Police Body-cam video - Nashville

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A lot of private schools don't like to address the evils of the world and make themselves soft targets
Are you seriously victim blaming? Private schools have to deal with limited budgets even more than public schools. They have to go through risk/reward analyses for nearly everything. The LIKLIHOOD of being attacked like this is extremely low, so they put the money towards a new A/C unit that is malfunctioning.

And before you throw in the argument that "the clients are wealthy, what's more important than the safety of your kids", understand that a lot of private school kids, especially Catholic school kids (I speak from experience here) get financial assistance to attend, so don't make the assumption that they have money to throw around for anything and everything.
 
warning shots… yeah basically
I hate to think this way, but knowing that in almost all of these situations there is considerably more firepower available than what is used, it seems like there is an initial flurry just to get a response happening and the shooter holds back a bunch of ammo to battle with police. I don’t know if it’s thought out that way, if the shooter has a moment of remorse and stops shooting or what. The response time of police is clearly enough time to either do more damage or go somewhere else, possibly try to make an escape. What I have heard reported is 2 rifles and a pistol. That’s probably 75 rounds give or take if there is no extra mags. It’s amazing that the fatality count isn’t much much higher, and it seems that it would be if the shooter really wanted it to be. Seems more of a suicide by cop attention grab.

It may be that the school's lockdown procedure was effective, and that the perpetrator simply couldn't find many targets. It's also worth noting that apparently there are only 200 or so students enrolled, and they share space in fairly large building/s. Thank heavens, regardless of the circumstances.
 
It is a challenging tactical problem. At the end of the day, the majority of LE are municipal or state employees, and will never find themselves in such a complex tactical environment. The way things are generally set up, specialized units exist to address these missions, who (should be) adequately trained and equipped to execute. Where things radically change is when an emergent/ time sensitive situation presents itself, and whoever gets there first needs to take the initiative and execute immediately, with whatever and whoever is available- even if it is a solo counter-assault. This is the same MO utilized by the "highest priority" units in the US military when executing the most important "no fail" missions imagineable. This is "protect and seve" performed at the highest level. Anyone who wants to pin on a badge and strap on a gun to protect and serve the public who is not willing to perform at this level need not apply.
 
How many of you members would run in there knowing you would die?

Don't know about you, but I could never live with myself if I did not try. Even a distraction could save a life or two till the cops got there.

I work in a High school. We have active shooter(nowadays they call them violent intruders, supposed to not be as scary) drills regularly. We are told it is not our job to stop the threat by going to the shooter offensively, only to protect the kids from the threat defensively. I tell them, stopping the threat as soon as possible is the best way to protect and going towards is faster than running away. I think it's a liability thing really, so remaining family members cannot sue, claiming "he was told it's his job!".

As for SROs. The Parkland Florida school shooting was a prime example of most SROs. They generally are not the best officer on the force, nor the best Marksman.(which is what most of us would want to protect our kids). Our SRO would probably push kids out of her way to get to cover. She is only in the building a few hours a week and spends time at 6 other buildings in the district. Most dangerous thing she generally is exposed to is getting sunburned while handing out candy on the playground. That's why we need to arm and train responsible staff. Those staff that do not wish to be armed, need to be trained in "stop the bleed", and Triage, so kids don't bleed out from an otherwise non-mortal wound, waiting for the building to be cleared, so EMTs can enter. Most buildings are very secure, but as was shown in the last shooting, doors can be breached. Kids know all the "weak" spots in the building they attend. They know the lunch schedules and recess times when doors will be open, if even for a short amount of time. We have "bullet resistant fillm' on all the glass on ground level. Will not stop armor piecing ammo, or FMJ from high powered rifles. Thus the glass can be breached and the mandatory panic bars on the inside of the doors, accessed. Easy, Peasy.

School/Mass shootings are never going away. The will just continue to get worse as long as guns continue to be so deeply ingrained into our society. It is the price our kids will have to pay, and something we have to accept, if we insist on keeping access to firearms as easy as it is. The price we will have to pay, just may be our life, in order to protect our kids under those conditions. If you cannot accept dying in order to protect our kids and your rights, then you don't deserve any of either. JMTCs.
 
I just can’t fathom any part of this. The sickness that leads a person to do the heinous act of killing innocent kids, the responsibility to respond and kill a kid of a kid was indeed the shooter as they originally thought, the guilt of the survivors. Thankfully it ended quickly.

You need to remember that this shooter already had "mental problems". "It" was a trans, it showed suicidal tendencies, and there may have been some other problems not yet revealed. Isn't it amazing how many have already decided it was the "gun's fault" instead of the nutjob that misused a tool?
 
School/Mass shootings are never going away. They will just continue to get worse as long as guns continue to be so deeply ingrained into our society. It is the price our kids will have to pay, and something we have to accept, if we insist on keeping access to firearms as easy as it is. The price we will have to pay, just may be our life, in order to protect our kids under those conditions. If you cannot accept dying in order to protect our kids and your rights, then you don't deserve any of either. JMTCs.

Buck, I disagree with the bold part of your post. I do not believe that ANY mass shooting is because of guns. They are because the people doing the shooting have mental problems that our society has, as yet, not learned to deal with properly or adequately. There was a fairly recent knife attack in China where numerous people was stabbed or cut. It was caused by someone with mental problems.
Call it "evil" if you wish to but it is still a mental aberration.
 
Buck, I disagree with the bold part of your post. I do not believe that ANY mass shooting is because of guns. They are because the people doing the shooting have mental problems that our society has, as yet, not learned to deal with properly or adequately. There was a fairly recent knife attack in China where numerous people was stabbed or cut. It was caused by someone with mental problems.
Call it "evil" if you wish to but it is still a mental aberration.
if we treated out schools like airports or a sports event! we would slow the treat so that a gun can arrive or be deployed to stop evil. More GUNS is definitely the solution
 
My wife picked up a firearm the other day and didn't go on a homicidal spree. Numerous American Presidents have held firearms and didn't shoot up schools or festivals. Could be that there are rare firearms with magic powers imbued in them that turn people evil? That has to be the case because I go to the local gun range and see newbies all the time. They don't turn the gun range into a live target range. No, guns don't cause mass shootings. Unstable minds use guns in unsafe ways. Put the responsibility back on the people, not the tools. It's harder to do in a "woke" country, but some of us still do it.
 
A lot of private schools don't like to address the evils of the world and make themselves soft targets

Definitely, not my kids school. Staff CCW's on campus, have to be buzzed in, perimeter checks, etc. There are always things that need hardened on the perimeter, but when the parents are paying for everyone elses public schools and paying tuition at private school; the board of directors are up against a hard wall of raising tuition to fund such endeavors. It's already a large sacrifice parents are making sending kids to private school and getting taxed for everyone else's kids.

Maybe if we can one day have our paid public taxes follow the student to where they attend, be it home school, private school, or public school then maybe there will be funding for an security officer and further hardening of perimeters.

Our school does what they can with the resources they are afforded. I can provide a link to a donation page if you want to donate to the security of our school?
 
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Heartburn I have with this story:
1. "Assault weapons" used and/or AR style rifleS (emphasis mine). We all know that the media is clueless about guns and that an anti-2A agenda is being pursued. One of the weapons was an AR-15 and the other was a Kel-tec sub-2000
2. A focus on using the "proper" pronouns for the shooter by reporters.
3. The shooter turned out to be a gender confused woman. It is a mental health issue that is being glossed over because "it doesn't hurt anyone". BS...it certainly seems to have killed 7 people in this instance.

Kudos to Nashville/Metro PD for handling the situation so well, especially when compared to other LE agencies such as Uvalde or Parkland. They did it right.

I'm no longer concerned with being politically correct, "enlightened" or woke. I will be truthful and say the truth. If it offends someone or gets me kicked off of a platform, it will be obvious that the platform is not concerned with the truth.
I never considered myself to be politically correct, ever. There's right and wrong with some grey.
 
I just can’t fathom any part of this. The sickness that leads a person to do the heinous act of killing innocent kids, the responsibility to respond and kill a kid of a kid was indeed the shooter as they originally thought, the guilt of the survivors. Thankfully it ended quickly.
Same here, I don't know what drives a person to do this and walk into a school full of innocents and stalk like a predator looking for defenseless children while looking all militant, like you are actually serving a purpose or drawing attention to a critical issue, but this is pure hate, cowardice and resentment. All I can think is they have towering resentments in their life that they just can't square and are too cowardly to look for an actual fight, too much "me, me, me, me ,me, I'm so marginalized, oh I got bullied, waaah" cry me a river.

I hope every aspiring shooter sees this bodycam footage and takes it as a sign that their kind are being studied and the failures of the past are just that, and hopefully the next one is killed in a quicker, swifter fashion before any innocents are lost...... these LEO'S acted quickly and as soon as that one LPVO rifle guy showed up it was like game on, LETS GO!

That's what needs to happen and I wish I could shake all their hands.....
 
How many of you members would run in there knowing you would die?

Never having been in combat I can't honestly say what I would do. I sincerely hope that I would have that much courage.

Don't know about you, but I could never live with myself if I did not try. Even a distraction could save a life or two till the cops got there. JMTCs.

Buck, I don't think I could live with myself either.
 
How many of you members would run in there knowing you would die?
I expect very few would run in knowing they were going to die (which isn't the case in most of these situations, and wasn't the case in this one) unless they believed their children or loved ones might be saved from death by the act. But there are probably several here and elsewhere in society who would go into a dangerous situation like this where there was a chance of getting wounded or killed, but they would go in to confront an evil, mentally ill person who was in the process of killing innocents, including children.

Furthermore, I'd say that the fear of getting wounded or killed when confronting evil such as this probably stops FEWER brave people from taking action in a situation like this than does the fear of being bankrupted or spending the rest of your life in jail as a result of taking action against one of these mentally ill "victims of society" who is perpetrating these horrors.
 
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My nephew, who was a Delta operator for 10 years and deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan, always says that there are a lot of things worse than dying, especially for a good cause. When I first read of this on my phone I scrolled further down and there was a story about 6 girls under the age of 19 who were killed the same day at 2 am in a car roll over also in Tennessee. Two adults were also injured. There were no comments about regulating cars or drivers in the article...
 
School/Mass shootings are never going away. The will just continue to get worse as long as guns continue to be so deeply ingrained into our society. It is the price our kids will have to pay, and something we have to accept, if we insist on keeping access to firearms as easy as it is. The price we will have to pay, just may be our life, in order to protect our kids under those conditions. If you cannot accept dying in order to protect our kids and your rights, then you don't deserve any of either. JMTCs.

We didn't seem to have a lot of this back when you could buy a gun through the mail. Guns were deeply ingrained in our culture. That's not what changed. Television? The Internet? Letting the inmates out of the asylums?

Hardening schools like we do airports and stadiums will stop people who aren't determined. But a lot of those kind of people are determined. It WILL happen sometimes, and it WILL make the news.
 
My nephew, who was a Delta operator for 10 years and deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan, always says that there are a lot of things worse than dying, especially for a good cause. When I first read of this on my phone I scrolled further down and there was a story about 6 girls under the age of 19 who were killed the same day at 2 am in a car roll over also in Tennessee. Two adults were also injured. There were no comments about regulating cars or drivers in the article...
The narative by those in charge seems to be the driving factor to me. Also lack of an intermediate location to house and monitor individuals that don't fit in either the insane or highly criminal categories. It seems a conscious decision was made about 40 years ago to take this direction and the end game just might be to strip the average citizen of our firearms rights. Yesterday one person caused many harm with a firearm while many hundreds of thousands of people all owning firearms behaved themselves as we all should. Talk about a vocal minority letting the tail wag the dog!:confused:
 
A lot of private schools don't like to address the evils of the world and make themselves soft targets
Former public school teacher here. If you think public schools are underfunded then you would be simply amazed at the sort of shoestring budgets private schools deal with. I think the average Christian school couldn’t possibly find the money to pay someone.

Add to that the fact that most school buildings built before the new century weren’t designed with security in mind. A locked door is meaningless when there’s a big sheet of glass right beside it. School security and preventing intruders simply weren’t design criteria in most districts until the post-Columbine era.
 
Florida found a simple solution to fight evil! Guardian Program keep trained gun to the fight
As I understand it, the Guardian Program is entirely optional, and it' sup to the local school board to participate. In Florida, each county has it's own school board. Of the 67 counties, how many are actually participating in this program? I only know of one.
 
As I understand it, the Guardian Program is entirely optional, and it' sup to the local school board to participate. In Florida, each county has it's own school board. Of the 67 counties, how many are actually participating in this program? I only know of one.
well there should be more! and riflemen on the ground too! this is not 1985 anymore, innocent is OVER
 
it’s a serious question. Everyone thinks they would, but look at Ulvade.
So again, what kind of question is this? What response do you hope to elicit? If someone says they would, you can doubt them. If someone says they wouldn’t, people can call them names? Nobody can know what they would actually do until it happens. Nothing productive can come of this…. *shrugs*
 
The will just continue to get worse as long as guns continue to be so deeply ingrained into our society.

Guns have been engrained in our society since the founding of our country and are not the problem. Blaming them for these types of shooting is, to paraphrase Rahm Emanuel's famous quote, not letting a crisis go to waste. The left wants to do away with private gun ownership in this country and to that end uses these shootings to push for more gun control. While they're doing that they not only ignore what is the equivalent of a mass shooting each week in Chicago and other major cities, they increase the likelihood of violent crime occurring by refusing to prosecute violent criminals. They have made it clear that they do not value life, and pretending to do so by using these tragedies for their political purposes is disgusting. I was born and raised in Chicago, and if we heard gun shots it was because someone was shooting at another person. We moved to a rural part of Wisconsin a couple of years ago and I often hear gun shots, but it's people target shooting or hunting. The difference is due to completely different cultures, as the issues that are rotting much of the country are rare here, and until that rot is addressed things will continue to get worse.
 
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Outstanding action from the LEO's. Seemed like they got on the scene and got in the fight immediately, no wasted time standing in the parking lot.
Really? Fourteen minutes? Did the Uvalde incident so thoroughly diminish our expectations of law enforcement?
 
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