President vows to push immigration proposal

I asked for your personal opinion

You appear to believe asking the other thread writers questions that have been answered insufficiently by a 100 better authors is a winning tactic. I think it tedious. It's also not "carrying the field" in this discussion.
Playing the racist card is ....never mind.
I've read too many of your other posts to think these tactics worthy of you.

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I asked for personal opinions. Again the question wasnt answered. As far as playing the race card. If it isnt financial it must be some other reason. What reasons are left? This is america where we are free to do as we like. So if it isnt financial what is it?

Sounds like the race card is being played by Anti immigration groups. John Tanton said we are being out bred my the brown ones.
Our white identity is being endangered. Is that a racist statement? Yes it is.

Reminds me of the "Yellow Plague". Ever wave of immigrants coming to america has been subject to this abuse. the irish the italians,germans. I wonder what the mexicans and american indians thought when the white man came.

If it walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, It is a duck.
So if it is not racial, qualify the statement in your own words.
Otherwise you sound like the people from stormfront to me.

This isnt racial and it isnt cultural, at least not to me or anyone else I know. Its about bringing in floods of desperately poor people to circumvent the labor laws and cost of living in this country. This has the side effect of bankrupting governments that provide social services to their citizens and also raising crime rates as migrants discover they can commit crimes and run back across the border.

I wouldnt care if the guys south of the border were chinese, hasidic jews, protestants or black people. This is entirely a "what they are doing" issue not a "what they are" issue.

I believe this proposal by Bush is not a viable solution to the illegal immigration problem. It sends the message to people, whose first act as "immigrants" to this country is illegal, that illegalities on their part will be tolerated. It also opens the door to further violations of immigration laws by others who believe that they will also be tolerated.

The idea that there is no cultural component to mass immigration, which today is mainly illegal immigration, doesn't hold water. It should obvious to everyone on this forum that the American Left is in love with "multiculturalism." Ask yourself why. Multiculturalism is the wedge to subvert the principle of "e pluribus unum" that underlies our Republic.

It is not "racist" to understand the legacy of law and freedom and wish to defend it. It is not about being white; it is about the system of values and principles that have arisen mainly in the West and of which our nation happens to be the prime carrier in today's world. Any nation, any race, any culture can play--but they must grasp the rules and embrace them.

I hear Bush is getting all het up over the fact that a growing sector of his own party doesn't see eye to eye with him on his proposals to deal with illegal immigration. Ah. Well, not unexpected. Let's see if Bush, as Chief Executive, can execute the will of the people--or whether he believes he knows better than the people and is being personally guided by some divine light of "compassion." I'd like to say I'm optimistic Bush can be a good pragmatist, but I'm not. I think he stands to take the GOP from giddy heights to very depressing lows in a remarkably quick time unless sterner minds take him aside and snap him back to reality.

It has occurred to me that bush is going to "fight" for immigration reform as a way of scaring congress into acting in the opposite direction. There has been a lot of anger over this issue all over the place, especially in the republican party. Surely the republicans cant be so stupid as to walk away from half their constituents. Even Hillary sees that being for the illegals is a bad move.

Illegal aliens (no matter what their ethnicity) are criminals in the process of commiting a crime.

We should treat them as such....

And people like President Bush & why_me are actively promoting the commission of criminal acts by these criminals.

We should treat them as such, too...

The reasons stated for immigration amnesty are no more genuine than the reasons given for going into Iraq. It would be nice to hear straight talk once in awhile. I think we can handle it. Why not have objections up front instead of after the fact, causing retractions and give-me-a-break pronouncements?

Seeker read my posts before mouthing off

And people like President Bush & why_me are actively promoting the commission of criminal acts by these criminals

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You just dont read my posts, do you seeker? When did i ever promote illegal immigration?
Im against
--Illegal Immigration
--Guest worker program
--Amnesty

I live in a city with a very large black population. Every night on the news i see blacks (and whites) getting arrested for crimes. Do you propose i join the KKK or the Aryan nation? When i see links to groups run by Glenn Spencer and John Tanton, being touted on here, I should go "check them out"? Im sorry if your too lazy to check out the credentials of these "anti immigrant" groups.
The anti immigrant message is the one for media consumption. Go deeper into there web sites and you see the real message they are trying to put out.
These people dont care if the mexicans are legal or illegal, they dont like them cause of the color of there skin. Does that alarm you? If it doesnt your not a believer in true american values. You know the value that we do not discriminate on race,color or creed. But then maybe im talking to the wrong crowd.

It has occurred to me that bush is going to "fight" for immigration reform as a way of scaring congress into acting in the opposite direction. There has been a lot of anger over this issue all over the place, especially in the republican party.

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I don’t pretend to know what goes through the heads of the people up in Washington. I will say that at every turn Bush has out maneuvered opponents. The AWB comes to mind. What better way to hold congress accountable for their actions than to say, “you send it to my desk, don’t expect me to stop youâ€â€¦

Bush...any questions?

I remember this from the 2000 election
Glad its not about Oil this time...not!

http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Immigration.htm
New temporary worker program includes illegal aliens
President Bush, saying the nation has failed millions of illegal immigrants who live in fear of deportation, yesterday proposed an ambitious plan that would allow undocumented workers to legally hold jobs in the US for the first time. The program that would bestow temporary legal status for at least 6 years on 8 million undocumented immigrants, as long as they keep their jobs. But it would not automatically put them on a path to obtaining citizenship or even permanent resident status.
"We must make our immigration laws more rational, and more humane," Bush told 200 Latino supporters attending his first White House announcement of the election year. "I believe we can do so without jeopardizing the livelihoods of American citizens." What Bush calls his "temporary worker" program was eagerly embraced by business groups but condemned as stingy and impractical by advocates for immigrants. Many said it has little chance of passing Congress in the form Bush described.

Source: Mike Allen, Washington Post, p. A1 Jan 8, 2004

Mexico: immigration reform in exchange for oil development
Bush envisioned a Mexican border open to labor, to trade, and open to investment-especially investment in energy. Mexico had banned foreign investment in its energy industry in 1938, and ever since, Mexican oil production has been controlled by the creaky, corrupt, and polluting state monopoly, Pemex. If Mexico opened itself to the exploration and development of its oil resources by American entrepreneurs & technology, Mexican oil might possibly displace Arab oil from the US market altogether.
For this energy "quid," Mexico would of course demand some equally valuable "quo"-and in Bush's mind that "quo" was immigration reform. Bush believed that immigration was valuable to the US and praised it again and again in public speeches and his private conversations.

So the Bush administration designed a system for regularizing the Mexican-US labor relationship-not an amnesty like that of 1986, but a grander system for enabling Mexicans to work in the US temporarily and then to go home again.

Source: The Right Man, by David Frum, p. 84-85 Jun 1, 2003

Against the spirit of CA Proposition 187
During his first campaign swing through California in June, Bush said he was “against the spirit†of Proposition 187-which in part would prevent illegal immigrants from attending public schools-and would not have supported a similar measure for Texas. “I felt like every child ought to be educated regardless of the status of their parents,†he said.
Source: David Von Drehle, The Washington Post Oct 15, 1999

The AWB comes to mind. What better way to hold congress accountable for their actions than to say, “you send it to my desk, don’t expect me to stop youâ€â€¦

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At the same time, the WH is in favor of restoring line item veto power.

We are now officially finished discussing which of us are slavering racist overseers and which of us are simpering liberal wimps.

Thank you all for participating in that important discussion. Now don't ever do it again.