About the 357 Rossi 92??

savagelover said:

I appreciate all the answers I have and advise on the rifle. I still have not tried any jacketed bullets thru it. I have read tons of information on using cast bullets from hard to soft,etc. The lee 358/158 R was really a joke at 50 yards which is my distance for hunting.
My question for those that claim great accuracy,is what do you mean by great accuracy?? I have a green dot on mine so it's not pin point as with cross hairs. My best groups are with unique,I have not run them over the chrony yet. I guess my biggest concern is this. What do you all consider to be an acceptable MV for deer. Thanks again..

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I have a peep sight. I consider 2.5 inches at the range I'm shooting to be acceptable.
For me I run the most velocity I can accurately.

At 50 yards 2-3 inches off hand with peep sights. A scope would be smaller and supported would be smaller yet. But that's not applicable to the metallic Silhouette game I play.

savagelover said:

I appreciate all the answers I have and advise on the rifle. I still have not tried any jacketed bullets thru it. I have read tons of information on using cast bullets from hard to soft,etc. The lee 358/158 R was really a joke at 50 yards which is my distance for hunting.
My question for those that claim great accuracy,is what do you mean by great accuracy?? I have a green dot on mine so it's not pin point as with cross hairs. My best groups are with unique,I have not run them over the chrony yet. I guess my biggest concern is this. What do you all consider to be an acceptable MV for deer. Thanks again..

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I wish I could help more since I do a lot of hunting with the .357 but it is really the opposite kind of hunting. I’m almost exclusively using a RBH revolver from a tree or ground blind in oak stands at under 20yards. I’m using 180-200grain hard cast WFN at around 1000fps - which is plenty stiff! - and I won’t take a bad shot so if I can’t get the quartering-away shot through the lungs and heart muscle, I just admire the animal and wish it well on its way. Biggest difference is the size of the deer. Our Florida Whitetail top out at around 150lbs. They’re tiny compared to y’all’s monster bucks. Best advice I can give is use the heaviest, wide-nose bullets your rifle will drive as fast as possible - I think 1200-1500fps might make it but it’s going to depend on how big the buck is how you get the shot. Good luck.

I still think you need to try jacketed or 158 grain gas checked over a near max load of 2400.

brewer12345 said:

I still think you need to try jacketed or 158 grain gas checked over a near max load of 2400.

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2400 and #9 both work well in my marlin. I shoot more #9 because it's easier to find and I'm holding my 2400 close for now.

This was after changing out the sights. The group was shot from a front rest.

savagelover said:

I appreciate all the answers I have and advise on the rifle. I still have not tried any jacketed bullets thru it. I have read tons of information on using cast bullets from hard to soft,etc. The lee 358/158 R was really a joke at 50 yards which is my distance for hunting.
My question for those that claim great accuracy,is what do you mean by great accuracy?? I have a green dot on mine so it's not pin point as with cross hairs. My best groups are with unique,I have not run them over the chrony yet. I guess my biggest concern is this. What do you all consider to be an acceptable MV for deer. Thanks again..

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I like 2" at 50 yards. I dont do cast but did a lot of work finding bullets that expand at lower speed in 357. Results were

125 Rem Golden Sabre HP, expands at about 850fps impact
135 Speer Gold dot Hp, about 850-875fps impact
125 Rem SJHP( UMC load) about 925fps impact
158 XTP HP about 1030fps impact

The 125xtp, 140xtp, 180xtp were all harder nose bullets, as were the vast majority of other 357 magnum bullets, they need higher speeds. The 158xtp is not a 'soft bullet ' btw, the nose just tends to peel back at low speeds giving better early expansion and then still penetrates deep. Easily the best velocity window I found and I considered it the best bullet in 357 for reduced loads in a lever gun.

As to game I shot small/medium hogs with the standard Rem UMC factory ammo(125 SJHP) in 38+P. It chronies about 940fps from a pistol and 1300fps from my 20" Rossi 92. No overly hard shots, broadside at 40 yards, but it worked.

savagelover said:

Interesting information. Appreciate it. I guess I'll have to try some of the xtp,s I have especially for deer hunting.. But I ain't giving up on the cast bullets. Wish I had a 180 grain mold. But being on a fixed income makes it tough. Lol

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Don't give up on cast. Use the XTPs this season. Regroup after the season and try again.
I'm going to be getting the Lee158 rnfp mold soon. I could send you a few when I run a session.
There has to be something small that is throwing everything off. It could be your twist is on the slow side of advertised.

savagelover said:

Not an expert by any means. I shot high power F class for years. Even then there was a lot of issues about filing twist. Almost every shoot the topic was brought up. So I know barrel twist is a thing to deal with. My next range test is going to be have as cast size. And without the gas checks. I might be surprised. I have a 360 sizer die on order so I can seat the gas checks if needed or try some 158 gr powder coated plain base and run the snot out of them. Time will tell. Lol

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The only guarantee with cast is it doesn't always work the way you expect.
If you try powder coating skip the harbor freight powder. It's garbage.

savagelover said:

Do you think that will anchor a deer.

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Yes

savagelover said:

Do you think that will anchor a deer.

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If your shot is well placed, then I absolutely think it will anchor a deer.

chris

Yes. Shot placement is now the only question. Best of luck.

savagelover said:

So here's where I'm at. Still no jacketed bullets. Anyway I'm working with the lee c358-158. But with my softer bullets and gas checks they average 160 grains so I'm using 160 gr data and imr 4227. Muzzle velocity at a little over 1500 fps. And 1 1/2 3shot groups at 50 yards. Do you think that will anchor a deer. I can go faster but I like where I'm at. So tell me your opinions. This has been my goal for over a year. You could say my bucket list. Oh yeah. I'm sizing .360 with no trace of leading. Tumbled lubed and then sized and lubed again. I've nothing else to do. Lmao

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Now your into workable loads. It could be better. But I wouldn't stress about it. You're within sighting system error.
That much soft lead at that velocity should go through a deer and at least leave a excellent blood trail. I would expect it to go down within a few jumps.

Speeding them up from 1200 to 1500 fps will definitely help. 1 1/2 " at 50yds will definitely work for deer. That soft bullet should knock the snot out of them.

savagelover said:

So here's where I'm at. Still no jacketed bullets. Anyway I'm working with the lee c358-158. But with my softer bullets and gas checks they average 160 grains so I'm using 160 gr data and imr 4227. Muzzle velocity at a little over 1500 fps. And 1 1/2 3shot groups at 50 yards. Do you think that will anchor a deer. I can go faster but I like where I'm at. So tell me your opinions. This has been my goal for over a year. You could say my bucket list. Oh yeah. I'm sizing .360 with no trace of leading. Tumbled lubed and then sized and lubed again. I've nothing else to do. Lmao

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I never got to shoot deer with my 357's, but I can say that will anchor hogs if that helps.

savagelover said:

Just wanted to say that the loads without gas checks shot all over the place. I got to laughing about it. Glad no one else was there. Lol

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Now you know! Without trying it you would never know. I run my Lee 309 170gn fp gc without checks for a plinking load I have around 1200fps. Still accurate to plink with at 100yds. When I step it up to the 2000fps realm, they don’t shoot for crap without one. I’m glad I checked otherwise I’d be bringing up the cost per round for no real benefit.
I don’t have any handgun molds for gas checked designs, preferring a sharp square base and a nice powder coat but seeing as your shooting them from a rifle, I understand the need