Anyone still carrying with older JHP Ammo?

HST in the gun, for liability reasons (whatever that may actually add up to). Extra mags are full of handloaded XTPs, because they're far cheaper and will still do what needs doing (possibly even better than the HSTs).

Palladan44 said:

Anyone still carrying with older JHP Ammo?

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About 20 years ago, the local Walmart clearanced out a bunch of boxes of .380 and .40 Winchester Silvertip, for about half the then going rate. I've still not worked through it. Mostly I don't shoot much .380 or .40 at this time.

And, somebody just gave me a box of .38 Hydrashock. The box looks old, but not ancient. That I do use.

Palladan44 said:

If I'm worried about liability even slightly, I usually take a full measure to avoid it. Sounds like you're taking a half measure here.

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It's more of a half measure to not carry a backup magazine, but yeah you're right. It's a half measure. In one way.

I'd love to be able to just run to the store and pick up a box of .38 spl NyClads

Good stuff that..

I always chuckle at the threads where folks REALLY get into parsing ammo performance to tenths of an inch of penetration and/or hollow point expansion. That being said, I don't think there is any doubt that today's ammo is better performing overall...

I'm still using Hornady Action Pistol in the 9 and 10MM pistols for practice and XTP's of the same weight to carry.In my Shorty Forty,I'm still using 165 grain Golden Sabers.Bought the pistol in 97,now they say the 40 is dead and I'm shooting an old design bullet in it.Not sure,but I doubt if the bad guys are any tougher than they were back then.I have some 180 grain XTP's loaded in my 10MM 1911 for this coming deer season,and I think they'll work if I put em where they belong.

15 or so years ago I was way more concerned about my equipment, put way to much stock in having the right tools. During that time I “tested” lots and lots of ammo, I basically settled on any bonded bullet, preference going to Gold Dots.

I care much less today about what the projectile is but I still carry Gold Dots.
Also in my book they don’t really classify as “old style” to me. Old style is before Hydra Shocks.

Yes, I've got a bunch of older JHP that have been stashed around the house in years past.
It all goes bang when I get around to shooting it, and it is all quality stuff if not the latest tactical super ammo.

Home rolled Gold Dots

I figure worse case "less expensive" or "outdated" designs will act like ball ammo which still is effective for what it's worth. Especially in heavy for caliber loadings.

I have some 147gr Hydra Shok and HST for my 9MM. I carry the HST preferably but the Hydrashoks wouldn't bother me. I got them pulled for less than ten cents each and that is WITH inflation. Mind you, they had pull marks.

Winchester White Box 147gr JHP was also a favorite "budget" load for me. I used to have a lot of that. I have some Silver tips that wind up in my Keltec or Beretta 81 in the chamber sometimes. I like SWC and full WC loads if that counts. I prefer lead in my revolvers, hard or soft.

If it's really going down..and I can, I do carry and use "modern" designs...The "budget" JHP serve for "last resort" and training mostly. I prefer to load and buy high quality ammo for when it counts most.
My training or "last resort" ammo is usually "older" JHP or ball.

I don't judge anyone for what/how they carry because everyone is different.

Ball ammo has and continues to kill, older hollow point designs still work, and newer ones work better.

I prefer FMJFP And what matters to me most is my bullet hits target first. That's it.

I still have a box of 45 acp winchester black
talons.

I have a box of 357 Super Vels-from 1972. And some W-W Silvertips from 1985. In Shooting to Live W.E. Fairbairn wrote that the Shanghai Police qualified every 3 months, then carried fresh ammo.

OBIWAN !,

I used to use the REMINGTON 155 grain .40 caliber jhp in my BERETTA 96D Brigadier and STOEGER 8040. It had a really noticeable flash and sharp kick in the STOEGER. I switched to FEDERAL HST, 180 grain jhp because some of the BERETTA 96's were so battered by the recoil of the REMINGTON load that they "PEENED" the locking lug slots. The gun would start to work in slow motion. I shot one gun where I could watch the slide go back and forth. It was not blurry and I could easily see it moving.

With modern premioum ammo, you can get the same performance in say a .38 Special that you previously obtained with .357 magnum ammo. I shoot FEDEERAL .38 Special 130 grain jhp HST ammo in my S&W model 15's and RUGER Security Six revolvers. I think that the performance advantage of say a .357 magnum 125 grain jhp load is small, if any for defense use when compared to this .38 Special HST load, Both expand rapidly, but the HST recoils a great deal less.

JIm

Fine Figure of a Man said:

Home rolled Gold Dots

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^^^ same here.

357smallbore said:

They worked then, they work now.

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Exactly

Yes. I am still a fan of the Hornady XTP. They just work.

I seldom used JHP's when I carried a 1911. It's not like a 230 grain bullet needs help. Now that I gave up carrying a 1911 after 48 years I carry a 686 S&W. I occasionally carry JHP's from leftover factory ammo I bought years ago (about 30 years) but mostly now that I load and cast I use semi wadcutters or wadcutters on my revolver.

I still use a Federal hi velocity 125 gr jacketed hollowpoint in my .357s. The boxes are red and white and I assume maybe from the early 90's. But while I love the cartridge and own several, they are mostly range guns and I do not keep one loaded for personal defense. But if I did I would not hesitate to use them. They are awesome bullets.

I've carried old JHPs. I usually shoot them up before they get very old, but I'm pretty sure I have some 20+ year old stuff and I carry it without reservation.

Random 8 said:

Yes. I am still a fan of the Hornady XTP. They just work.

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I have killed several deer with them fired from 44 and 41 mag revovers. Bigger bullets than most SD rounds of course but also much greater distances.

I've killed a black bear in a defensive situation, 2 deer on the side of the road with head shots. All 3 with 9mm 124 grain. They probably penetrate more than one would like in densely populated areas, but are a good fit for my mostly rural rambling. They work.

Fine Figure of a Man said:

Home rolled Gold Dots

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When I was down to my last of factory carry ammos, as a stop-gap, I loaded up some 9mm GoldDots... in the factory Speer nickle cases. Even I can't tell they aren't factory.