Fiocchi to build primer manufacturing facility in Arkansas

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Two articles on Fiocchi establishing a primer manufacturing facility in Arkansas:


1. Italian ammo maker plans to build $41.5M factory at the Port of Little Rock, add 120 jobs



The gist of the effort is to make lead free primers, something I support. It used to be that the OSHA workplace limit for lead in the air was 80 micro grams per cubic meter. Well just take a look at how much lead if blown out in front of your face with one round of a 158 Lead bullet in a 38 Special



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Each lead bullet blows 5643 micrograms of lead by itself, the primer about 402 micrograms. There is about 6000 micrograms of lead per round floating around your face, and if you happen to be an air breathing animal, you take that microscopic lead into your lungs, where it goes directly into your blood stream.

Switching to fully copper plated bullets, jacketed, full metal jacket or otherwise greatly reduces the lead contribution from the bullet. But until lead free primers come on the market, you can't do a thing about the 400 micrograms per shot of lead that goes up the tube ever shot.

I do get my blood tested for each physical and I have elevated lead levels, and it goes up during the shooting season. I asked my Doc where the stuff goes. It goes from my blood into my bones, and brain! The stuff does not leave the body, it just accumulates.

Anyway, any increase in production of primers is a good thing, and if they can make reliable, trouble free lead free primers, than that is a double good thing. I have heard some negative comments about lead free primers, but until I get my hand on a batch, I have no idea of the veracity of the claims.


2. Italian ammo maker plans to build $41.5M factory at the Port of Little Rock, add 120 jobs
Update: Fiocchi to Expand With $42M Plant at Little Rock Port

Ammunition maker Fiocchi of America on Tuesday announced that it's expanding operations in Little Rock, investing $41.5 million in a new lead-free primer manufacturing facility at the Little Rock Port.


The market for "green" primer is expanding as leaded ammunition faces increasing restrictions in the U.S. and abroad. The Biden administration is banning hunters from using leaded ammunition at multiple National Wildlife Refuges after years of research showing it causes secondary poisoning in wildlife, which contaminates food chains and harms biodiversity. Hunting groups and environmental organizations alike believe the rule, which takes effect in 2026, could eventually apply to other public lands.


Overseas, total bans have been approved or are under consideration. Denmark has made it illegal for hunters to use leaded ammunition as of April 2024, while the United Kingdom is weighing a similar rule that would take effect the same year.


As Fiocchi of America General Manager Jared Smith sees it, lead-free "is where primer manufacturing will go" and the new plant in Little Rock positions the company to lead the market. Not only will it be the only dedicated "green" primer plant in the world, it will be one of just six primer manufacturing operations in the U.S.
 
Nice, more primers for us, more jobs for people to.

Years ago I got some lead free primers from Livelife (BDS), I forget who made them but they all seemed to work fine.

Also a while back I had serious blood lead issues from shooting at an indoor range (and using cast lead bullets),
stopped shooting at the indoor range and changed to plated/jacketed bullets.

I would recommend anyone who shoots at an indoor range get their blood lead level checked, it can be sky high and you can feel fine.
I just asked my Doc to check it (after hearing it should be checked if you shoot indoors), he thought I was nuts but checked it anyway.
(my insurance covered the test, some will, some won't)
Came back over 65:eek: (Doc no longer thought I was nuts:)){edit typo said 85 they were over 65}
I got letters/phone call for the State. (so much for HIPPA, the lab has to report it to the state)
Indoor ranges can be done right but after some research it seems a large % are not.
 
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Years ago I got some lead free primers from Livelife (BDS), I forget who made them

blood lead level checked ... Came back over 85:eek: (Doc no longer thought I was nuts:))
They were PMC Lead-Free made in Russia.

Yikes! My BLL went up to 12 and got notified by Public Health and I had to take corrective actions to bring it down to 8 (Lead-Free primers looked like gold then to eliminate lead dust from primers) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ealth-information.307170/page-12#post-9625420

Fiocchi establishing a primer manufacturing facility in Arkansas ... to make lead free primers
I am shooting the last remaining Lead-Free PMC primers and it would be good to have another source. :thumbup:
 
If the only lead free primers came from Russia, that might be a reason Fiocchi is creating this primer factory in the US. And to ward off spurious future import bans of foreign firearm components. No one knows when we will punish the Italians for not being of the proper ideology and ban their firearms and ammunition components.

Gen Z cannot exist without their phones, and that is why importation of Chinese ammunition is prohibited, but not Chinese cell phones.
 
Only problem with lead free primers is they appear to be a little weak. Expect trouble lighting off ballpowder in partially filled magnum pistol calibers.
Fast burning single base flake, no problem.
Double base flake, probably good.
I prefer plated or jacketed base bullets as I usually am using a silencer.
 
If the only lead free primers came from Russia, that might be a reason Fiocchi is creating this primer factory in the US. And to ward off spurious future import bans of foreign firearm components. No one knows when we will punish the Italians for not being of the proper ideology and ban their firearms and ammunition components.

Gen Z cannot exist without their phones, and that is why importation of Chinese ammunition is prohibited, but not Chinese cell phones.
The inept Obama administration banned the import of Russian ismash rifles and shot guns. So kalashnikov concerne built a factory in the US and makes them on modern tooling and sells them here.
So now we get more, better, more assaulty styled guns than we could ever get imported from russia.
Let's go gun grabbers.
 
I bought several thousand Murom(Russian) HMF(heavy metal free) SPP primers two years ago. I tried them with HP-38 using Hodgdon data as usual. Some shot very weak sounding leaving unburnt powder on my revolver cylinder and barrel. I quit shooting before I had a squib. When I contacted the seller he said to try Titegroup or I could get a refund and keep the primers (2K)The slightly faster burning Titegroup has worked very well with the HMF primers using 158gr Xtreme RNFP , 125gr XTP & 125gr Xtreme FP for 38spl. I bought another 3K and wish I'd bought more.
 
I bought several thousand Murom(Russian) HMF(heavy metal free) SPP primers two years ago. I tried them with HP-38 using Hodgdon data as usual. Some shot very weak sounding leaving unburnt powder on my revolver cylinder and barrel.
For PMC non-toxic SP primers, I needed to use .2-.3 gr more of W231/HP-38 for my reference 9mm/40S&W/45ACP loads.
 
I agree; more primer supply, fantastic!

Safer primers? Sure, sounds good.

Compromised reliability and/or longevity ie: limited shelf life, no thanks.

I'm 51 years old and have been shooting since I was 6.

Had blood lead levels checked for the first time last year and everything was normal.
However, I've never shot indoors.
 
More ammo/component manufacturing in AR? Yes, please.

In 2021 I drove up Interstate 49 to tour the Pea Ridge Battlefield. I was amazed at all the new businesses going from Fayetteville through Springdale. Lots of semi's hauling heavy stuff. Beatiful state Arkansas, and I visited the State Fair in Little Rock. Loved it. So, Wooo Pig Sooie Arkansas!
 
lead free primers means they will cost 2-3 times more then the overpriced standard primers. when the factory opens there will be 350K guys from 65-80 in line buying all they got
my uncle was a plumber for 50 years starting in the 30's when they drilled holes with a brace and bit drill. used lead that long. as a kid at 13 me and my brother helped him. I remember a big lead pot with melted lead for all the cast iron joints. he lived to 89.
 
I agree; more primer supply, fantastic!

Safer primers? Sure, sounds good.

Compromised reliability and/or longevity ie: limited shelf life, no thanks.

I'm 51 years old and have been shooting since I was 6.

Had blood lead levels checked for the first time last year and everything was normal.
However, I've never shot indoors.
The Russian HMF (lead free)spp I used were mfg. in Oct. 1999 and not one dud yet after 2K shot.
 
The inept Obama administration banned the import of Russian ismash rifles and shot guns. So kalashnikov concerne built a factory in the US and makes them on modern tooling and sells them here.
So now we get more, better, more assaulty styled guns than we could ever get imported from russia.
Let's go gun grabbers.


I dont want to derail the thread but Im curious as to when/where Kalashnikov Concern built a factory in America? As far as I know they do not have any operations in the US. I know there is a company called Kalashnikov USA, based out of Florida that has nothing to do with the Russian arms maker, but some people believe they are connected.
 
The Fiocchi lead-free primers were never Russian-sourced. Fiocchi makes them in Italy and has done so for decades and has improved them over several generations of design. They are supplied to NATO forces.
The Fiocchi lead-free primers are based on DDNP (Diazodinitrophenol), unlike Federal's Catalyst lead-free primers which use a different initiator.
Federal (Vista Outdoors) has indicated that they have no plans to make the Catalyst primers available to reloaders.
DDNP has a higher brisance than B lead-styphnate, the initiator used in most common primers. This higher brisance creates quite a bit more pressure in the primer pocket. Some people have noted peening of the breech face around the firing pin due to this higher pressure. One solution is to enlarge the flash hole to relieve the pressure. I have not found that necessary with Starline brass in handgun and rifle.
Fiocchi's lead-free primers do not necessarily create higher pressure in the case. They're used with the same reloading data as regular primers.
While the higher brisance of DDNP does not create excessive pressure outside the primer pocket in the main case body, it also doesn't necessarily ignite powder better than lower brisance B lead-styphnate.
One study that used the Russian DDNP primers and not Fiocchi DDNP primers, indicated greater inconsistency in velocity using DDNP primers. This study has come to widely characterize DDNP primers even though it was based on one primer that has not been widely available in the US for many years.
More recently, a study was done using ATK lead-free (DDNP) primers sourced from Federal (not available as a component, but only in loaded ammo). This study found DDNP had the highest blast pressures of the primers tested. It also found that DDNP had the longest ignition delays, and often misfired when subjected to high heat and humidity.

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1410/1410.6390.pdf

I've used about 15,000 of the Fiocchi lead-free primers in small pistol and small rifle. I've never been disappointed with their performance. They are not suitable for all applications. The small pistol primers are not suitable for igniting magnum cases full of slow ball powders like H110 or Lil'Gun. That's not a problem with the primers, but a misapplication.

Using these primers with some powders does not provide extreme consistency (single digit SD) in velocity. But there are powders where the consistency with these primers is as good or better than anything. I can get a 5-shot SD of 5 fps with Titegroup (which Hodgdon specifically claims works great with lead-free primers). There are other powders that work well with the DDNP primers and they are not all of one theme. Titegroup is a fast powder and high nitroglycerin powder, but VV N105 delivers very consistent performance with these primers and it is single-based and slow (for handgun). While I have not been able to measure very low SD's with some powders, they still shoot very reliably and accurately -- BE 86, Power Pistol, Longshot, Blue Dot. I've used the DDNP rifle primers with H335 and not had any problems. I've fired about 1200 of them, but have not been able to change so many variables as I have been able to with handgun rounds.

The Fiocchi primers burn incredibly clean. My fired cases are cleaner than most people's cases coming out of their tumbler. I can shoot 500 rounds through a revolver and there will be no black carbon whatsoever, just a little orange copper fouling and a light grey film that wipes off. After firing 3 rounds with DDNP primers, my rifle takes 2 or 3 patches of Hoppes #9 (or Breakfree CLP or Mpro 7) before they come out clean. With 3 rounds of factory ammo (B lead-styphnate primers), the first 3 patches come out black, and it takes 8 or 9 patches before they come out clean.

My blood lead level is "none." My reloading area is also free of any lead contamination. My kids are safe from lead poisoning.

Lead-free primers need more work. They do have some performance issues, and I think those are well characterized by the study I linked: https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1410/1410.6390.pdf
I hope DDNP or another, different technology improves on what we have today.
However, I am totally convinced over many years of use, over 15,000 primers used, and their total reliability -- I've used them hunting with success and used them exclusively in over 100 hours of costly training classes at out-of-state schools -- that the Fiocchi primers made today are good enough for all my use. I will not claim that they meet everyone's needs, but they meet all of mine.
 
I never thought about high lead levels from shooting ,guess i know now. Thank you for the lead awareness check .I think a new primer co. is a great thing !
 
FWIW, I paid $0.035 to $0.04 per primer for the Fiocchi in 2019. I'll buy more when they're at reasonable prices adjusted for the continuing loss in the value of the dollar. An inflation-adjusted price today would be $0.463, but they're not likely to be available at that price until supply catches up to demand which could be years away still. I do think the price of primers will come down from around the $0.07 to $0.10 they are today to $0.05. Even lower prices are possible if there is a glut. But we cannot begrudge the retail supply chain for not offering us primers for the prices of yesteryear. It's not their fault the 99 cents for a box grandpa paid is now worth a fraction what it was back then.

At the time I posted this, the Fiocchi lead-free primers were available from https://thecastlearms.com/product/f...mers-standard-primer-mixture-1500-primers-2-1 at an absurd price. I always bought them from Grafs for very reasonable prices and I am sure they will return there when things settle.
 
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