Why I Can’t Buy a Sig SF Pistol

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First, I’m NOT intending on bashing Sig Sauer, just venting some frustration (and showing my quirks…)

I was born and raised in NH. I would LOVE to buy from Sig Sauer. And I have, 4 times…and all but one gun went down the road. I am keeping my P290 because if I ever have to loan a handgun to a non-shooting relative, that gun is DA only, restrike, and has a heavy trigger like a DA revolver. I find that inherently safer. Not looking to argue merits of loaning a gun out…I’m NOT a fan but I have sisters in law that live alone in sketchy places…just the way it is. Yes, I’ve taken them shooting as much as they’d go…

I’m basically talking about the P365/P320 lines

I’ll acknowledge that Sig’s DA/SA guns are very nice. No complaints and I’ve shot a bunch. Just not my cup of tea, just like Beretta 92, CZ75, or others, so I’m not buying them because of their category…I’m a striker fire gun shooter by choice.

Things that bug me but I can get past are the cost of accessories, especially magazines, their insistence on coming out with new models every few months, and their seemingly incomplete marketing messages that are kinda confusing…like the way they dealt with the drop-fire issues.

But the reason I couldn’t keep the SF Sigs I’d bought (P320X Compact, P365XL, and M18) is the way the slide rises a bit when I press the trigger. Drives me nuts. A buddy was the first to show me on his…he still has his and it shoots fine, but he doesn’t sell guns so his lives in his safe. And I thought I’d get over it myself…but just cannot. I can shoot the guns okay…but I tend to shoot low regardless how I set the sights (Leupold DPP, irons, and Sig Romeo Zero).

So many folks like these guns…and I want to like them. But until I can find one that doesn’t lift the slide when I press the trigger, I’m just not interested.

I know this sounds like a Troll Post…maybe it is…but not intentional.

Am I the only one who notices this issue (other than my Bud who pointed it out)?

Again, not bashing anyone who owns and likes these guns. They are very popular and for good reason…I really like the variety of ways you can set them up. I like the ergonomics. I like the feel.

But for now, I’m passing, which is sad because I want to support a company making guns in my home state.

Feel free to disagree, but is anyone else in this boat?

YMMV (and probably does)…
 
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Buzznrose said:
I’ll acknowledge that Sig’s SA/DA guns are very nice.
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Arggh, it's DA/SA

The guns start out in Double Action (DA) and subsequent shots are Single Action (SA), hence the proper abbreviation of DA/SA. However, if you have a SIG that shoots the first shot SA and all subsequent shots are DA, without you constantly decocking the gun, I stand corrected.

;)
 
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JTQ said:
Arggh, it's DA/SA

The guns start out in Double Action (DA) and subsequent shots are Single Action (SA), hence the proper abbreviation of DA/SA. However, if you have a SIG that shoots the first shot SA and all subsequent shots are DA, without you constantly decocking the gun, I stand corrected.

;)
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Sorry…fixed it for ya.
 
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JohnKSa said:
I noticed that when I handled a P320 sometime back. I will admit that it was off-putting.
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I guess I’ve done the Gunsite dry fire drill too many times where you place an empty cartridge on the slide and press the trigger smoothly so as to not upset the brass. When I did it with the Sigs, that brass just kept rising and falling no matter what I did…it stayed on the slide, but just moved too much.
 
I hate that sig makes you pay shipping when their gun breaks after 3 years (1 year cpo). To me that's bs. No other company does that. Then their lies and such. They also seem to use customers s beta testers.... more so than some others. Many of their finishes also wear after a single holstering. Lol. I own many sig. Mostly p22x guns but also 3 of their 320. I do like them.

As far as da/sa vs sa/da... maybe it's based on majority of shots fired? Lol. 14 are fired sa vs 1 da. Seems like arguing over whether a revolver is a pistol or a suppressor is a silencer to me. (Both were patented as such by their makers). I do say da/sa.
 
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Buzznrose
But until I can find one that doesn’t lift the slide when I press the trigger, I’m just not interested.
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I have three SIG pistols (P229, P365, and a P320 M18). I just checked and none of them lift up the slide when I press the trigger. No movement of any kind.
 
Any minute phenomenon characteristic to a specific handgun that does not affect accuracy or reliability is of little consequence to me.
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I guess I’ve done the Gunsite dry fire drill too many times where you place an empty cartridge on the slide and press the trigger smoothly so as to not upset the brass.
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If one was required to place an empty brass shell on the slide prior to live fire on the range, or prior to utilizing one's pistol for defensive purposes, "upsetting the brass" would be a concern.

Every one of my SIG striker-fired pistols (I'll be up to six within ten days) have performed excellently, if not superlatively. Fussing about a company's marketing messages ...well, just more needless worrying. I'm more concerned about a product's performance than the crap that comes out of the top offices' talking heads, lawyers and hired ad agencies, few of whom ever prove to know anything about the actual guns..
 
Buzznrose said:
But until I can find one that doesn’t lift the slide when I press the trigger, I’m just not interested.
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I don't get it...what actually happens?

EDIT: I just watched a Youtube video. Apparently all of the striker fired SIG pistols do this. When you pull the trigger, the sear lifts up on the striker a little.

But here's the deal. You're dealing with less than a millimeter of visible movement.

Realistically, you have two choices. You can either accept that it's the nature of the beast, or you can choose not to buy a striker fired SIG.
 
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Most if not all of them only move the slide if the magazine is empty.Put a round or two in the mag and it doesn't move.I have 3 P320's and 3 P365's and all of them are great guns.Accurate,reliable,good ergonomics.Hard to find fault with them.
 
WVRJ said:
Most if not all of them only move the slide if the magazine is empty.Put a round or two in the mag and it doesn't move.I have 3 P320's and 3 P365's and all of them are great guns.Accurate,reliable,good ergonomics.Hard to find fault with them.
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Yes! Shoot the gun with a loaded magazine. Then get back to us.

Ok, I will admit when I first realized this I went "what the heck?"
And now about 250k later I hear the question and I go "huh? oh yeah, whatever"

It's not a big deal unless you think it is. You obviously think it is. So buy a gun that makes you happy; way too many options; life is way too short to do anything else.

Edited to add: I'm talking to the OP; not to @WVRJ
 
I get it.
Glocks trigger my OCD because you can see clean THROUGH them if you hold 'em just right. It ain't natural, I say, dangnabbit!

That said, I would still carry one on duty and trust my life to it- as long as it was purchased with the departments money, lol.

I played with an extremely worn BHP once that would tilt the slide 5 deg. to port when the trigger waa pulled, so I guess 1mm or so straight up isnt quite so bad....;)
 
So, if one filled the mag with dummy rounds or snap caps, no slide lift, right? Striker guns are frustrating for the Gunsite drill anyway because you have to slightly pull the slide back to reset the striker/trigger after each pull. I learned that drill with a Sig SP2022. Polymer DA/SA. No need to touch the slide, and no raising up on an empty mag.
 
If this is something that only happens when the trigger is pulled, while there is not a loaded mag in place, I do not see what the fuss is all about. Dry fire can be accomplished with dummy rounds in the mag. Live fire is normally accomplished with a loaded mag in place. It seems to be that simple. No?

It is not that I feel compelled to defend SIG’s striker-fired pistols, as I have not been a fan, and am especially leery of the P320-series. I used DA/SA and DAK SIGs as duty pistols, which I had to buy, when less-expensive options were available, so, obviously, I have some affection affection for the “classic” SIGs.
 
I didn’t start this thread to slam or bash Sig pistols. I have a several friends who love their P320’s. I see a LOT of them in the IDPA shoots I attend. They are very popular.

I was looking for some points of view that I may have been missing…and I definitely got a few things to consider.

I’ve been looking for an alternative platform to my Glocks. I’m looking to add a few more optics ready pistols. I’ve been pretty much only a Glock shooter since 2010, and I doubt I’ll be getting rid of many of them. Glocks are FAR from perfect, but I’m used to them…and they are easy for me to use and maintain.

There are several I considered. Being originally from NH, wanted to see if Sig would be a good choice for me. I bought a P320X Compact. Mounted a DPP on it. Ran drills from a holster. Shot a lot of rounds. But after a while, the slide thing ended up being the deciding factor. It’s minor, and it’s not a big deal for most, nor should it be. Most folks probably don’t even feel or know about it…but it just wasn’t my cup of tea.

I’d also bought an almost new P365X…and it was nice and shot fine, just not enough for me to become a replacement for what I already carry.

So I’m looking at other stuff. Not in a hurry. The Walther PDP line is a maybe….

Sorry if I ruffled any feathers…didn’t mean to.
 
Nothing wrong with Glocks. I am not a “fan,” but, find them useful. I choose to limit the number of different pistol systems that I use, because different systems have nuances that may cause some level of conflict. Notably, when I was using a SIG P229 DAK duty pistol, from 2004 to 2015, I found that it was best to get rid of all of the Gen3 Glocks that I had previously used, because a shooting session with a Glock could cause me to then not allow the SIG’s trigger to reset far enough. I did return to Glock, for “orthopedic” reasons, in 2015, this time with the Gen4 G17, which fit me far better than the Gen3 G22 pistols I had used 2002 to 2004. Transitioning to a G17 duty pistol, as soon as my chief re-authorized 9mm to be a duty pistol cartridge, meant that I could train more with a street-relevant amount of recoil, with my aging hands.

FWIW, Glock is not the only auto-pistol system I use. I have found that there is no conflict when I use both Glock and 1911 pistols. I doubt that I will ever be as accurate with a Glock, as with a 1911, or with some specific medium-frame DA revolvers, but there is no conflict that results in reduced performance, if I train with Glock, 1911, and long-stroke DA handguns.

My feathers were not ruffled, and I hope that my previous post’s “tone” did not indicate that. ;)
 
I’m in your camp.

I have a 229 40 police trade in that is an awesome pistol. Because it was a trade in, it came with a few more mags than factory which was a plus since Sig mags were quite expensive at the time.

I have barely looked at the 365 and have basically not acknowledged the P320. Admittedly, my pistol tastes have not caught up with the more modern offerings.
 
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