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Mr Wick.

Are you wanting to compete in the sport of bench rest? Like serious be part of the national competition and follow all the rules and regulations of that specific sport.

Or are you wanting to shoot local competitions at you club that are shootinh various targets from the bench?

Because you keep telling us you want to shoot bench rest and I'm not sure you understand that is a VERY specific sport.

The lines are going from blurry to more clear as I see the different competitions, the restrictions, and rules.

I absolutely love Benchrest shooting but something like PRS is very appealing. I want to compete serious. I have two hobbies. The gym and rifles. I can't play basketball anymore like I did in college.
 
I understand that now after research. Many different competitions.

Let's start here. What caliber for ELR benchrest competitions?

There’s no such thing as “ELR Benchrest” in any common or national format. Lots of ranges do their own “no format” matches, and what’s best for those would depend upon whatever match design and rules they choose.

Sanctioned Long Range Benchrest will typically shoot 600 and 1000yards, such as what @South Prairie Jim shoots. For this, there tends to be a couple of different camps - the 6BR guys, the 300wsm guys, and the 284 Shehane guys. But they are ALL shooting big bellied single shot actions in stocks with big flat forends and flat tails to track true on the front rest and rear bags.

National ELR matches are belly matches fired with super-magnum rifles, again, typically single shots, but they’re fired from bipods (Phoenix preferred for everything but Ko2M, Accu-Tac for Ko2M by a landslide). I provided that equipment list in your last thread - only super-magnums play here, even the 338 Lapua really gets left in the dust. BUT… these aren’t shooting just to 1 mile. Typically these matches are reaching out to 3000-4000+ yards. A lot longer than you’ll be able to shoot if your range only expands to 1 mile. These are typically dominated by 375 Cheytacs, 416 Stroker, and 416 Hellfire or Barrett.

For your 1 mile max distance benchrest game at a local range, without knowing their specific rules and their specific range limitations, a 338 Lapua would probably play very competitively. A 300 Norma might also play pretty well. But you’ll need to know the caliber restrictions of the range, caliber restrictions of the competition format, weight and/or length restrictions for the competition, and any other rules they might invent, because there is no standard for 1 mile benchrest competition by any existing sanctioning body.
 
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There’s no such thing as “ELR Benchrest” in any common or national format. Lots of ranges do their own “no format” matches, and what’s best for those would depend upon whatever match design and rules they choose.

Sanctioned Long Range Benchrest will typically shoot 600 and 1000yards, such as what @South Prairie Jim shoots. For this, there tends to be a couple of different camps - the 6BR guys, the 300wsm guys, and the 284 Shehane guys. But they are ALL shooting big bellied single shot actions in stocks with big flat forends and flat tails to track true on the front rest and rear bags.

National ELR matches are belly matches fired with super-magnum rifles, again, typically single shots, but they’re fired from tripods (Phoenix preferred for everything but Ko2M, Accu-Tac for Ko2M by a landslide). I provided that equipment list in your last thread - only super-magnums play here, even the 338 Lapua really gets left in the dust. BUT… these aren’t shooting just to 1 mile. Typically these matches are reaching out to 3000-4000+ yards. A lot longer than you’ll be able to shoot if your range only expands to 1 mile. These are typically dominated by 375 Cheytacs, 416 Stroker, and 416 Hellfire or Barrett.

For your 1 mile max distance benchrest game at a local range, without knowing their specific rules and their specific range limitations, a 338 Lapua would probably play very competitively. A 300 Norma might also play pretty well. But you’ll need to know the caliber restrictions of the range, caliber restrictions of the competition format, weight and/or length restrictions for the competition, and any other rules they might invent, because there is no standard for 1 mile benchrest competition by any existing sanctioning body.

That was the best and most informative post I've read so far. Thank uou.
 
Realistically, how often are you shooting the mile? Other than the mile target, are there any other targets out at extended distances?
 
Realistically, how often are you shooting the mile? Other than the mile target, are there any other targets out at extended distances?

The furthest goes out to 2,000 yards.

C-Grunt. I realize I'm in way over my head right now for the amount of time I've been shooting. I'm a 1/4 driver looking to race Indianapolis 500. I just don't have the knowledge that can only be gained with time and experience. I've only been shooting rifles 1 year. Let's just go simple. I want a benchrest rifle that I can shoot accurately to possibly 1,500 yards. There are no pro's like you or Varminator that enter the competitions at my range.

I'm even now just looking at a Ruger Precision. Why am I going to spend a ridiculous amount of money when I'm not doing high end competitions against professionals. If you said to me, "This is the rifle and caliber to consistently shoot 1,000 yards and possibly beyond off of a benchrest I would buy it now and then learn as I go, as I have been.

This thread has taught me more then any other thread before and I thank everyone for letting me know I am currently trying to do something I'm not ready for.
 
2000 yard ranges aren’t common, and Vegas area has a big draw for ELR shooters. Hell, I was going out there 20yrs ago for 50 BMG matches - ELR before ELR was ELR.

If you build it, they will come. Guys drive from all over the country to ELR matches. If they start putting on quality matches on a quality facility out to 2000, big gun shooters WILL come, and guys WILL build rifles to get the job done. It takes a while to build these rifles (mine’s looking like at least 9mos), but SOMEONE will order up a Bat Model L, a Manners LRT, and a big Bartlein and start burning that house down, and then a flock of guys with big guns will come. Dudes drive 10+ hours every month for the ELR matches at Spearpoint Ranch in Kansas, and it’s nothing more than a cattle pasture! But if you build it, they will come.
 
It's not teally that.

If you are wanting to compete at a mile in actual competition, then yes you have a long way to go.

If you just want to play in some informal club matches, you can do that now with your 308.

I ask how often you plan on shooting the exranged ranges as a proper rifle for a mile is significantly overbore for shooting under 1000 yards. Itll do it for sure but you are putting up with significantly more cost, muzzle blast, and recoil.
 
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So, you are going to shoot in registered Benchrest matches? If so you're definitely looking at the wrong rifles, whether it's short or long range Benchrest. Just because a bench is involved doesn't make it Benchrest competition.

So, as you have been asked......PRS? F-Class? ELR?, true (short or long) Benchrest?

If you are going to buy an expensive rifle you'll want it to be the right one/caliber. The best way to do that is clearly define what you want to do and then listen to the folks who do it and can point you in the right direction. Research the equipment actually used in that discipline. You have often said money is no object, so why scrimp, just buy top of the line equipment people are using to win with in that discipline.
 
No argument, not to mention range time, but he says money is no object, so why not buy the best and take that out of the equation?

I'm still curious how many barrels he's been through after thousands and thousands of rounds and still shooting under 1/2 MOA at 700 yards. :)

PRS - Challenging, tough on an old guy, but more fun than a barrel full of monkeys.
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And @MR WICK, just a little tough love brother, hang with us long enough and not only will you pick the right stuff, but you'll be able to go bear hunting with a switch..... :)
 
Run what you brung. Show up to a match with what you have then you can get a better idea if that's the discipline for you.
 
2000 yard ranges aren’t common, and Vegas area has a big draw for ELR shooters. Hell, I was going out there 20yrs ago for 50 BMG matches - ELR before ELR was ELR.

If you build it, they will come. Guys drive from all over the country to ELR matches. If they start putting on quality matches on a quality facility out to 2000, big gun shooters WILL come, and guys WILL build rifles to get the job done. It takes a while to build these rifles (mine’s looking like at least 9mos), but SOMEONE will order up a Bat Model L, a Manners LRT, and a big Bartlein and start burning that house down, and then a flock of guys with big guns will come. Dudes drive 10+ hours every month for the ELR matches at Spearpoint Ranch in Kansas, and it’s nothing more than a cattle pasture! But if you build it, they will come.

I'm 100% positive it's either a little bit longer or shorter then 2,000 yards. But either way it's not by
2000 yard ranges aren’t common, and Vegas area has a big draw for ELR shooters. Hell, I was going out there 20yrs ago for 50 BMG matches - ELR before ELR was ELR.

If you build it, they will come. Guys drive from all over the country to ELR matches. If they start putting on quality matches on a quality facility out to 2000, big gun shooters WILL come, and guys WILL build rifles to get the job done. It takes a while to build these rifles (mine’s looking like at least 9mos), but SOMEONE will order up a Bat Model L, a Manners LRT, and a big Bartlein and start burning that house down, and then a flock of guys with big guns will come. Dudes drive 10+ hours every month for the ELR matches at Spearpoint Ranch in Kansas, and it’s nothing more than a cattle pasture! But if you build it, they will come.

My apologies. I was wrong. I just called the range and the furthest target is 1,000 yards. Nowhere near 2,000 yards. I guess I'm not going to be shooting past 1,000 yards. So, I do not need a rifle stronger then that as this is the only place I shoot.
 
No argument, not to mention range time, but he says money is no object, so why not buy the best and take that out of the equation?

I'm still curious how many barrels he's been through after thousands and thousands of rounds and still shooting under 1/2 MOA at 700 yards. :)

PRS - Challenging, tough on an old guy, but more fun than a barrel full of monkeys.
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I referening all 4 rifles I've owned combined. Not thousands of rounds through just one rifle. I should have been more spacific.
 
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