Lead ban preparation.

Are you ready to hunt this season with the new Federal lead ban

  • I buy ammunition before the season and haven't considered it.

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • I got monos for my rifle as soon as I herd about it.

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • I don't hunt federal lands

    Votes: 15 28.8%

  • This is the first I'm hearing about it.

    Votes: 30 57.7%

  • I developed a hand load just in case and I'm ready.

    Votes: 5 9.6%
  • Total voters
    52
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I don't hunt federal land. The proposed Federal lead ammo hunting ban is not yet law as far as I can tell.

That said I have been using all copper bullets in my 450 Bushmaster and my 300 BO (both subs and supers) and the performance is exceptional. So on one hand I have zero desire to see lead ammo banned in any shape or form. Lead is the most affordable bullet material. But if they do ban it I already have options that work as well or better than lead for hunting, all be it a bit expensive.
 
AJC1 said:
https://sportsmensalliance.org/news/biden-administration-moves-to-ban-lead-ammunition/
It's as good as passed imo.
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Clearly an optimist... :D

This isn't the first time they have tried this, thus they have failed before and are likely to fail again. That said there are options readily available if they do pass it.

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Maker Bullet 220gr REX from my 300 BO

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Barnes 275gr TSX from my 450 Bushmaster.
 
mcb said:
Clearly an optimist... :D

This isn't the first time they have tried this, thus they have failed before and are likely to fail again. That said there are options readily available if they do pass it.

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Maker Bullet 220gr REX from my 300 BO

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Barnes 275gr TSX from my 450 Bushmaster.
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Your posts indicates your in the prepared department. Those maker bullets always look so good.
 
mcb said:
This isn't the first time they have tried this, thus they have failed before and are likely to fail again.
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They have succeeded too. Kids might not remember hunting ducks and geese with lead but it was legal until 1992. Optimists back then also didn’t think the AWB would become law…

One thing I will give Democrats is that they don’t give up, they keep banging away until they achieve their goal. Republicans just stand around like Bush, Cheney and Hastert and deflate the people that elected them. At least they didn’t join in like Trump did but there are no good choices for us, always just the least evil…
 
Sneaky.

Pure backdoor gun control. Ban the ammunition and you ban guns.
Sure, a few handloaders can still shoot - but - all you have to do to make them fall into step is control the distribution of primers.
 
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Hal said:
Sneaky.

Pure backdoor gun control. Ban the ammunition and you ban guns.
Sure, a few handloaders can still shoot - but - all you have to do to make them fall into step is control the distribution of primers.
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This was not the intent of my thread to be politically charged but how we can deal and plan to continue doing what we do. A lead ban kills shooting my old war horses like 7.7 jap.
 
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Out west here where our state politicians sold our lands out from under us to the Fed's over the years is a significant restriction.

I'm in no way justifying banning lead shot, sinkers, weights, etc. But those are on another level of sending lead out over the land then a couple lead hunting bullets that often get recovered in big game animal. This has more to do with the 2A than saving fish and fowl. But I won't get into the politics, just want to point out the absurdity them banning high powered lead projectiles for hunting.

And just to reiterate, I stand with the fellow anglers and upland game hunters against this restriction as well, I just wanted to point out that they are grabbing for all they can get, and one needs to ask, why?

I like @mcb have plenty of mono-metal options but that's not the point, they'll come for those next for an equally absurd set of arguments.
 
I'm in California, so it wouldn't really change anything for me. When the state banned lead for hunting, I experimented with a few brands of copper bullets and found a few recipes that worked. In particular it seemed to me that "light and fast" was a better plan with these bullets, as opposed to "slow and fat" - which describes both me and my preferred lead bullets!

Honestly, the only real downsides are that A) copper bullets can be pretty expensive, and B) there is no good reason for the government to mandate them. Beyond that, they work quite well and hunters should not generally feel handicapped by them.
 
.38 Special said:
I'm in California, so it wouldn't really change anything for me. When the state banned lead for hunting, I experimented with a few brands of copper bullets and found a few recipes that worked. In particular it seemed to me that "light and fast" was a better plan with these bullets, as opposed to "slow and fat" - which describes both me and my preferred lead bullets!

Honestly, the only real downsides are that A) copper bullets can be pretty expensive, and B) there is no good reason for the government to mandate them. Beyond that, they work quite well and hunters should not generally feel handicapped by them.
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May be a windfall for gun makers if people shift to cartridges that are a lot faster helping the monos function better. The whole in that theory is how awesome those maker bullets are in 300 bo. Curious how they work in 30-30 the most common deer gun in america.
 
AJC1 said:
May be a windfall for gun makers if people shift to cartridges that are a lot faster helping the monos function better. The whole in that theory is how awesome those maker bullets are in 300 bo. Curious how they work in 30-30 the most common deer gun in america.
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That Maker 300 BO is not a stand out. The Barnes bullet in that same post was launched at ~1850 fps and still had beautiful expansion. The all copper bullet technology has come a long way since Barnes first introduced the X bullet and the manufactures are getting very good at tailoring the bullet to specific cartridge/velocities and they are expanding the range of velocities over which the bullets work well. There are several ammunition loaders already offering 30-30 loaded with all copper bullets, including the big manufactures, Federal and Hornady.
 
BreechFace said:
I'm in no way justifying banning lead shot, sinkers, weights, etc. But those are on another level of sending lead out over the land then a couple lead hunting bullets that often get recovered in big game animal
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Ive recovered a bunch of bullets while metal detecting. Ranging from copper jacket spitzers to mini balls, and regular round balls. Copper jacketed ones looked like they just needed a good washing and could be loaded again. Lead ones were all still solid, and there was no visible evidence of lead leaching into the ground. Most of the round balls were white, meaning they had been there a long long long time. They were as smooth as the day the were cast, most still with the sprue on them.

Instead of banning lead bullets, how about spending all that money on cleaning up the superfund sites, like Leadville, CO. Which just so happens to be one of the most polluted sites in the country and which drains in to the Arkansas river and runs 1400 miles to the Mississippi. The water coming out of some areas in Leadville is blood red and laden with heavy metals and arsenic. Even kids playing in the dirt are subject to toxins.
 
BigBlue 94 said:
Ive recovered a bunch of bullets while metal detecting. Ranging from copper jacket spitzers to mini balls, and regular round balls. Copper jacketed ones looked like they just needed a good washing and could be loaded again. Lead ones were all still solid, and there was no visible evidence of lead leaching into the ground. Most of the round balls were white, meaning they had been there a long long long time. They were as smooth as the day the were cast, most still with the sprue on them.

Instead of banning lead bullets, how about spending all that money on cleaning up the superfund sites, like Leadville, CO. Which just so happens to be one of the most polluted sites in the country and which drains in to the Arkansas river and runs 1400 miles to the Mississippi. The water coming out of some areas in Leadville is blood red and laden with heavy metals and arsenic. Even kids playing in the dirt are subject to toxins.
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Applying common sense will get you no where in government buddy. If they clean up anything Hanford gets the nod...
 
I tried lead free 122gr 6.5mm bullets they were very accurate.
Just expensive.
If I end up deer hunting in a thicket I'll switch over to the 122gr solid copper hollow point so I don't blast the deer full of lead particles.
 
I don't mean to imply that copper bullets require speed, but rather that they do very well with it. They seem nearly indestructible, and so launching them at 3500+ FPS can result in spectacular terminal ballistics with little fear of failure.
 
Not in favor of any lead ban for bullets or fishing...

I have used the Barnes TTSX 80 grain in .243 Winchester .... 3300fps ...deadly and flat shooting.... my grandson killed a 185 lbs nice 8 point with the combo ...never moved out of his tracks ... 125 yards ...

I killed a 180+ lbs 7 point with a 80 grain TTSX in my .25/06 .... made eight steps before crashing dead ...

There was six deer killed with Barnes on my little spot last year alone...

Wish I could post photos of the bullets but they passed though ...

Copper bullets are a drop in a bucket compared to the other cost involved with deer hunting ...

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AJC1 said:
This was not the intent of my thread to be politically charged but how we can deal and plan to continue doing what we do. A lead ban kills shooting my old war horses like 7.7 jap.
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Do you do a lot of shooting with a 7.7 Jap on National Wildlife Refuges?
 
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