his little heart on being a "man" and getting a gun I suggest the Ruger PCC, 9mm and good SD ammo, at least it will not fly as far as fast as a 243. I have a 243 you want to shoot it and see....maybe next time.

Sigh....

have him give me a call before he does anything.

I doubt I will hear anything.
 
Most of us here are well enough shots, wouldn't matter if we stuck with anything between a .22 LR and .243. All would be fine for coyotes and the like.
But for a beginner/noob, it can be hard recommending any sort of gun to them. If it's a semi auto, it can get jammed and they'll get confused how to clear it. If it's a bolt action, they might forget you have to even cycle the bolt. This is not to say they're stupid, just ignorant/inexperienced.

I agree on the electric fence barrier, the best long term solution to this problem.
Or he can use traps to catch whatever it is.
 
First, the guy 'ain't a gun guy'[.........then keep it simple and easy.........forget a rifled piece try something that ups his hit probability..........cheap 12 ga. pump gun or single bbl....low brass 4's or so will take any coyote or other similar sized varmit mucho quick! Just a little instruction and he'll be able to hit something as opposed to precisely aim via some artificial light.

Electrical fencing works...somewhat....live traps,.somewhat...mayhaps a combo of these will help. Sometimes just a loud noise works, at least temporarily....I have a damn bear that occasionally distributes my garbage all over my property.......several loud gunshots will run him off, for a while at least....I mostly solved that problem by installing a latch and wire on the can...he still comes around but since pickin's are slim he can only overturn that can. I also stuck a perimeter alarm near that can....blank shotshell and the can raider leaves post haste.
 
A 22 will also fly quite a way if there is nothing to stop it. I just worry this guy....a little background.

Bad divorce a bit of time ago. Goes out to the wilds of Idaho to "get away" I guess. He is a Dr. so pretty easy to find a job in a small town, they are always looking for people in that profession. From what I understand typical Dr. type person before the divorce, country clubs kind of thing. New wife is a bit of a country girl, has horses and he seems to enjoy the much slower lifestyle. But is new to this "country" lifestyle.

My worry is, and really why I bothered to bring it up here is I really worry about the guy making an uninformed choice. "Gun nuts" know what cartridge will do what, or at least have a real good idea what it will do. I know I have wel under zero control of this deal, but none the less I have known this guy when he was 5 years old. I was never a "friend" of his, but of his brother, but I knew of the little brother running around....and I still worry about a guy that has gotten his life back together to have it torn apart by a mistake.

I thought about the shotgun, but I know from my chickens the only time I saw one in the act he was already inside, and a shotgun would have done a number on the chickens as well. It is a real good idea, but I don't think the best idea...heck the best idea is secure the chickens, and I had chicks as well as chickens, and you do need to secure them, you will not stop mother nature.
 
First things first, he needs to secure his chicken coop/pen. Then, he needs to buy the cheapest pump 12 gauge he can find, some HB #4 shot, and a good tree dog. Let the dog bay the critter, then go out and shoot it. No need to sit up all night waiting, just sleep until the dog starts barking. That's what I do, anyway. So far, it's worked on all manner of critters.

I'd say a 223 or 243 is very much overkill, if he just has to have a rifle then he should go with nothing larger than a 22 magnum. A 22lr, in properly trained hands, is sufficient for most any varmint bent on a chicken dinner.

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Just based on reading the subject line, I had already unknowingly agreed with OP. I immediately thought about a 9mm Carbine.

Ammo is cheap and easy to find, capable of handling pretty much any possible threat, and a carbine is easy to handle, more accurate than a pistol, and safer in terms of self injury likelihood.

It's generally what I recommend for a first firearm, regardless of the reasons for wanting one.
 
"I want a gun to kill the things that are killing my chickens".....This is what a friend of mine told me his brother is looking for
My wife breeds chickens and as other members already posted, solution to your friend's brother's predator problem starts with a secure enclosure/coop for the chickens. (Or does he plan on guarding the coop every night?)

Send him to Backyard Chicken forum, world's largest online forum on anything chicken related, to learn how to "predator proof" coop for chickens (Or Google "How to predator proof chicken coop") - https://www.backyardchickens.com/threadloom/search?keywords=predator+proofing+coop&tab=0

We initially enclosed 12'x12' corner of the pole barn and had to deal with predators, mainly racoons and after learning about predator proofing chicken coop, built 24'x8' coop with 1/2" wire fabric and no more predator issues.

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I dunno that sounds like a 22 rifle to me. Cheapest one at Walmart or something, 22 savage.

Or maybe a wrangler or heritage if he prefers. Any of those would work.
 
Secure enclosure first then either a .410 or .22 with standard velocity. Either way he will have to practice and be confident in his ability to hit only what he wants.
For my close in pests I use a marlin mod 60 and aguila colibri. Right in the eye and done but my shots are 10 yards and the scope is sighted just for those rounds at that distance.
 
But, if he isn't going to learn to be safe and humble and spend a few afternoons with some cans and a brick just get a dog and up the predator proofing ( didn't see the rest of the backstory there, just the gun recommendations for something getting at the chickens)
 
I have been there. What i did was buy a live animal trap, the kind with the pressure pad that closes the cage door once its stepped on when they try and eat. You eliminate wounding an animal that runs off and suffers. You will have a very hard time getting night animals when they are about. unless you plan on waiting all night for them, and then they may sense you are there and not come. I can't count how many racoons and skunks and possums i have trapped and then dispatched. In the state I lived in, its illegal to relocate wild life, so either you had to shoot it or let it go. Its not fun shooting a critter in a cage, but if you don't they will always come back. The coons would typically eat 50lbs of my dog food a week if I didn't keep them in check. I have trapped many animals eating my chickens. The skunk thing aint so easy so you don't get sprayed.. Once the skunk is trapped, I had a 30 foot rope on the trap, a 2x12 board going up to a large livestock water trough. once the skunk is trapped, you pull the cage with the rope up the board and plunge the cage into the water trough. Whalla, a drowned skunk that cant spray you. Yes it sounds gruesome but its the most humane way to deal with predators. I have shot many in a cage, not my fav thing to do, they flop around all over the place, the water trough thing is pretty quick and no blood. For mice I had another method. I would put a bucket of water right next to a bale of alfalfa but the bucket was lower than the top of the bale, the mice would jump in and drown. I had countless days dumping the water bucket with several dozen mice every night.
 
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If he hasn't identified the actual predator, how does he know it's not a protected species that would be illegal to shoot no matter how close his neighbors are?

We've established by and large, the first thing this guy needs to do is secure his chickens. After that, we can more accurately asses what kind of gun he really needs. If the predator gets through the fencing to the chickens anyway, then it's a large predator and a .243 looks to be the better option.
But lets be honest here, if you're living out in the country you're going to need a few guns anyway. A .22, a shotgun and a hunting caliber of some sort either a .243 or .308. 100 years ago every country man wouldn't be seen without these 3.
 
Get a live trap. Buy more chickens to replace the stupid ones. Natural selection with my ducks. The stupid ones get eaten, the smart ones live for ages.

I release skunks and opossums. They're harmless. I'd gladly accept live catches of either. They keep mice populations down, and wipe out yellow jacket nests.

Raccoons get shot. Chipmunks, squirrels, and mice get released in an open field, with a dozen eagles watching. They dont last long.
 
Or a couple Great Pyrenees
The OP said he already has horses. . . why does he need another big white horse?

I doubt I will hear anything.
In my opinion, this has "12 gauge with #4 or #7 shot" written all over it. Minimal danger to a distant neighbor, and instant appreciation for the danger of missing via shot embedded in the coop.
 
Tannerite is that part of the equation that guarantee's those chickens will never lay another egg!

I'd note that those horses'l leave taking a good portion of the fencin' with 'em!
 
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