Thank you, Very curious to see what his reply is.
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Thank you, Very curious to see what his reply is.
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I got the following reply
Good afternoon John,
You will only need the gold primer pin if you purchase a new carrier cover.
Tammy
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I replied to her email requesting explanation for the new carrier cover/priming pin and benefit(s) they provide.You will only need the gold primer pin if you purchase a new carrier cover.
Tammy
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My hunch is that Lee Precision redesigned the carrier cover to perhaps be easier to disassemble/reassemble and incorporated a different priming pin to work with the new cover.
That is the same reply I got from them also. Has to be some reason for the change, guess we will just have to figure it out ourselves. Having 2 different primer pins will confuse people in my opinion. And the new pin appears to be similar in design to the original primer pin.
I just ordered the new carrier cover and primer pin with a few other spare parts so I can compare the difference.
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Got an email reply from Calvin and Lee Precision redesigned the carrier cover priming pin sleeve to be "self cleaning" and work with original priming pin - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-oal-consistency.911743/page-17#post-12550727
The original cover priming pin sleeve was tapered down like a funnel and trapped powder granule/debri but the updated cover sounds to have larger opening at the bottom to be "self cleaning" and work with the original pin design.
Interestingly - The pin is not on their site today, I was able to order one and it shows as shipped today. The carrier cover is still there.
I had to send my SPP back the first day I had it as the ram and carrier separated and per CS emails I included a letter asking them to install the most up to date parts including the gold primer pin (my press arrived earlier this week with the old style primer pin). I will let you know what priming pin comes back with the press. It should arrive at the Lee office tomorrow so I should have it back sometime next week based on the eta they quoted me (24 gr turnaround on warranty repair). I was sad to not be loading ammo with it this week but Lee CS was quick to send me a prepaid return label and when asked they offered to send spare parts back with the press as no cost to me in an effort to make it right. I don’t have experience with other brands except Frankfort but I have to say Lee and Frankfort CS are top notch!!! I’m so glad to see that reloading equipment companies stand behind their products and not just the expensive ones!
Received the new revised carrier cover today. Only difference I can find is the hole for the primer pin. They basically have inverted the hole and removed the taper. The hole is not tapered as before but is straight walled and stepped with the small diameter on the top part of the hole and the large part on the bottom of the hole. I measured the top part of the hole to be approximately .178" and approximately .205" on the bottom part of the hole for the pin.
I do not think this revised carrier cover will work very well with the non straight walled primer pin, too much play. Does appear to work well with the new gold primer pin which supposedly is the original primer pin with a gold tint.
In both pictures the new carrier cover is on the left and the old carrier cover is on the right and new carrier cover is on top of the old carrier cover in both pictures.. First picture is the top and the second picture is the bottom of the carrier cover. Differences are very easy to see.
Have already installed the new carrier cover and have everything working but have not had time to do any actual reloading yet. First impression is that this new carrier cover should be an improvement over the original and will eliminate the need for the redesigned primer pin which does not appear to work well on the new carrier cover.
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Also ordered and received the new gold primer pin spring. They have redesigned the end that attaches to the primer slide. This is a much better design than the old spring and helps to eliminate the spring catching on the hold down tabs on the carrier cover.
LiveLife
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Thanks for posting pictures and measurements.
Smaller radius of spring end will prevent snagging with the four hold down tabs yet still has enough opening to slide up the slot of the primer slider connection. (FYI, properly installed primer slider spring should have open side facing away from the press)
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Interesting.....and here I thought the carrier cover was the plastic bottom....
So now I have the revised primer pin, the old primer pin, and the original carrier cover. Do I need the new carrier cover?.....haven't had any problems yet....
So far this is what I'm doing:
Typical for pistol: After depriming and tumbling, 1-Case Feed & Size; 2-Prime, then Powder Charge and "M" Expand (powder-thru expander); 3-Powder Check (lockout die); 4-Bullet Feed; 5-Seat; 6-Crimp.
Typical for rifle: After depriming and tumbling, I size a batch separately, on another press....then trim..... Then on the progressive: 1-Case feed and expand with "M" Expander die; 2-Prime, then Powder Charge; 3-powder check; 4-Bullet Feed; 5-Seat; 6-Crimp.
Thoughts?
I use the RCBS Tube bullet feeder with it's "M" die for .223 and .308.....that's the "M" die I refer to above....it makes the rifle bullets sit perfectly. For pistol the "M" shelf is in the powder measure.
So now I have the revised primer pin, the old primer pin, and the original carrier cover. Do I need the new carrier cover?.....haven't had any problems yet....So far this is what I'm doing:
Typical for pistol: After depriming and tumbling, 1-Case Feed & Size; 2-Prime, then Powder Charge and "M" Expand (powder-thru expander); 3-Powder Check (lockout die); 4-Bullet Feed; 5-Seat; 6-Crimp.
Typical for rifle: After depriming and tumbling, I size a batch separately, on another press....then trim..... Then on the progressive: 1-Case feed and expand with "M" Expander die; 2-Prime, then Powder Charge; 3-powder check; 4-Bullet Feed; 5-Seat; 6-Crimp.
Thoughts?
I use the RCBS Tube bullet feeder with it's "M" die for .223 and .308.....that's the "M" die I refer to above....it makes the rifle bullets sit perfectly. For pistol the "M" shelf is in the powder measure.
Interesting.....and here I thought the carrier cover was the plastic bottom....
So far this is what I'm doing:
Typical for pistol: After depriming and tumbling, 1-Case Feed & Size; 2-Prime, then Powder Charge and "M" Expand (powder-thru expander); 3-Powder Check (lockout die); 4-Bullet Feed; 5-Seat; 6-Crimp.
Typical for rifle: After depriming and tumbling, I size a batch separately, on another press....then trim..... Then on the progressive: 1-Case feed and expand with "M" Expander die; 2-Prime, then Powder Charge; 3-powder check; 4-Bullet Feed; 5-Seat; 6-Crimp.
Thoughts?
I use the RCBS Tube bullet feeder with it's "M" die for .223 and .308.....that's the "M" die I refer to above....it makes the rifle bullets sit perfectly. For pistol the "M" shelf is in the powder measure.
Do you need the new carrier cover? - Probably not, the revised primer pin and revised bottom cover fixed most of the problems people were having with the primer pin jamming due to powder spillage. I did have problems with the original pin jamming with the original carrier cover. I installed the revised primer pin when it became available and did not have any problems with the pin jamming after that. My press had the revised bottom cover when I received it.
I was curious about the new carrier cover when I read that it been redesigned and wanted to see if there were any other differences beside the hole for the primer pin. I did not find any. I do believe the new carrier cover primer hole is a better design then the original and provides a more stable primer pin alignment when using the old primer pin and the new gold primer pin which appears to be the old primer with a gold tint. With the profile of the revised primer pin it is not stable in the new carrier cover. I have 2 of the Six Pack Pros and I plan to also install the new cover on the other press as well.
That is my thoughts on the new carrier cover. Needed - NO - but I like to tinker with stuff and I do believe it is an improvement over the old cover.
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While comparing the new GOLD primer pin to the old style primer pin I discovered there were 2 versions of the old style primer pin. The difference is in the ledge where the spring rests. The pin on the left is the oldest of the group. The 2nd one is a later version of the primer pin, the one on the right is the new gold tint primer pin which does appear to be identical to the one in the middle except for the tint. They are all the same overall length. They may look to be different lengths in the photo but I checked and they are all the same OAL.
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Just unboxed my Six Pack a couple days ago, so I'm not even up to newbie levels with it yet, but have been reloading on their Classic turret since 2008. At 74 arthritis is not a friend to my finger strength tightening those breech lock bushings. A guy I watched on YouTube recommended a lock nut wrench off Amazon and I guarantee it's affordable and solves my issue 100%. Try it and you'll luv it. It even stores in the slot on the press for their plastic wrench. The 1/2" size is what the bushings use.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018N80XLQ?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
Here is his YouTube video if you're interested.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018N80XLQ?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
Here is his YouTube video if you're interested.
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I'm all for that wrench. My 73 year old hands & fingers thank you! Just as soon as this NW New Mexico blizzard stops, I'm heading to Lowes to look for it!
John Lee has some great ideas.....but I don't think his new wrench is one of them...sorry John....
John Lee has some great ideas.....but I don't think his new wrench is one of them...sorry John....
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I'm all for that wrench. My 73 year old hands & fingers thank you! Just as soon as this NW New Mexico blizzard stops, I'm heading to Lowes to look for it!
John Lee has some great ideas.....but I don't think his new wrench is one of them...sorry John....
Yes, in my experience with the Lee wrench it works ok in the rings without the ability to lock them to the die, but when you tighten up the locking screw the center to center distance on the splines change and the wrench does not fit properly. Have to look at this wrench even though I do not over tighten the bushings in, they work fine for me just tight/snug.
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Gardner Bender 3/4-in Drive Torque Wrench in the Torque Wrenches department at Lowes.com
sorry if this is an echo.
Great deal! Just picked up a pair. Not sure why online calls it a torque wrench.
I wasn't patient enough...ordered on Amazon last night.
Got the 3-piece set for $15 and it should be here later today...it went out for delivery at 1121hrs PST
Thanks for the link, I looked yesterday on the lowes site and couldn't find them. Now I know why, wasn't looking for Torque Wrenches. Just got back from Lowes with a pair, it is a major improvement over the Lee wrench.
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So funny....I didn't even question there might be a better way than Lee's little gizmo. But after I saw that video....and being stuck at home....I decided to see what else I had around the house....and found an old inside car door handle wrench....what do you know, it works too. Especially where there isn't a whole lot of room.
Had to make a short vid to show you.....might come in handy when you can't get the angle on a crowded press top.
Had to make a short vid to show you.....might come in handy when you can't get the angle on a crowded press top.
I found it interesting that Amazon calls these Lock Nut Wrenches while Lowes calls the Torque Wrenches ( can't quite figure out the logic behind that)
In any case, they work great. Very handy, not too big, fit into the tight spaces between the bushings, and fit right over the lock screw on the Spine Drive bushing. While it will "fit" into the slot on the press for the factory bushing wrench, it does take some finagling to get it in and out...I just put mine on the lower shelf of my Inline Fabrication Ultramount.
In any case, they work great. Very handy, not too big, fit into the tight spaces between the bushings, and fit right over the lock screw on the Spine Drive bushing. While it will "fit" into the slot on the press for the factory bushing wrench, it does take some finagling to get it in and out...I just put mine on the lower shelf of my Inline Fabrication Ultramount.
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Torque as in they don't know the difference between a spline wrench and a torque wrench. I still haven't made it to Lowes.....still plan to get a set, but I'm glad I found the pliers.....can see a use for them when I can't get in level with the nut.
I'm a fan of Inline Fabrication products and use their Quick Mount plates for my Lee presses. Just wanted to share a pic of my LED strip lights on my Six Pack. As I use a single strip on my Classic Turret I already had the male power plug available on my bench and went with their 'Y' connector and two led strips. The self-adhesive backing and a few small zip ties secure the lights and wires to the press. Works great, very affordable.
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