Decided on a scope and questions about a rifle. Opinions.

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First, let me say that I plan on buying a new rifle this summer. I want to use the Vortex Razor HD Gen II 4.5-27x56 Rifle Scope on my 308 until then. It will give me thousands of more rounds of practice at longer distances and more experience reloading.

I was wondering what you guys thought as I want to start doing summer competitions.

Thanks all.
 
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With that kind of money, I would be looking at building a rifle around a known good barrel maker on a blue printed action of your choice. And it wouldn’t be in 6.5 Manbun for long range precision rifle competition.
 
C-grunt said:
You're into actual custom built rifle pricing there. Go get a custom built competition rifle, not a gussied up factory rig. You're already waiting so the build time doesn't matter.
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Do you have a site where I can learn about it. Get information on what to buy? I want to learn but don't know the reputable sites to look at.
 
That sounds like a nice piece of glass! …and I like your idea of learning it with the lower cost of the .308. I think it will give you a leg up when you switch platforms.

I don’t agree with the 6.5CM… I think you would have better luck with heavier bullets in .308, in lieu of a long-action cartridge, but if that’s what you want to try… give it a go! Although I’m not experienced or schooled in such things, it seems like a custom action would be the hot ticket, vs a stock rifle and action. Just my thoughts…
 
MR WICK said:
Do you have a site where I can learn about it. Get information on what to buy? I want to learn but don't know the reputable sites to look at.
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You got several competitors here. Depends on which competition you are wanting to compete in. A PRS rifle, a benchrest rifle, a F class rifle, and a ELR rifle are going to be set up different. Well at least if you want to be competitive.

I went with Alamo Precision Rifles for my first custom build. I wanted my modern take on a M24/M40 rifle. I talked on the phone with several builders including GA Precision, Bugholes, Badrock, Owens Armory, and MPA discussing what I wanted. Alamp Precision is pretty well known in the ELR world from what I read so I knew they could build an accurate rifle. My rifle came out to right around 3k dollars and was built to how I wanted. Barrel length, profile, chambering, color scheme, trigger, etc. It took about 5 months after some delays due to Covid supply chain issues.

Before I ordered the rifle I was looking at similarly priced production guns from Bergara, Christensen, Proof, etc. All were nice rifles and probably shoot similarly to my APR. But none of them came close to the fit and finish that only happens when a skilled craftsman builds the rifle. I like those high end production rifles. I LOVE my rifle.

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Also, have you purchased the Razor Gen 2 yet? It's a fantastic optic, but the gen 3 is out now and only slightly more expensive.
 
I shot a Christensen recently and was impressed with the quality, there was a nice Bergara there also that was nice for a production gun
 
The Browning is another misguided selection which would be a gross waste of money for what you’re buying.

It’s not a proper built or equipped rifle for benchrest or F-class, and even though it kinda looks like a PRS rifle to the untrained eye, it’ll get eaten alive by actual custom PRS rifles, many of which cost LESS than that factory wannabe.

Not to mention - because I’m repeating myself here - 6.5 creed is a poor choice, largely for any of these disciplines. It can play, but spending that amount to build the wrong rifle in the wrong cartridge seems ridiculous.

Absolutely hands down, it’s not an ELR rifle. No 6.5 creed is even allowed in ELR matches.
 
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Varminterror said:
The Browning is another misguided selection which would be a gross waste of money for what you’re buying.

It’s not a proper built or equipped rifle for benchrest or F-class, and even though it kinda looks like a PRS rifle to the untrained eye, it’ll get eaten alive by actual custom PRS rifles, many of which cost LESS than that factory wannabe.

Not to mention - because I’m repeating myself here - 6.5 creed is a poor choice, largely for any of these disciplines. It can play, but spending that amount to build the wrong rifle in the wrong cartridge seems ridiculous.

Absolutely hands down, it’s not an ELR rifle. No 6.5 creed is even allowed in ELR matches.
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Understanding and getting there. I only have myself and my ability to do research. I typed in, "What the pro's use competition bench rest." That's where I found the rifle I did. Then I watched many reviews. It looks like I am going to try and build my own. I'm going to call Alamo as C-Grunt listed as he is into competitions and obviously did research himself.

Forgive me if I am asking the same question. If not 6.5 Creed which seems to be the "new" rage then what? 300 Win, 6.5 Grendel, 338 Lupa, 6mm Creed, 243 Win, 224 Valykerie?

C-Grunt I sent you a DM. Hope that's cool.
 
MR WICK said:
Wow. Those are some well built and gorgeous Rifles. Going to investigate. I like this one in particular.

Changed the thread topic to fit my new desire.
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This is also not a Benchrest rifle. That’s a PRS rifle. The two aren’t interchangeable, and despite the fantastic performance of the MPA PMR, it’s simply not built to excel in benchrest. Kinda like buying a Funny Car to take to a NASCAR race…

I’ve copied to you the rifles @Walkalong and @South Prairie Jim use for benchrest competition - there are good reasons those rifles look the way they do and are built the way they are. A repeater in a chassis is NOT a benchrest rifle.
 
Varminterror said:
This is also not a Benchrest rifle. That’s a PRS rifle. The two aren’t interchangeable, and despite the fantastic performance of the MPA PMR, it’s simply not built to excel in benchrest. Kinda like buying a Funny Car to take to a NASCAR race…

I’ve copied to you the rifles @Walkalong and @South Prairie Jim use for benchrest competition - there are good reasons those rifles look the way they do and are built the way they are. A repeater in a chassis is NOT a benchrest rifle.
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Oh man. Just when I think I'm getting an understanding on something the rug gets pulled. Could you send those rifles again as I don't see them.

I have this chart though if it makes sense.
 

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MR WICK said:
Oh man. Just when I think I'm getting an understanding on something the rug gets pulled.

I have this chart though if it makes sense.
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That chart is not studying benchrest competition - it ONLY pertains to ONE VERY SPECIFIC match on ONE year. That is the gear used in the Nightforce ELR Steel Challenge in 2020, which is a “no format” format, it’s not really a PRS match, but not an ELR match either (more like the former than the latter). You’ll notice in the same article, Cal shows that the 6.5 PRC, not the Creed, was the most popular for that match.

But again, the data from that match has absolutely NOTHING to do with any form of benchrest competition, or really any form of competition at all - it is only ONE MATCH per year which uses that format: effectively a longer range PRS match.
 
Varminterror said:
That chart is not studying benchrest competition - it ONLY pertains to ONE VERY SPECIFIC match on ONE year. That is the gear used in the Nightforce ELR Steel Challenge in 2020, which is a “no format” format, it’s not really a PRS match, but not an ELR match either (more like the former than the latter). You’ll notice in the same article, Cal shows that the 6.5 PRC, not the Creed, was the most popular for that match.

But again, the data from that match has absolutely NOTHING to do with any form of benchrest competition, or really any form of competition at all - it is only ONE MATCH per year which uses that format: effectively a longer range PRS match.
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I'm doing nothing but research before I make a decision.

Just for perspective, the new PRS “Production” class rules state: “Production Division rifles shall not exceed $2,500 USD as listed on the company’s website. The optic shall not exceed $2,500 USD as listed on the company’s website.” This is the “budget” end of PRS competition, and as you can see, rigs up to 5 grand are considered “entry level” in this game.

I want to do Bench Rest competitions with a rifle I'm going to have for the foreseeable future. Varminator, what caliber do you recommend? And can you see how all of this is confusing? I'm sure you were where I am once. I'm just trying to research and learn. If I make a dumb remark or post something incorrect I want help not criticism.
 
MR WICK said:
I'm doing nothing but research before I make a decision.

Just for perspective, the new PRS “Production” class rules state: “Production Division rifles shall not exceed $2,500 USD as listed on the company’s website. The optic shall not exceed $2,500 USD as listed on the company’s website.” This is the “budget” end of PRS competition, and as you can see, rigs up to 5 grand are considered “entry level” in this game.
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PRS isn’t benchrest, in any way.
 
MR WICK said:
I'm doing nothing but research before I make a decision.

Just for perspective, the new PRS “Production” class rules state: “Production Division rifles shall not exceed $2,500 USD as listed on the company’s website. The optic shall not exceed $2,500 USD as listed on the company’s website.” This is the “budget” end of PRS competition, and as you can see, rigs up to 5 grand are considered “entry level” in this game.
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Just for perspective - I’ve been shooting PRS for 6 seasons, co-match direct a few matches each season, and am a board member for our state PRS club, and an admin in the most prevalent Facebook group for PRS Competition… I currently have 4 custom PRS rifles, building another for my son…

So I’m fully versed in Production Class standards (as ridiculously dumb as they have become) as well as what the rifles cost to build and operate for PRS…

But again, PRS is absolutely not Benchrest.

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Mr Wick.

Are you wanting to compete in the sport of bench rest? Like serious be part of the national competition and follow all the rules and regulations of that specific sport.

Or are you wanting to shoot local competitions at you club that are shootinh various targets from the bench?

Because you keep telling us you want to shoot bench rest and I'm not sure you understand that is a VERY specific sport.
 
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Just for perspective - I’ve been shooting PRS for 6 seasons, co-match direct a few matches each season, and am a board member for our state PRS club, and an admin in the most prevalent Facebook group for PRS Competition… I currently have 4 custom PRS rifles, building another for my son…

So I’m fully versed in Production Class standards (as ridiculously dumb as they have become) as well as what the rifles cost to build and operate for PRS…

But again, PRS is absolutely not Benchrest.

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I understand that now after research. Many different competitions.

Let's start here. What caliber for ELR benchrest competitions?
 
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