ATF Rule on Braces Published Jan 31, 2023

Pat Riot · Jan 31, 2023

I looked to see if this had already been posted. I didn’t see a posting but if this is a duplicate, Mods please delete.

I received this in an email this morning. It’s really long, but this is the ATF’s Final Rule on pistol braces.
I have no dog in this fight. I have no handguns with braces. Since I do not, I will not post my opinions on this.

Here is the rule listed under the Federal Registry.

https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...for-firearms-with-attached-stabilizing-braces

<<This is the official discussion thread in General Gun Discussions for this topic.

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rust collector · Jan 31, 2023

Thank you for the notification. I took the liberty of editing your title to clarify what just took place. Because they are in effect on and after date of publication, all should proceed with that in mind.

IALoder · Jan 31, 2023

Let the lawsuit filing begin!

P Flados · Jan 31, 2023

And just a reminder, the rules have now changed with respect to short barreled gun transactions.

It is now a potential NFA violation to buy / sell a short barreled gun with a brace. This includes person to person transactions.

PSA has stopped selling complete pistol length guns with braces. They are however still selling short barreled AR uppers, braced AR lowers and AR pistol kits with braces.

Mark_Mark · Jan 31, 2023

don’t fall for the trap of a lifetime! if you want a SBR…. do the SBR form and pay $200! SBR’s are cool! brace are funny looking

FlSwampRat · Jan 31, 2023

Mark_Mark said:
don’t fall for the trap of a lifetime! if you want a SBR…. do the SBR form and pay $200! SBR’s are cool! brace are funny looking

Trying to figure out how this meshes with this:

Mark_Mark said:
Register now = you don’t love your dog

Are you advising folks to register their SBR's or warning that if you register it means you don't love your dog?
I'm asking because I'm going to register my braced pistol as an SBR.

Mark_Mark · Jan 31, 2023

FlSwampRat said:
Trying to figure out how this meshes with this:

Are you advising folks to register their SBR's or warning that if you register it means you don't love your dog?
I'm asking because I'm going to register my braced pistol as an SBR.

AFT don’t like dogs! everyone knows this

eastbank · Jan 31, 2023

i think i,ll just take the brace off and destroy it and keep my firearm as a pistol.

old lady new shooter · Jan 31, 2023

FlSwampRat said:
I'm going to register my braced pistol as an SBR.

Being that you are first person here to report this decision I think everyone will be very interested to hear about your experience, so please keep us posted.

JERRY · Jan 31, 2023

Take the brace off of your pistol (disabled persons too) and wait to see what the lawsuits bring.

Elkins45 · Jan 31, 2023

Mark_Mark said:
don’t fall for the trap of a lifetime! if you want a SBR…. do the SBR form and pay $200! SBR’s are cool! brace are funny looking

I eagerly await seeing satellite photos of the gigantic new federal detention camps that are being built to house the millions of new felons caught in this trap.

I keep trying to find someone who will make a cash bet with me that 100,000 or more Americans (out of potentially millions) will be convicted of a felony for their Form 1 pistol brace applications. So far I’ve gotten no takers.

hso · Jan 31, 2023

Elkins45 said:
So far I’ve gotten no takers.

I'll take that bet.

$100 says you're wrong.

Elkins45 · Jan 31, 2023

hso said:
I'll take that bet.

$100 says you're wrong.

So let us be perfectly clear here, and set the terms.

I’m betting that there will not be 100,000 or more people who correctly submit a Form 1 to SBR their braced pistol who will have this information used against them to convict them of a felony violation of the NFA. You are betting there will be at least 100,000 felony convictions of persons who submit these applications. Do I understand correctly?

What time period should we establish? On what date should we decide who was correct?

hso · Jan 31, 2023

I took the there won't be any convictions side. since you wrote -

Elkins45 said:
I keep trying to find someone who will make a cash bet with me that 100,000 or more Americans (out of potentially millions) will be convicted of a felony

. That reads like you're expecting a trap.

In plain language, I do not think it is reasonable to expect there are going to be any mass felony arrests/convictions for folks that file Form 1s to register their pistols as SBRs.

We can't both take the same side so we have to find another sucker that thinks there are going to be hundreds upon hundreds of citizens entrapped by the Fed on this.

Mark_Mark · Jan 31, 2023

Elkins45 said:
I eagerly await seeing satellite photos of the gigantic new federal detention camps that are being built to house the millions of new felons caught in this trap.

I keep trying to find someone who will make a cash bet with me that 100,000 or more Americans (out of potentially millions) will be convicted of a felony for their Form 1 pistol brace applications. So far I’ve gotten no takers.

If everyone is a criminal, no-one’s a criminal

Elkins45 · Jan 31, 2023

hso said:
I took the there won't be any convictions side. since you wrote -
. That reads like you're expecting a trap.

In plain language, I do not think it is reasonable to expect there are going to be any mass felony arrests/convictions for folks that file Form 1s to register their pistols as SBRs.

Sorry. I guess what I meant and what I thought I said are at odds. I’m happy to see that we actually agree.

hso · Jan 31, 2023

Elkins45 said:
we actually agree

We need to find someone for that sucker bet.

Elkins45 · Jan 31, 2023

hso said:
We need to find someone for that sucker bet.

Are you familiar with a social media site called Reddit?

Mark_Mark · Jan 31, 2023

Elkins45 said:
So let us be perfectly clear here, and set the terms.

I’m betting that there will not be 100,000 or more people who correctly submit a Form 1 to SBR their braced pistol who will have this information used against them to convict them of a felony violation of the NFA. You are betting there will be at least 100,000 felony convictions of persons who submit these applications. Do I understand correctly?

What time period should we establish? On what date should we decide who was correct?

2020 Covid taught me… not trusting and being paranoid at government and big pharma is not a bad thing

Elkins45 · Jan 31, 2023

Mark_Mark said:
If everyone is a criminal, no-one’s a criminal

Look, I dislike the NFA as much as anyone and probably more than most since they have soaked me for almost $2K in tax stamps. But the simple fact is that for 99% of their owners those “pistols” have always been de facto SBRs and it should come as a surprise to absolutely no one that they are now becoming de jure as well.

Instead of getting all wound up fighting the brace rule what we really need to do is start attacking the NFA. If shooters had spent 10% of their effort fighting NFA that they did posting “SuCk It AtF” videos shouldering their braces we might be in a better place now.

Mark_Mark · Jan 31, 2023

Elkins45 said:
Look, I dislike the NFA as much as anyone and probably more than most since they have soaked me for almost $2K in tax stamps. But the simple fact is that for 99% of their owners those “pistols” have always been de facto SBRs and it should come as a surprise to absolutely no one that they are now becoming de jure as well.

Instead of getting all wound up fighting the brace rule what we really need to do is start attacking the NFA. If shooters had spent 10% of their effort fighting NFA that they did posting “SuCk It AtF” videos shouldering their braces we might be in a better place now.

probably right, but that takes effort and we kidda lazy… ATF can’t be making rules and be weaponized by the current administration to punish the people! Me being LAZY is a right. That’s being said, I lazly send money on a regular bases to the 2nd Amendment Foundation!

Jeff H · Feb 1, 2023

Mark_Mark said:
AFT don’t like dogs! everyone knows this

eastbank said:
i think i,ll just take the brace off and destroy it and keep my firearm as a pistol.

If it is an AR, make sure it doesn't have a carbine buffer tube. You'll need a pistol buffer tube not to be in constructive possession of an SBR.

old lady new shooter said:
Being that you are first person here to report this decision I think everyone will be very interested to hear about your experience, so please keep us posted.

I'm interested in this too.
Believe it or not, there were people in line at my LGS before the rule was published getting their paperwork in order so you aren't the first person to do this.

12Bravo20 · Feb 1, 2023

Jeff H said:
If it is an AR, make sure it doesn't have a carbine buffer tube. You'll need a pistol buffer tube not to be in constructive possession of an SBR.

I got jumped and told that I did not know what I was talking bout for saying that on this forum and on other forums. So be prepared for it.

And there are several sections of the brace rule talking about buffer tubes that contradicts each section.

With the 6 to 6 1/2 inch length, that is to keep people from using extended smooth pistol buffer tubes like the Kak Super Brace buffer tube or from using a standard rifle length buffer tube. There really is not a clear and well defined answer (that I could find) on if a 4 or 6 position carbine buffer tube is okay.

Mark_Mark · Feb 1, 2023

Jeff H said:
If it is an AR, make sure it doesn't have a carbine buffer tube. You'll need a pistol buffer tube not to be in constructive possession of an SBR.

I'm interested in this too.
Believe it or not, there were people in line at my LGS before the rule was published getting their paperwork in order so you aren't the first person to do this.

100%

the smooth buffer tube without the position notch. Comes in Cool colors too!!!

Mark_Mark · Feb 1, 2023

Elkins45 said:
I eagerly await seeing satellite photos of the gigantic new federal detention camps that are being built to house the millions of new felons caught in this trap.

I keep trying to find someone who will make a cash bet with me that 100,000 or more Americans (out of potentially millions) will be convicted of a felony for their Form 1 pistol brace applications. So far I’ve gotten no takers.

Here you go!!!

change the race a little, reasons, crime, … Happened before, will
happen again. But this time, you going a free man or a sheep

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