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Jackrabbit1957
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Looks remarkably like a Mowry.
Jim Watson
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Here is where one sold recently
https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms/P...-V-PERCUSSION-SHOTGUN/lotinformation/68216021
https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms/P...-V-PERCUSSION-SHOTGUN/lotinformation/68216021
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Steel Hayes
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@Jim Watson ,
That’s the one I just won in the auction.
That’s the one I just won in the auction.
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Steel Hayes
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Very similar, but a few differences.
I wonder if the Mowrey is based on this type of smoothbore?
I found a thread on here about the “Mowrey-Mowry” discussion, I’ll have to look into this more. Thanks for the heads up.
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hawg
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It's also similar to an Allen & Thurber. Yes A&T made shotguns. The Mowry internals are nothing like yours. I don't know about the A&T internals as I haven't found a pic of those.
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Allen and Thurber is the name I couldn't remember, thanks Hawg. Never had much interest in that particular design although I did know a fellow who shot a Mowry on rare occasion. His had a really nice maple stock, that's what caught my interest.
Ephraim Kibbey
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From the 1860 US Census on Ancestry:
Name: Wales D Carlton
Age: 36
Birth Year: abt 1824
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Place: New Hampshire
Home in 1860: Woodstock, Windsor, Vermont
Post Office: Woodstock
Dwelling Number: 95
Family Number: 97
Occupation: Gunsmith
Real Estate Value: 2000
Personal Estate Value: 500
Household Members Age
Wales D Carlton 36
Name: Wales D Carlton
Age: 36
Birth Year: abt 1824
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Place: New Hampshire
Home in 1860: Woodstock, Windsor, Vermont
Post Office: Woodstock
Dwelling Number: 95
Family Number: 97
Occupation: Gunsmith
Real Estate Value: 2000
Personal Estate Value: 500
Household Members Age
Wales D Carlton 36
Ephraim Kibbey
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Name: Wales D Carlton
Gender: Male
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 30 Aug 1841
Marriage Place: Woodstock, Vermont, USA
Spouse: Emily J Blossom
Card Type: Groom
Gender: Male
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 30 Aug 1841
Marriage Place: Woodstock, Vermont, USA
Spouse: Emily J Blossom
Card Type: Groom
Ephraim Kibbey
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Name: Wales D. Carlton
Birth Date: 1823
Birth Place: Canaan, Grafton County, New Hampshire, United States of America
Death Date: 23 Aug 1860
Death Place: Salem, Essex County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Cemetery: River Street Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Woodstock, Windsor County, Vermont, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88043936/wales-d.-carlton
Birth Date: 1823
Birth Place: Canaan, Grafton County, New Hampshire, United States of America
Death Date: 23 Aug 1860
Death Place: Salem, Essex County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Cemetery: River Street Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Woodstock, Windsor County, Vermont, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88043936/wales-d.-carlton
Ephraim Kibbey
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Name: Wales D., widr. Carlton (see also Carleton)
Age: 24y
Occupation: machinist
Spouse: Elisabeth Abbbott of Standish, ME.
Spouse Age: 23y
Marriage Date: Apr. 20, 1847
Son/Daughter: s
Parents: John and Rachel
Parents of Spouse: George and Julia
Notes: Intention also recorded.
Age: 24y
Occupation: machinist
Spouse: Elisabeth Abbbott of Standish, ME.
Spouse Age: 23y
Marriage Date: Apr. 20, 1847
Son/Daughter: s
Parents: John and Rachel
Parents of Spouse: George and Julia
Notes: Intention also recorded.
Ephraim Kibbey
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Son:
Rush B Carlton
1842–1864
BIRTH ABT 1842 • Vermont
DEATH ABT 1864 • Vermont, USA
Rush B Carlton
1842–1864
BIRTH ABT 1842 • Vermont
DEATH ABT 1864 • Vermont, USA
Ephraim Kibbey
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Name: Wales D Carlton
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1823
Marriage Date: 20 Apr 1847
Marriage Place: Newburyport, Massachusetts
Marriage Age: 24
Father Name: John Carlton
Mother Name: Rachel Carlton
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Abbott
Spouse Marriage Age: 23
Spouse Father Name: George Abbott
Spouse Mother Name: Julia Abbott
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1823
Marriage Date: 20 Apr 1847
Marriage Place: Newburyport, Massachusetts
Marriage Age: 24
Father Name: John Carlton
Mother Name: Rachel Carlton
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Abbott
Spouse Marriage Age: 23
Spouse Father Name: George Abbott
Spouse Mother Name: Julia Abbott
Ephraim Kibbey
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You may need an Ancestry subscription to see this tree:
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tre...371/facts?_phsrc=lVO40&_phstart=successSource
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tre...371/facts?_phsrc=lVO40&_phstart=successSource
Ephraim Kibbey
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So he was a "Machinist" in 1847 and a "Gunsmith" in 1860 and died that year so your gun was probably made after 1847 and definitely before 1861!
Ephraim Kibbey
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I do not know if this is a relative but folks sometimes do change the spelling of their name over time:
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/en/products/underhammer
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/en/products/underhammer
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Steel Hayes
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@Ephraim Kibbey
Thank you sir, that’s exactly what I needed.
For the life of me, I’m not sure why I hadn’t thought of looking up his name on Ancestry.
The Woodstock V marked on the barrel would definitely be from his town in Vermont.
Thank you sir, that’s exactly what I needed.
For the life of me, I’m not sure why I hadn’t thought of looking up his name on Ancestry.
The Woodstock V marked on the barrel would definitely be from his town in Vermont.
kBob
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wow, I must remember this when my church does a fifth Sunday on Ancestry. Thanks EK
And thanks to Steel Hayes for sharing a neat boom stick with us.
-kBob
And thanks to Steel Hayes for sharing a neat boom stick with us.
-kBob
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Steel Hayes
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A quick update on the history of the smoothbore.
@Ephraim Kibbey so kindly found the original maker, I decided to dig in and have the gun appraised.
The gun was made in 1858 by W.D.Carlton under contract from Springfield to take rifled barrels, rebore smooth, attach his breech and sell the guns to freedmen and former slave that made it north before the war.
Most were sold for next to nothing and used for sustenance.
There is a museum in Vermont that has the only other known copy of this gun.
History is just fascinating.
Ugly Sauce
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I kind of like it.
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