Time for a new 1911

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chaim

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I love 1911s. I haven't had a full sized steel 1911 for around 15 years now (maybe a little less). I was going to sell both my RIA 1911CS (Officer sized steel gun) and 1st gen S&W 1911PD (scandium alloy Commander sized gun) and get a Colt, Kimber, SA or Dan Wesson. However, while I'm not 100% about returning 1911s to carry use, this will be a home defense gun in addition to a range gun. In case I do add 1911s back to my carry rotation, I will be keeping the 1911SC, so it will be more money out of pocket, and I'm cutting back a bit on the overall price limit. Also, I was comfortable with Kimber for range use, but since the Series II, their reliability isn't what it once was so I'm not as sure about them for self-defense usage. Then again, I stopped paying close attention a few years ago and they may have finally got things back together (I know the Kimber Micro and Micro-9 seem popular, and these are not range guns).

Some considerations:
  • This will be for both range fun and home defense. I want a 5" barrel and a steel gun
  • I will likely put night sights on it, so dovetails front and back to save money is my preference.
  • Since this is partially a home defense gun, and since I'll likely add night sights, I don't need adjustable sights.
  • Even though a gun light would be an advantage on a home defense gun, I don't usually like rails on guns that weren't originally designed for them. This is all the more so on a 1911. I'll prefer to stick with my handheld SureFire tactical light and go without the rail (but for the right used gun, I might change my mind).
  • I definitely want this gun in .45ACP.
  • I prefer a GI half guide rod over a full length guide rod for easier take down and reassembly. Though, this won't make or break my decision. Both of my more compact 1911s have full length guide rods so I certainly can break them down and reassemble them, and if I really want the standard guide rod, I can buy an aftermarket part.
  • It is nearly a toss up between stainless, blue or two-tone.
  • My preferred range is under $800, I really don't want to go over $1000, and my absolute max is about $1250.
I'm primarily considering:
  • Colt. Of course, it is the standard. However, other than a fairly stripped gun with a fixed front sight will be nearly impossible to get in my price range. Maybe if I see the right used example.
  • Springfield Armory. I've long been interested in a Loaded, and I really like the feature set and value of the newer Garrison line.
  • Kimber. Still on the list, there aren't many better looking guns in their price range. I'd likely go with the Custom II. But, I do have reliability concerns.
  • SIG. I love SIG guns, by reputation they seem to do a good 1911 (or they did when I was last looking at 1911s). They may be pushing my price range a bit much though, and most have rails. Though they aren't quite traditional 1911s (external extractor, not that that is a deal breaker).
  • Rock Island Armory. Mine isn't 100%, but I chalk up the 1-2% failure rate that matters (FTF, stovepipes, etc.) to it being an Officer sized gun. RIA has a great reputation for the price, so I have no reason to believe I'd have the same issues with a full sized gun, and they are a great value when it comes to the features you get for the price. The one issue that might transfer, I understand mags are a weak point. On mine, it usually fails to lock open when I use the Officer sized mag that came with the gun. When I use my 8 round 1911 mags from a variety of makers (mostly MacGar, Kimber and Wilson), it locks open on every shot. If I have to throw away the mag/mags that come with the RIA full size, it wouldn't be that big of a deal.
  • Ruger. They seem to have got it right with their version of a 1911. Price is good for quality, though in the same price range as the Garrison (and I think I'd prefer the SA).
My leanings are the SA Garrison or Ruger. I can't drop the RIA, I can get a similar feature set for around $200 less. If Kimber has their act back together they may move to the top though, very few 1911s in that price range look nearly as good as their guns.

It has been a while since I've really taken a close look at 1911s, and things do change over the years. So, I would welcome feedback on my choices,


Edit: The S&W I have is the 1st gen 1911Sc, which shortly after became the 1911PD. Hence my confusion using both model numbers, but mine definitely is a 1911SC.
 
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I like SA 1911’s. Had good luck with my two, a Mil Spec and Loaded. The SA Ronin and Garrison are popular options. The SA TRP is too, albeit well beyond your stated price cap.

SA customer service is great, if you ever need it. Helpful in case you have any issues.
 
I do not believe that Kimber is as good as all the hype. I had three, and, well, they struck out, even though they were 1997 to 1999 guns, which were supposedly before the era of problem Kimbers. Their accuracy was wonderful, but their reliability was not so good.

I had good luck with two Series 80 Colt Government Models, and with a full-sized, all-steel Springfield Armory Inc pistol made in the early to mid-Nineties. (My other full-sized, all-steel 1911 pistols are Les Baer, so, out of the specified price range.) If I were to want to expand my inventory of 1911 pistols, I would not hesitate to buy Colt of Springfield Armory again.

I do not have informed opinions on SIG, Ruger, or Rock Island Armory 1911 pistols, because I have no experience with them.
 
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I have three RIA 1911's, all full-sized.

One is a special model 40 caliber double stack that I had to send back to the factory 2-3 times. It now functions 100% with factory ammo. I bought it NiB for not much. It's too large for a lot of shooters and the LGS couldn't move it for months.

I bought the 9mm (sold under their Citadel brand) used for very cheap at the same LGS. It gets shot a lot. The slide doesn't hold open after the last shot. I think it's the two mags that came with it. I don't really care. It's just a range toy - one of my favorites, in fact.

The 45acp was NiB, very affordable, and has given me zero problems. It's nice-looking and a good shooter.

I also had a Turkish Tisas GI Model, which functioned well but "had" to be traded away.

It's kind of hard for me to wrap my mind around paying a lot for a 1911, since my inexpensive ones are such good shooters.

 
I had a RIA mid size (commander) in .45acp. It was perfect—bought used. I learned how 1911s work with that one. Replaced the thumb safety and grip safety with parts that fit me better. Still 100% but I traded it toward a Dan Wesson Heritage. Beautiful FS 1911 that is 100%— always has been.

I still have a RIA mid-size double-stack in 9mm/.22TCM that runs perfectly in either caliber.

Hard to beat the value of an RIA.

But, having a “nicer” 1911 is icing on the cake!
 
I have a Ruger full size. It seems to shoot fine. It's sighted in for 230gr Ball from the factory. Sites are three dot and it has a flat mainspring housing. I sold my S&W 1911PD scandium commander and bought the Ruger. The Ruger is much more pleasant to shoot, as it should be since it has a longer barrel and is all steel.
 
I had a Springfield Armory 1911A1 for many years but I always seem to gravitate back to Colts when I have the opportunity. These two Government Models (one's a Lightweight version with an aluminum alloy frame while the other one is all steel) are what I currently have in the way of full size 1911s. The Lightweight Model can be a range gun and can double as a CCW while the standard Service Model is my dedicated range 1911 and also used for load testing.

At the time I bought them some 11 years ago according to the dealer I got them from, Colt was making some of the best 1911s that they had ever made in a very long while. The barrel to slide and the slide to frame were closely fitted and the triggers on both guns were great right out of the box. All in all two well made and finished Colt 1911s.
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I have had two Kimber 3” 45 acp models and both were/are flawless with Wilson Combat magazines. The Kimber supplied magazines in the ones I have were not up to the flawless cycling tests. They are very accurate as well.

You can’t go wrong with a Colt as they hold their value well.
 
I have SA Ronin .45 5", 9MM 4.25" and Range Officer Target model 9mm 5" and not one problem with any. The Garrison on your list would be my choice if finances allowed over the RIA. I know they have great customer service if needed.
 
OP I've got three 5" stainless 45ACP 1911's that I rotate taking to the range fairly regular and run 100 rounds of my 230gr. jacketed ball ammo through shooting at the 25 yd. steel plates.....SA Mil-Spec, S & W 'E' Series and a Ruger SR1911.

All three have proven to be dependable and I can't tell where one is more accurate than the other.
 
Well, that was quick this time...

I had it to the SA (Garrison or Ronin about equally likely, Loaded a possibility), Kimber Custom II, RIA Rock or a Colt (either the Competiton or Classic). I posted on a MD gun forum to see if anyone knew of any available locally (well, the Kimber is easy to find). Someone linked to a local FFL selling the Garrison at a good price. I ordered it online and will go fill out the paperwork on Sat. Unfortunately, MD has a 7 day waiting period so that means it will be about 11 days until I get it in my hands.
 
I have more 1911s in the safe than I can readily count. in 45, 9 and 10mm. Got on a wild kick some time back to have one from every maker I could find. Stalled when I got to the really expensive ones. Found a Baer CMP hardball at a stupid good price - but kinda doubting I will ever add the wilson, brown, or Nighthawk to the stable.

That being said, my favorite one still remains my DW silverback. IMO dollar for dollar I have yet to see anything more expensive - fit, function, and shoot better. it's a tie for my most accurate 1911 in 45 with my S&W performance series - but that one needed tuning and more than one trip back to S&W. This thing just shoots. I've since had a pointman 9 and a heritage, and they are all fantastic examples. the QC appears very consistent between several years running. the PM-9 was manufactured in the height of covid and is of the same quality as my silverback I bought back in 2015.

the Ruger SR1911 was the first one I bought, and has remained rock solid at 14,000 rounds and counting. It has also been a fantastic 1911. I wouldn't hesitate to use that for defense either.

Ironically the lightest and smoothest trigger OOB - was a RIA XT22. After a truly ridiculous amount of effort to get it to shoot reliably, which I did achieve - I swapped the upper out for a Nelson Custom .22 conversion.
 
I am not a collector/accumulator but basically a shooter. With that said I have two examples of the 1911 series pistol a Colt and Springfield. The Colt was my Bullseye piece and the Springfield my non Bullseye shooter. Both are semiretired.
 
Well, that was quick this time...

I had it to the SA (Garrison or Ronin about equally likely, Loaded a possibility), Kimber Custom II, RIA Rock or a Colt (either the Competiton or Classic). I posted on a MD gun forum to see if anyone knew of any available locally (well, the Kimber is easy to find). Someone linked to a local FFL selling the Garrison at a good price. I ordered it online and will go fill out the paperwork on Sat. Unfortunately, MD has a 7 day waiting period so that means it will be about 11 days until I get it in my hands.
Congrats on your incoming SA Garrison. I hope yours is every bit as good as my Mil Spec and Loaded models are!
 
I have more 1911s in the safe than I can readily count. in 45, 9 and 10mm. Got on a wild kick some time back to have one from every maker I could find. Stalled when I got to the really expensive ones. Found a Baer CMP hardball at a stupid good price - but kinda doubting I will ever add the wilson, brown, or Nighthawk to the stable.

My goal is to eventually get one of the really nice ones. Not sure between Les Baer or Wilson. If I don't manage to do it sooner, it might be my retirement gift to myself in 10-15 years.
 
My goal is to eventually get one of the really nice ones. Not sure between Les Baer or Wilson. If I don't manage to do it sooner, it might be my retirement gift to myself in 10-15 years.
Both excellent picks!
 
I've just gotten around to this thread and, while I don't recommend any 1911 to just anyone anymore, I agree with the Springfield-Armory choice.
Here's S-A's webpage for whichever model the OP ordered:
https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-garrison-handguns/

Among others over the years, I have had three Kimbers and three Colts, and cannot recommend these brands. With some extra time, money, and shipping back & forth, then perhaps they'd be ok for an owner who might shoot a lot.

With that said, my first 1911, a 1988-era Colt Combat Elite" was actually pretty darn good, but would be hard-to-find in original condition at this point being 34 years later. I still do have a Kimber "SIS Custom", but I was recently very disappointed Kimber wouldn't replace its front sight which fractured-while-shooting-it, even at my cost.

Another brand of 1911 I had bad luck with was Ruger, but only tried, Ruger one time.

My most recent 1911, a Springfield-Armory "Professional", while out of the OP's price range, is very good with few complaints. I like it. My one recommendation regarding a Springfield 1911 is to measure the existing titanium firing pin, and buy a steel aftermarket replacement. As Springfield might have a couple of firing pin sizes it'll use, that's why I recommend measuring the diameter of its primer-striking-end to ensure getting the right size.

Here's an "ED BROWN" weblink which describes its steel-replacement firing pins if interested:
https://www.edbrown.com/product/1911-firing-pins/

Somehow, I bent the original titanium firing pin in my "Professional" (unless it was bent when I bought it used, but don't think it was).
 
I've just gotten around to this thread and, while I don't recommend any 1911 to just anyone anymore, I agree with the Springfield-Armory choice.
Here's S-A's webpage for whichever model the OP ordered:
https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-garrison-handguns/

Among others over the years, I have had three Kimbers and three Colts, and cannot recommend these brands. With some extra time, money, and shipping back & forth, then perhaps they'd be ok for an owner who might shoot a lot.

With that said, my first 1911, a 1988-era Colt Combat Elite" was actually pretty darn good, but would be hard-to-find in original condition at this point being 34 years later. I still do have a Kimber "SIS Custom", but I was recently very disappointed Kimber wouldn't replace its front sight which fractured-while-shooting-it, even at my cost.

Another brand of 1911 I had bad luck with was Ruger, but only tried, Ruger one time.

My most recent 1911, a Springfield-Armory "Professional", while out of the OP's price range, is very good with few complaints. I like it. My one recommendation regarding a Springfield 1911 is to measure the existing titanium firing pin, and buy a steel aftermarket replacement. As Springfield might have a couple of firing pin sizes it'll use, that's why I recommend measuring the diameter of its primer-striking-end to ensure getting the right size.

Here's an "ED BROWN" weblink which describes its steel-replacement firing pins if interested:
https://www.edbrown.com/product/1911-firing-pins/

Somehow, I bent the original titanium firing pin in my "Professional" (unless it was bent when I bought it used, but don't think it was).
The Professional is a really nice pistol. Congrats on owning that one
 
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