Which primers do you like? And not so much.

Status
Not open for further replies.

gun'sRgood

Member
Joined
Feb 16, 2021
Messages
908
I'm finding that about 2-4 of Winchester's primers are a bit, well, not so much in the QC department. I want to put together some really nice 9's and I'm wondering If CCI or ? would be a better choice? I was the guy telling everyone to get primers as soon as I saw the pandemic hit the USA boarders. I got a bunch but did not take as many as I'd have liked to. Gotta share in times of need.
 
I ran CCI 500 in pistol for 25 years and in the last 10 years bought what was cheapest and saw no changes for pistol at under 50 yards. I used CCI for 223 and 308 during those years as well until recently and now use whatever is cheapest. At the ranges I shoot it is negligible and I see no difference.

other than In highly accurate pistol or rifle at longer than normal ranges primer choice wont make enough of a difference to notice.
 
For pistol, in not very picky, but I dont shoot bullseye either. CCI, Win, S&B, all work for me, and Ive never seen a need to change a load. I havent tried Federal pistol primers, but I would imagine that they will go bang just fine. Remington primers are not available to me, ever.
 
I'm finding that about 2-4 of Winchester's primers are a bit, well, not so much in the QC department.
What does that mean? Please explain.
Seating primer is a two (2) step process:
  1. Initial resistance we feel is the primer anvil feet hitting the bottom of primer pocket
  2. Second resistance we feel is the primer anvil feet pushing against the bottom of primer pocket setting the anvil tip against the priming compound under the cup.
If you stop at step #1 (Above flush or flush, depending on depth of primer pocket), then first primer strike may not ignite the priming compound and just leave a shallow dent on cup while pushing the primer cup deeper and second primer strike will ignite the priming compound.

Your primer cup SHOULD be seated until secondary resistance is felt or about .004" below flush.


Repost from another thread and note the comments about Winchester primers in bold - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...mer-misfires-guns-ammo-article-review.872986/

Came across this Guns & Ammo article on primer misfires that will supplement our discussion on primers - https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/the-truth-about-primer-misfires/247980

BTW, THR thread on primer misfire - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-and-discussions.778197/page-10#post-11386382

US Army AMU on primer seating - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-and-discussions.778197/page-10#post-11403561


G&A article covered primer construction (cup, anvil, and priming compound called "pellet") and operation (When cup is hit, indent from firing pin/striker tip ignites priming compound against the anvil tip)

Interesting thing I noticed from the article was the reliability of primers.

"Based on the SAAMI-specified drop test, statistics will tell you that our [Winchester] primers are 99.9997 percent reliable ... A lead-styphnate primer is probably one of the oldest and most reliable devices on the planet."

Article noted that Black Hills Ammunition (Which uses Winchester primers) who test fires more than 100,000 rounds per year and sells tens of millions of rounds each year, their investigations over the years identified misfires were the result of a defective primer in only a very small number of cases.

"Primers are not perfect — nothing man-made is — but they are very reliable. Statistically, you might encounter a defective primer, if you shoot enough ... 99.9997 percent reliability ... means you might hit a misfire every 300,000 rounds.

Over the years, the average is one rejected primer in about every 250,000, but most of the flaws are minor defects or damage such as slightly out-of-round primers that would have no effect on reliability."

Article attributed most common cause of primer misfires to:
  • Insufficient primer cup indent - Primer was not struck with sufficient force from damaged firing pin (bent or chipped tip) or weak/dragging firing-pin spring or dirty/obstructed spring channel.
  • Excessive headspace - Straight walled semi-auto cartridge, instead of headspacing off case mouth, shorter case headspace off extractor
  • Improper reloading technique - Primer not seated firmly to the bottom of primer pocket moves deeper in the primer pocket when hit by firing pin but anvil tip does not detonate priming compound against the cup
  • Shooter/firearm induced misfires - Slide or bolt is not returned to full battery before firing
"... try this demonstration the next time you go to the range. Unload your rifle. Double-check to make sure it is unloaded. Close the bolt, then raise the bolt very slightly. Squeeze the trigger while watching the bolt handle. You can see the bolt handle snap closed. The energy to make that happen is being robbed from the firing-pin velocity and energy normally used to strike the primer."
  • Variations in brands and lot numbers - Different brand and lot of primers can vary in sensitivity and primer cup hardness (often by design or source material)
  • Contaminated ammunition - Light penetrating oil and long-term storage in damp conditions or submersion in water can desensitize primers
Since misfires due to a defective primer is rare, if you experience a misfire, investigate above list of possible causes to determine the cause to fix the problem.
 
So has anyone loaded S&B small pistol? I picked up 12k of them for $60k haven’t used any yet still have a bunch of CCI win and fed still.
 
The ones I used to be able to by for $30/k!
I'm still working on the ones I spent $25/k for, mostly CCI. It will be a couple of years before I use those up.
That said, I don't get along with Remington primers. Although it seems like my press doesn't really like them.
 
The first primers I ever used when I started reloading were Winchester SPP...haven't used any since

I mostly use CCI for my semi-auto pistols and Federal for my revolvers. If they are close in price, I'd always go with Federal...they are a bit harder to store, but offer generally more reliable ignition.

Lately I've been loading Genix (nickle cup) SPP with great success (only a couple thousand loaded) and I'd rated them a bit harder than Federal, but softer than CCI

The primers I'll never load are Remington...I don't load in their brass either
 
So has anyone loaded S&B small pistol? I picked up 12k of them for $60k haven’t used any yet still have a bunch of CCI win and fed still.
Yes, they are some of the best in my opinion. I have loaded many thousands of them.....when they were $20/K. Never any problem. Wish I could find them to buy, now.
 
I have used many different primers over the years, including match and magnum and haven't notice any significant difference in performance. CCI seem hotter than other brands, but I don't know if that is good or bad unless loading slow burning powders.
Federal does use softer cup metal, so I found them better to be used in revolver cartridges.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top