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Bcwitt said:
Is a service truck w a utility trailer. Approx 40' combined. I was hauling steel tubing & flat bar stock. Sudden braking w steel bars can send them foreward w even the best rigging. My trailer brakes really well, but ill never be able to outmanuver a Toyota.
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Yep. Sudden braking with any load is problematic, but I've seen some gruesome pictures from tubing going through cabs. No thank you.

If it's your truck, there are options to modify it to make it more bullet resistant. It isn't really comforting, but if you are an adrenaline junkie, incoming fire is very exciting as long as it misses you. Create distance, adjust speed - even minor like from 58 to 62, and keep moving.

I might add an extra first aid kit with some GSW specifics like compression bandages and a tourniquet. Just in case they get lucky.

Your goals should be something like:
1. Don't die
2. Don't injure/kill anyone on accident
3. Don't go to jail
 
Your goals should be something like:
1. Don't die
2. Don't injure/kill anyone on accident
3. Don't go to jail
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I would modify the list slightly.

Your goals should be something like:
Start by doing everything in your power to avoid the situation in the first place.
1. Don't die
2. Don't injure/kill anyone on accident
3. Don't go to jail
 
chicharrones said:
So, the passenger rolls down the window to launch lead? Sounds like a planned retaliation or a threat to make you pull over for a robbery. Sure would be interesting to know what the State Trooper said is the primary cause.

Every time I've seen road rage, it's the driver's that are ticked off. The passengers (if any) tend to look like they want no part of it.
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Was the driver only. Was an AR pistol or similar. Looked like a long suppresor. Which brings up another point. What if its not a gun @ all? It might have been a super soaker. What are the ramifications then?
 
1. Generally it doesn't matter if the gun is real or not from the standpoint of justifying deadly force.
2. It means you and the other motorists aren't going to get shot by the bad guy--but you have no way of knowing that.
3. It doesn't change anything in terms of the problematic aspects of shooting while driving.
 
chicharrones said:
So, the passenger rolls down the window to launch lead? Sounds like a planned retaliation or a threat to make you pull over for a robbery. Sure would be interesting to know what the State Trooper said is the primary cause.

Every time I've seen road rage, it's the driver's that are ticked off. The passengers (if any) tend to look like they want no part of it.
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This was late AM on I95 appoaching Phila international AP. There was traffic everywhere. He was all over the road. Just a nutcase Philadelphian.
 
JohnKSa said:
If this is the trailer scenario and you're going slower than the rest of traffic then it shouldn't have been possible for the driver to circle your vehicle without using the right shoulder. If you aren't going slower than the rest of the traffic, there's no reason for him to be upset with you.*

There's only one rule for minimizing risk from road-ragers. Don't do stuff you know is going to make some people angry.

This is not about what you have a RIGHT to do, it's about what keeps your risk the lowest. It doesn't make sense to ignore the risk at first and then suddenly, part way through the scenario to try to start minimizing your risk at that point. When it's all over, other people will look at the scenario and make decisions about what led up to the incident and any evidence that you contributed to the situation will count against you to at least some extent.

Don't drive slower than the rest of traffic without being in the right lane.
If someone wants to get past you, let them past as soon as it is safe.
Don't honk at people to vent your feelings, use your horn only to alert someone of an impending accident or safety issue.
Use your turn signal.
Merge as soon as is safe/legal and/or wait in line to merge, don't drive to the front of the line and try to push your way in.
Don't tailgate.
Don't gesture angrily at other drivers.
Don't cut people off.
Don't try to take revenge when another driver irritates you.
Pay attention to the road--it's usually possible to see situations developing and take steps to prevent them from turning into confrontations.
No need to make a complete list, we all know what's on it.

*If you are worried about the scenario where you are driving courteously and some crazy person still threatens you with a gun then you do only what is absolutely required to survive, doing your absolute best to not endanger other innocents (because that's always the right thing to do) and hope that you can survive the legal aftermath. That said, the advice I've seen is trying to shoot while driving is problematic.
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He used the rt 420 exit ramp to get on my right side & got beheind me. Is a very long exit. I never left the right lane. I95 is 3 lanes wide each way. 4 lanes including the exit.
 
I can’t believe anyone would seriously contemplate shooting back while driving. The response needs to be getting away from the threat as fast and as safely as possible.

If traffic permits, get on the brakes, let the threat drive past then take the next exit. Change lanes, put traffic between you, it’s all situationally dependent.
 
Jeff White said:
I can’t believe anyone would seriously contemplate shooting back while driving. The response needs to be getting away from the threat as fast and as safely as possible.

If traffic permits, get on the brakes, let the threat drive past then take the next exit. Change lanes, put traffic between you, it’s all situationally dependent.
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That is what i did. I did not exit, i pulled over & called the police. I definatly do not want to catch up to him. It was obvious this was a very colatterally dangerous shooting scenario. My intention here was to discuss better more appropriate methods.
 
Decades ago a friend and I spent a day in the desert, shooting at things from a moving vehicle. The short version is that it's shockingly difficult to hit anything that way, and surprisingly easy to point your gun at things you don't want to shoot - yourself, for instance. We almost instantly gave up trying to shoot while driving, as it was useless and dangerous. Firing from a passenger seat was quite a bit safer but still almost completely pointless. I can scarcely imagine a scenario where participating in a behind-the-wheel gunfight could be a good - let alone successful - plan.
 
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.38 Special said:
Decades ago a friend and I spent a day in the desert, shooting at things from a moving vehicle. The short version is that it's shockingly difficult to hit anything that way, and surprisingly easy to point your gun at things you don't want to shoot - yourself, for instance. We almost instantly gave up trying to shoot while driving, as it was useless and dangerous. Firing from a passenger seat was quite a bit safer but still almost completely pointless. I can scarcely imagine a scenario where participating in a behind-the-wheel gunfight could be a good - let alone successful - plan.
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No doubt.
 
In my mind there are scenarios where I may not face legal ramifications for self defense, such as an armed person breaking into my home or attempting to rob me (threatening / using deadly force) in a grocery parking lot.

Me popping off rounds in "self defense" while driving down the road? I envision getting arrested, incarcerated and suffering various negative consequences.
 
Bcwitt said:
That is what i did. I did not exit, i pulled over & called the police. My intention here was to discuss better more appropriate methods.
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Then you made the correct choice...and chose wisely.

There are no more appropriate methods of dealing with the situation described...if it has already started despite your attempts to avoid it.

.38 Special said:
I can scarcely imagine a scenario where participating in a behind-the-wheel gunfight could be a good - let alone successful - plan.
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As someone who has tried this, under controlled conditions, and attended training in the use of firearms around vehicles, I can attest that the above is correct.

Don't be mislead by what you have seen on TV or the silver screen
 
Human beings are stupid. When I was in the National Guard I had to drive through Denver during rush hour in a PLS loaded with explosives (Artillery Ammunition).

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Stock Photo.

The truck was part of a convoy. It had explosives placards all over it and people were cutting me off in traffic and Brake Checking me the whole way through town.

I'm not ever going to drive a truck and trailer again. In my car I'd get off at the next exit no matter what. The only exception would be if it led to East St Louis.
 
Night Rider said:
Human beings are stupid. When I was in the National Guard I had to drive through Denver during rush hour in a PLS loaded with explosives (Artillery Ammunition).

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Stock Photo.

The truck was part of a convoy. It had explosives placards all over it and people were cutting me off in traffic and Brake Checking me the whole way through town.

I'm not ever going to drive a truck and trailer again. In my car I'd get off at the next exit no matter what. The only exception would be if it led to East St Louis.
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They would just love to sue the army. Lol
 
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