UK Legalises "Maximum Force"

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Hurray! Legals Cheifs and Tozza Blair have all backed "Maximum Force" in defence of one's home!

It's not RKBA, but it means the tiny coils of det-cord under my floorboards controlled by X-10 over my palmtop are now, basically, legal.

Well... maybe not, but the principle is there.

Either way - It's a serious victory for Home Defence in Blighty :D

HUZZAH!!!!!
 
Does that mean if I move to England, I can set up pungii sticks in my lawn, and add flamethrowers as parameter defences?
 
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Basically the new law is "You can do what you want while they've on their way in, you can do what you want while they're on your property, but you must not impede their retreat"

So - wounds in their back is Bad.

Normal UK 'strictions on firearms apply. Shotties or Longs only with a licence, handguns are verboten as only paedophile kiddy-murderers would ever want those.

Saline-mist ejectors with fourteen truck batteries shorting through the cloud would seem to be fine.
 
You can own a saiga shotty as long as you put a barrel extender on it. There are also guys over there with AKs with disabled gas systems (you work the bolt like a swiss straight pull action). Dunno if SKS is legal. I think semiauto is blanket banned. An enfield with a bayonet would probably be the ticket for burglar repelling and it is even a good british gun.

This is sweet news by the way. I predict burglaries down like a billion percent in a years time.
 
This is sweet news by the way. I predict burglaries down like a billion percent in a years time.
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I got knocked back darn near 20k US dollars this time last year by a burglar.

Never again, sir. Never the hell again.

So mote it be.
 
By the way the rules are basically:

Shottie: Need a licence - pumps are restricted to three rounds. Solids are verboten.

Rifle: Need a licence - semis are verboten. Four rounds max.

Pistols: Forget it. Utterly illegal. No handheld self-determination device is permitted on British Soil unless one is a Sandhurst alumnus in Good Standing and on Service Dutries, or a Military Policeman, on duty, or an Armed Policeman on Duty.

Handguns for Civilians are utterly forbidden on pain of six years imprisonment without trial.
 
RavenVT100

It ain't right, and it ain't proper.

But they'll have to apprehend me first, sir.

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I reserve the right to defend myself, my family and my home. I am rejoycing my ability to do this. The method I choose is between myself and my beliefs in Human Dignity. No other.

I feel happier that I can defend my home. I am a scientist, and artist, and a teacher. I can come up with any number of reasons for why my assailant's chest is missing.
 
By the way...

Thank you for your immediate support. I knew I could come here, to the High Road, with my newly legislated self-defence and home-defence abilities, and be happy.

My friends, today I celebrate my proper and legitimate home defence rights with you. The Englishman's home is his castle once more. It's about frelling time.
 
Actually, if you are only going to be defending indoors, have you considered getting a battle-axe or sharp sword? English burglars are most likely not armed with guns, and even if they are, most areas inside your house will be within sword range. Or you can combine pepper spray (er bear repellent) with the sword for maximum burglar pwnage.

Or a bow? Broadhead arrows are quite deadly, even defeating body armor. They dont have much stopping power, but an assailant with an arrow in his lung isnt going to have a lot fight in him.

I just read up on the UK firearms laws again and how hard of a dance is it to be a member of a shooting club? My relatives were shocked when I told them about all the guns I owned without being in a shooting club. I was like "yeah I just own them" and they were like "oh noes." But they werent too weirded out since their 14 year old son is in the young cadet program where they shoot L98s and he gets to practice clearing jams on Britains bullpup wonder-rifle. I didnt mention concealed carry.

If getting a firearms license isnt too big a deal, I recommend something (a lever gun perhaps?) in 45-70 govt, and load the gun with soft lead wadcutters. It isnt quite a slug gun, but it should knock someone down in one shot (even if they are hiding behind something). Also should easily fit underneath your 600mm overall length restriction.
 
Beer,

I shall quaff with you one day. I feel certain. Yet hearken to my tail of woe.

We have an approximate half-million pistols in the country - all in the hands of brigands. None for the lawful man. Also, any and all gases are illegal - mace, pepper, CS - all verboten. Even the pop-cap of CS on my girlfriend's mini maglite is illegal. Erm. Would be. If she had one. Which she doesn't. Honest, Guv.

Gases are illegal - even Jalapeno spray.

Kevlar vests are illegal. All body armour is illegal.

This is a *minor* victory - the war is far, far, far from won!

Arrows... bullet-heads are legal. Everything else (broadheads, splitheads, spreadheads, Harlequin Kiss heads) are illegal.

So yeah, we can penetrate 4" lexan with a bullet-head arrow. But a meat-shredder head which is any good in a close-fight is verboten.

Basically, combat heads on arrows are illegal.

And getting a firearms licence requires that you prove need to own a gun. Like being on the Olympic team, or being a gamekeeper.

As for spreadheads - forget it. Fully jacketted ball, or nothing.

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I forgot.

I'm six-foor-four. My GF is 5'4". I don't give a wet slap, frankly, as long as I'm allowed to stalk and drop and intruder using "maximum force". I'm a nasty, nasty, sneaky bastich. And now I get to do horrible things to intruders. I don't need a gun, Tovarisch. I just need legal separation.

I don't need a formal gun. I can do very well just given the right to murtalise the bastich.
 
Everything else (broadheads, splitheads, spreadheads, Harlequin Kiss heads) are illegal.
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You actually have restrictions like that on ARROW HEADS?? :what: :what: :what:

How utterly pathetic and disgusting. I think I have lost all respect for Britich law. The rest of my adjectives woudl not be approved by Art's granny
 
Trapperjohn.

Yup.

We only just got back the right to hit a burglar over the head with a cricket bat!
 
This is a very encouraging step in the right direction.

The British have too much common sense to have allowed this inequitable situation to go on indefinitely.

If gradualism is the right approach, then perhaps the next step would be pushing for relaxation of the requirements for obtaining a firearms license. Home defense should be made a valid reason for obtaining a license. The next step would then be a move to a "shall issue" license system, etc.

Where is the British National Rifle Association and other UK gun owner's associations in this debate?
 
So what _can_ you do?

If by "spread-heads" you mean expanding bullets, then just stick to 45 caliber and dont worry about expansion. If the restriction is only on expansion and jacket, then use jacketed flat-head (wadcutter) bullets. You will get lots of wound trauma.

If you really can't get a firearms license (and arent just being defeatist) then how about a shotgun? The restrictions on gauge seem to be very lax. A double barrel shotty would be cheap and very deadly. #1 buckshot if you can get it. 00 buck seems plentiful and cheap these days and would make an excellent killing round. A single buckshot round will do a ton more damage at close range than ANY rifle bullet. 2 or 3 rounds isnt much to work with though.
 
Beer,

You're missing the point.

We're not allowed guns, basically. Not at all, in any practical home-defense sense.

We were restricted to "reasonable force" in subduing burglars, you see. "Reasonable force" basically related to what the barrister had for breakfast.

Now we are permitted "maximum force", which means the next burglar I find will have a sudden cleaver to the spine as hard as I can drive it. Because I am not allowed projectile weapons (being a law-abider), I will have to kill the intruder out-of-hand rather than EG, shooting him in the leg by way of saying "no, don't rob me."

I have a problem with this, but I'll go with it. Beats having my 6-stone GF meeting a burglar.
 
Narrow edge of a Cricket bat could be fun.
Two words: Broad Axe.
Is a potato gun out of the question? Oh, wait. Solid projectiles...nevermind.
Throwing knives? Stars?
Fire Extinguisher? Blast him then whack him? Could you buy a normal fire extinguisher filled with Bear-stregnth OC, and blast him with OC then whack him? :evil:



Is beating him about the head and face as he retreats, knocking him in the general direction of his chosen escape, technically "impeding?" :evil:
 
Gentlebeings,

I assure you that if I catch a burglar in my house, I will not challenge-then-attack, I will assume he's whacked out on PCP and will think I'm a giant mushroom named Godfrey out to comsume his soul, and therefore not amenable to reason.

I don't know crap about how much force is required to incapacitate a human being, but I do know how much love is needed to lay one's life down for one's fellows. So I will lay down this fellow'a life, because I love mine own.

We Englandians have got carte-blanche to kill in our homes. Don't need a gun for that, got my Licence, and I'm a physicist ;)

Trust me, fellers. I don't need a gun to do The Right Thing. I've got three-phase mains, I've got sharp edges, and I've got my Chemistry Set.

He ain't gonna rob no more. Glory, glory, Hallelujiah..... ;)
 
Well .... this is, I think and hope ... a much needed step in the right direction.

I suggest maybe a ''Louisville Slugger'' always at hand ... and/or maybe the invaluable sock filled with loose (lots!) change. I'd still like to think that if you have a legal shottie then that too can be ''useful''. :p

Near 5 years since I left - funny really - I think back to when I had .357 N frame Smith as ''house companion'' all those years ago .... still, this sounds potentially halfways useful.

Maybe once more an Englishman's home could just be his castle.
 
Maybe once more an Englishman's home could just be his castle.
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Yessir. A firearm may be the easiest way to reduce a foe - but the legal right to do so is more important, when one is a civilised, law-abiding, tax-paying fellow, trying to build one's own way in the world.

It is now legal for me to reduce my foe. I don't need a gun, sir. I don't need anything but the right to say "This is my place, you are not welcome here".

I have that now - I sleep better for it, knowing that there are far fewer people who will try my passive security - locks and bolts - for the fact that now, instead of being able to sue a homeowner for assault for twitting them with a skillet, they're now a practical experiment from Gray's Anatomy for entry without warrant.

That, for me, is enough. For now.

Heh. I know which floorboards creak. They don't ;)
 
Oh yeah, who could forget the classics from NYC halloween:
-sack full of doorknobs, and his little brother
-tube sock full of D batteries (really hurts more than you would expect)
-aluminum baseball bat (hollow) filled with lead or ball bearings
-water gun full of bleach
-water gun full of nair
-water gun full of pee

God I miss NYC. No wait, I dont.
 
I assure you that if I catch a burglar in my house, I will not challenge-then-attack, I will assume he's whacked out on PCP and will think I'm a giant mushroom named Godfrey out to comsume his soul, and therefore not amenable to reason.
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I think I like you. :D
 
Hmm, a crossbow, chainsaw, axe, good sword, baseball bat, ect. in the closet should make for good English intruder ownage me thinks.

Are Jalepeno peppers illegal?????? :confused:
 
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