Hard to find Revolvers

Alfredo912

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Why are high priced (>$800) revolvers hard to find now in Jan 2023?
Examples:
1- An early manufactured gun : smith&wesson 617 4in
2- A recently introduced : colt king cobra .22LR 4in
While the market is flooded with much lower priced revolvers of prices below $500?

Logically one would think the opposite because most people would not want to spend over $800 for a .22 revolvers?
 
Because collectors arent hoarding Heritage Rough Riders.
But vintage, high-quality guns arent hard to find, they are just being listed on Gun Broker because the sellers know they will get a better return than 50 cents on the dollar from a dealer or pawn shop. The few you do see behind glass now are usually consignnent sales or were pawned by junkie inheritors needing a quick fix.
Also, with the market for high quality, higher priced, .22 revolvers being rather small dealers are loath to have one sitting in inventory waiting on a buyer and would rather special order one upon request.
$200 Ruger Wranglers can be an impulse buy from someone not previously in the market for a rimfire wheelgun. $1000 Colt? Not so much.
 
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Because collectors arent hoarding Heritage Rough Riders.
But vintage, high-quality guns arent hard to find, they are just being listed on Gun Broker because the sellers know they will get a better return than 50 cents on the dollar from a dealer or pawn shop. The few you do see behind glass now are usually consignnent sales or were pawned by junkie inheritors needing a quick fix.
Also, with the market for high quality, higher priced, .22 revolvers being rather small dealers are loath to have one sitting in inventory waiting on a buyer and would rather special order one upon request.
$200 Ruger Wranglers can be an impulse buy from someone not previously in the market for a rimfire wheelgun. $1000 Colt? Not so much.
Where do you go to special order a gun?
 
Where do you go to special order a gun?

If you have a local FFL who will accept the shipment, there are lots of online retailers out there to service the used/collectible market. Personally I recommend Simpson's LTD in Illinois -- I spend way too much there.

https://simpsonltd.com/smith-wesson/

https://simpsonltd.com/hand-guns/colt/revolvers/

For new stuff, your LGS will have their own preferred supply distributors. Probably Lipsey's, Davidson's, some others. With my guy, I just have to ask him to check availability and show him money. Big store chains like Sportsman's Warehouse, Cabelas, Turners, etc. have online catalogs of guns currently available through their stores.
 
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If you have a local FFL who will accept the shipment, there are lots of online retailers out there to service the used/collectible market. Personally I recommend Simpson's LTD in Illinois -- I spend way too much there.

https://simpsonltd.com/smith-wesson/

https://simpsonltd.com/hand-guns/colt/revolvers/

For new stuff, your LGS will have their own preferred supply distributors. Probably Lipsey's, Davidson's, some others. With my guy, I just have to ask him to check availability and show him money. Big store chains like Sportsman's Warehouse, Cabelas, Turners, etc. have online catalogs of guns currently available through their stores.
Yes Dave, I’m aware of what you’ve recommended and I thank you kindly. I have my wishlist at several of the big online retailers but so far have not been able to find one! And if one is available, by the time I check it’s gone already! As far as I know there are no retailers such as Sportsman’s Warehouse that will special order a gun for me.? All they do even when you visit their store is to create a wish list on line and wait for availability! Am I missing anything?
My concern is that the s&w 617 has been on the market since the 80’s or earlier and yet you still think it will be available in a moderate quantities at retailers such as Sportsman’s , AZ Guns and Tombstone Tactical in Phoenix where I live? Something is not making sense here!
 
If Scottsdale isn't outside your radius, Ian at Forgotten Weapons seems to prefer Bear Arms -- maybe contact them?

https://beararmsaz.com/

For really current firearm availability, I think the problem may have to do with production, supply vs. demand type issues, along with waves of new buyers looking for entry-level pricing.

Let me give you a recent personal example of the production problem aspect: here in the People's Republic, one of the slicker ways around the current 'assault weapon' restrictions on AR-type rifles is to build using the Fightlite lower. This has a conventional stock rather than a separate butt and pistol grip, so it is easier to configure for a compliant arm that is also comfortable and doesn't look totally ad hoc.

Fightlite was simply unable to meet demand on these for several years post-introduction. I made a point of checking availability at their webstore every month or two, and just last month several lowers suddenly went from 'out of stock' to 'add to cart'. I ordered one there and then, had it sent to my FFL and picked it up a couple weeks ago. It's not really my cuppa, but I thought I'd want one someday and had better not wait. Sometimes patience and determination pay dividends.

https://fightlite.com/lowers

Still a work in progress, BTW:

FightliteSCR02.jpg
 
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There are some guns that people want, and the ones you listed are high-demand guns. Since they are in demand, buyers will have to to the wait list, on line search or just luck into one in order to get one sometimes.

I waited 8 months on a list for a new SA-35. I ended up buying one on Gun Broker for $20 over MSRP, which in my neck of the woods was a steal.

As for gun broker, don’t get in a bidding war, especially with a low-transaction buyer. You will get bid way up. With both my SA 35 and a .45 caliber CZ 97B, the Sellers had listed four or five guns at once, each auction ending every 2 days. The earlier listings sold with those buyers bidding $200-250 more than I paid because they bid early and panicked when someone else bid against them. I walked away saving nearly $500 just by being patient.

Stay patient, keep looking. They are out there! :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
It's just the supply chain backlog. Like with ammo, makers have had to prioritize and have chosen to focus on the biggest sellers. They certainly focused on 9x19 more than on 357 Magnum, so while it would seem there would be less demand for 357, there has also been a lot less supply of it. Similarly, the cheap pocket revolvers generate the most demand, and that's what makers have prioritized in the supply chain.

The makers will not lose sales to the people who want a kilobuck revolver, for whom there is no substitute and much less competition. The demand for Colt Pythons for example is durable. The people who want them and will buy them will wait and that demand will abide all the while. Someone who wants a cheapo pocket gun, if they can't get one, they'll buy different one that they can get. This isn't just characteristic of revolvers, but all kinds of higher-end guns, particularly where the maker has other product lines they could prioritize. Consider all the high-end lever guns (and I say that relatively speaking). You can have all the Henrys you want, but otherwise you'll have to wait. The thing is, the people that want a Marlin or a Winchester will wait. Ruger's Pinetree Casting is no doubt busy cranking out frames for guns in a more competitive market space and Miroku is probably focused on the Browning shotguns that sell in higher volume and with greater margins.

Some maker's supply chains may not overlap products for which there is higher demand. I mentioned Henry already. We could suppose that Colt's revolver production isn't affected by high demand in their AR-15 pattern rifle lines. Even so, there seems to be good availability of Pythons in 3" and 4.25" barrels, so if the King Cobra is receiving lower priority, it's probably in deference to the higher-margin Pythons.

A glut is coming. We're already seeing signs of it. The makers that learned from past experience and are deft at navigating the business cycles were carefule about ramping up capacity. Retailers who have been putting in orders for more and more product as their shelves lay empty for the better part of the last two years have started to take delivery of some of that stuff -- right when demand is waning, due to the effects of inflation, higher interest rates, and a slowing economy.

Unfortunately, I'm not predicting high-end revolvers dropping in price. It would not be sustainable to produce them and sell them at a loss. Production will remain subdued (like an OPEC production cut) to keep the prices up. The availability should improve though.
 
@Dave DeLaurant

In the "People's Republic" what does one have to pay attention to when building a Fightlite AR build to maintain Cali-compliance?

Like the rifle you posted above, I'm assuming a 10 round detachable is ok, correct?

I believe the following items are ok and not ok, correct me if I'm wrong:

1. Flash Hiders or Compensators, NO
2. Muzzle Brakes, YES
3. Vertical Foregrip, NO

And to get the detachable magazine you cannot have some other items or only a certain number of items, correct?

I wouldn't mind putting together a Fightlite lower for the times when I head behind enemy lines so to speak, and if I'm limited to 10 rounds I'll probably just make them count with my 450 Bushmaster.

So, if I have an upper receiver already that has a muzzle brake, would it be simply pinning it on their lower and utilize only 10 round or less magazines and be ok otherwise?
 
Shouldn't this discussion be somewhere other than the Revolver sub-forum? It might be more appropriate, and more people who are interested in it would see it.

(I am sorry. I meant to quote Breech Face's post directly above, and I don't know how to do it retroactively.)
 
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Shouldn't this discussion be somewhere other than the Revolver sub-forum? It might be more appropriate, and more people who are interested in it would see it.

(I am sorry. I meant to quote Breech Face's post directly above, and I don't know how to do it retroactively.)

Fair enough -- I've opened a private conversation.

Even though my example featured a rifle, I hope the point was trying to make regarding persistence was on topic.
 
A long pursuit of a '92 Winchester leads me to suggest checking the large, online vendors; CDNN, Buds, and the like. You'll need an FFL to receive your purchase; if it's a shop that has seen you before, it shouldn't be an issue.
Moon
 
I believe that rimfire revolvers above $800 are not moving as fast as an equally priced centerfire handgun and because of that, they bring a poor return on the investment in most areas. Guns that appeal to a small clientele are more successfully sold online to reach potential customers and even the elusive rimfire Ratzeburg Korth can be found from internet vendors.
 
Why are high priced (>$800) revolvers hard to find now in Jan 2023?
Examples:
1- An early manufactured gun : smith&wesson 617 4in
2- A recently introduced : colt king cobra .22LR 4in
While the market is flooded with much lower priced revolvers of prices below $500?

Logically one would think the opposite because most people would not want to spend over $800 for a .22 revolvers?
I think they are focusing on the self defense market. Shops around here have all kinds of S&W J frame but everything else is in short supply
 
Has anyone here ever spotted the new King Cobra .22 LR in 4" barrel?

And I haven't seen a recent production 4" S&W 617 in any gun shop in years, seems like.

Did see a 6" old 17 in a LGS not long ago, though.

I (over)paid a premium for this 4" Model 63 when I found it way back when, and I haven't seen one for sale in years under $800, for sure. @DR505 is correct -- seems as though these guns above many others are treasured by their owners and kept for their lifetime -- usually to be passed on to heirs, as they aren't often seen in shops.
Model 63.jpg
 
one last shout out to Dave for putting that rifle info up in these trying times. I actually like it, kinda.

Same here. My Saiga 7.62x39 has a wood sporter stock. Never converted the rifle to its original AK configuration because I just liked it the way it was. Those Fightlites have the same appeal.
 
I wanted to buy locally not Gun Broker/mail order and looked for months to find a 617 4" .22. Finally bought the 6" at my range shop, have no regrets, but will still look for a 4 to show up.
 
High priced .22 LR revolvers are hard to find because owners hang onto them.

It's also because there isn't as many produced as their big bore brethren. This was even more true in the past. The idea of having a high priced .22 revolver just wasn't high on many folk's priority. Growing up as a kid, the only folks I knew that had a .22 revolver were folks that used them for trapping, and most of them were "cheap" H&Rs. Folks just didn't have a need for .22 handguns, as the idea of just shooting a ton of .22 ammo for fun was only shared by young folks. Most households had 3 firearms in the closet.....a .22 rifle for small game, a shotgun of some kind and a deer rifle. Go into any gun shop and look at the handguns they have on hand and the larger calibers will clearly outnumber the .22s. This is true even with semi's. It's not because of how fast they sell, but because the shop is putting their inventory monies, where they believe it will turn over the fastest.

That said, even when the big drought for handguns was at it's peak, I could always find a .22 revolver of some kind in the handgun case at my LGS, unlike .357, .44 and .45.

While the market is flooded with much lower priced revolvers of prices below $500?

Logically one would think the opposite because most people would not want to spend over $800 for a .22 revolvers?

Because those "cheap revolvers are easier and faster to produce. Those companies producing those "cheap" revolvers are more numerous than those "quality" companies that are trying to keep up with the demand for their .357/44/45s.
Most LGSs sell more Rough Riders and Wranglers than all the others, thus they keep more in stock.
 
3" Charter arms pathfinder. 22lr. Best .22 revolver I ever owned.
 
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