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Kids threatened over drug money

08:36 AM CST on Thursday, January 27, 2005


By TAWNELL D. HOBBS and GRETEL C. KOVACH / The Dallas Morning News



The discovery of a large sum of money by at least one South Dallas elementary student has proven to be more trouble than treasure, sparking concerns that a drug dealer may resort to violence to retrieve the cash.

Authorities and parents say the drug dealer already has threatened children at their homes to recover the money – perhaps as much as $100,000.

The money apparently was found in the area of J.J. Rhoads Learning Center, where police and school officials took extraordinary measures Wednesday to protect the students and staff.

Parents at the school Wednesday said the money was shared among several students, and possibly others in the neighborhood. The identity of the student – or students – who found the money was not immediately known.

"We do know there are persons of all ages involved," Mr. Claxton said. "We are aware of multiple people that have received varying amounts."

Some parents said Wednesday that they're worried about what might happen to their children.

Erie Roy was watching television with her 12-year-old son Tuesday afternoon when two men stormed through her open front door with two of the boy's friends in tow.

One of the men kept his hand in his pocket as if he had a gun, she said, as one of the boys cried. He pleaded with her son, "Man, give them the money, I'm in trouble man, I'm in trouble."

The intruders towered over her son, who was home sick from school. The man who did all the talking threatened him, Ms. Roy said.

"He said, 'I don't have no problem with killing you. I want my money right now,' " she recalled.

Ms. Roy, a 39-year-old office worker for American Airlines Center, ordered her son into the kitchen and called 911. She put the phone on speaker and started describing the men, who ran out and drove away.

"The police took my name and number and said, 'If they come back, call us.' These are drug dealers. If they come back – I'm afraid," she said, sobbing. "I know they're going to hurt me. What am I supposed to do?"

After the men left her house Tuesday, she got a call from her 17-year-old son's best friend. The friend described two men who'd showed up at Lincoln High School and choked him, demanding their money.

On Wednesday night, Ms. Roy said her house was being watched by three men sitting in a car outside. That's when she sent her sons to a relative for safekeeping.

Ms. Roy said her youngest son was offered money by neighborhood kids Sunday but insists he never took it. Her older son, she said, didn't know about the money until he found out that the men barged into their home Tuesday.

Ms. Roy gave the intruders' license plate number to the police. She's afraid they'll come back.

"I know these people are serious. If they come back, these drug dealers, they're not coming back to have a cup of coffee," she said.

KaJuana Junior, another parent, said her 12-year-old daughter and other students were each offered $200 by a classmate. She said her daughter didn't take the cash.

Sgt. Gil Cerda, a Dallas Police Department spokesman, said that an investigation is under way and that students are being interviewed.

Safety concerns prompted authorities to beef up security at J.J. Rhoads Learning Center on Wednesday. Access to the school was restricted for about an hour as school district police patrolled the campus. The unusual security created an atmosphere of confusion at the school Wednesday afternoon, when children typically are released.

Some parents, including Jackie Austin, said they received phone calls telling them to pick up their children.

"They never did tell me what's going on," Ms. Austin said after retrieving her son.

When parents arrived, access to the building was limited.

"This is outrageous," one man said as he left the school with his young son.

Mr. Claxton said he could not comment on the specific nature of the potential threat to the school and its students. For now, he said, extra security will be stationed at the school.

Ms. Junior, whose daughter was among the students offered cash, doesn't plan to bring her children back to the school until the matter is cleared up.

"It's scary," she said. "We don't know what's going on."

Mr. Claxton said the district plans to send letters home with students to explain what has happened.

"We hope parents will be very understanding," he said.

Aimee Bolender, president of the teacher's group Alliance AFT, said teachers at the school are concerned that whoever is behind the threats could resort to a drive-by shooting. Some teachers, she said, were debating whether to come to work today.

"They need evidence that they will be protected," she said. "They are very, very fearful ... for themselves and their students."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...s/stories/012705dnmetfoundmoney.48e025d1.html

Well, the kids should be safe. After all, isn't it illegal to bring a gun to a school?
 
Well, if drug dealers are dumb enough to stash their cash where schoolkids can find it... I hope the kids have a heck of a spending spree with it! :D
 
"Ms. Roy, a 39-year-old office worker for American Airlines Center, ordered her son into the kitchen and called 911. She put the phone on speaker and started describing the men, who ran out and drove away.

"The police took my name and number and said, 'If they come back, call us.' These are drug dealers. If they come back – I'm afraid," she said, sobbing. "I know they're going to hurt me. What am I supposed to do?" "

Wait a minute. They're in her house. Threatening. She gets on the phone and they run instead of carrying out any actions against her. No grab the phone, no shooting before the connection to 911 is made. Nada.

So, why would she be afraid? She's dealing with idiots who regard a telephone as an adequate weapon...

Oh, well...

Art
 
They would be dead the first time they stormed into my house.
Amen. I don't understand some people...they're so confused about what to do...I guess they're expecting someone else to defend them. I wish they'd have the common sense to get armed.
 
Parents at the school Wednesday said the money was shared among several students, and possibly others in the neighborhood. The identity of the student – or students – who found the money was not immediately known.

#1 rule when you find $100,000 in drug money...****

I had a similar (not as expensive) thing happen to me when I was in college. I was with a group of friends and we had gone to the mall to see Hunt for Red October. When I got out of the car, I looked down and saw some rolled up bills with a rubber band around them. I pocketed them, thinking that I would see what was up later.

When I got back to the dorm, I counted the money...$2,400. I, being perpetually broke, figured it was drug money and decided to keep it. Being wise in the ways of money, I deposited it in my bank account through an ATM. The next day I was reading the paper before class and there was an article on a counterfeiting ring that had been operating in the area. When I got back to my room there was a message from the police, asking them to call them back. To make an already long story short, it didn't take them long to figure out that I wasn't a counterfeiter.

#2 rule...make sure the money is real
 
Rule #3 don't deposit large amouts of money you found on the street in the bank.

-Bill
 
I remember finding a quarter once...that is about the best I have ever done. No one tried to kill me over it anyway.
 
Rule #3 don't deposit large amouts of money you found on the street in the bank.

So true. I wish I could say that was the only stupid thing I did while in college. :cool:
 
Say you did find a lot of cash on the street. How would you go about spending it without arousing suspicion? Purely hypothetical! :uhoh:
 
"These are drug dealers. If they come back – I'm afraid," she said, sobbing. "I know they're going to hurt me. What am I supposed to do?"

You're supposed to go to the nearest sporting goods store, buy a Mossberg 500 or Winchester 870 along with some 00B, and learn how to use it.
 
DOPE LOTTO!

Where is sense of these parents, anyway? I can understand the kids getting lippy about a large sum of cash-they now have a huge problem on their hands and I suspect, the doper does too.

After all, unless he is the manufacturer of the substance, he has people to pay off too, and now has no way with which to do it. Not like he can call Di-tech and get a refinance loan.

The kids and parents better not blink for a while, every parent, child and teacher involved better have at least a cell phone if they don't already. If they are lucky, the doper will be found trussed, shot and tossed in a dumpster. I suspect that there is going to be more to this story, and it does not look good.

As to finding the money-don't buy high dollar items, especially things like autos or anything where the government is alerted. Dress down-not up. And buy your firearms from private owners.

Time for the little kiddies to come clean with the law and get the scum off the streets.
 
As to finding the money-don't buy high dollar items, especially things like autos or anything where the government is alerted. Dress down-not up. And buy your firearms from private owners.

I know people who had undertable second jobs or did odd jobs on the side that made quite abit of money. They got caught by the IRS by buying new cars and house they couldn't afford on their reported income. One guy I knew was turned in by someone who didn't like him.

-Bill
 
Actually I thought about this a lot a while back and I realized that the hard part of getting untaxed income into the economy is really only in moving enormous amounts of money. I think smallish amounts could be made to dissappear fairly easily. The problem arises I think when you are moving enormous sums of money on a steady basis and it is neither legitimate nor taxed. Red flags galore.

Problem Situation:
You have an illegal business that generates a lot of cash.
Solution 1:
Form a legitimate business that either handles large amounts of cash (like a convenience store or restaurant) or do business with such a business (hiding the cash transfers in the price he pays for goods and services by giving the difference back to him in cash).
Downside: you pay tax on the money because its just bogus cash income that isnt really where you claimed it was from.
Upside: you might be able to hide fairly large sums of money this way, though there are probably limits.

Solution 2:
Spend the money only on consumeables and other things that arent likely to stick out like sore thumbs. There are tons of services and small businesses (like mechanics, machinists, building contractors, carpenters) that will take cash for payment and even give you a discount.
Downside: The amount of cash that can be hidden this way is very small unless you require a sizeable amount of such services (like owning many properties that frequently require local contractors).
Upside: its pretty unlikely that anyone will rat you out since the guys doing the work for cash arent paying taxes either. It's also unlikely the FBI is keeping track of what mods you have on your car or what improvements you had done to your house.

The war on drugs and the IRS have colluded to really kill economic freedom in this country. Its very easy to get in trouble just for doing cash business it seems.
 
I know someone who has a VERY large amount of cash that they have accumulated throughout many years of doing business. Whenever someone paid in cash, they would simply put it in their pocket. From the last time I spoke to them, they had about $240,000 in small bills in a hidden safe room on their property. They built the room themselves from pre-fab components, and it is at least as secure as a typical bank vault. They buy whatever small items they want - gas, food, mechanical parts, etc., and nothing has ever been said, in 15+ years of doing business this way.

The point of all this is - if you are careful, don't try to take too much, and spend money over a long period on items which are not recorded in some central database - you can get away w/o paying taxes on income, and more to the point, you can gain a bit of financial security w/o anyone, including the government, knowing.

Personally, the benefits of this are nothing compared to the massive tax penalities you would pay if caught, but I can see having a few grand tucked away in case of absolute emergency.




I wonder, if there isn't an entirely seperate economy here in the South. I wonder how many people pocket cash transactions, and are careful to spend them in the same manner, to others who in turn pocket the cash.
 
Ive only lived here a few years and I can gauarantee you there is a cash economy down here. Too many guys are too willing to work for cash for it not to be the case. I think part of it is the enormous tourist industry with people getting paid heavily off the books and in tips, but also the fact that there is no state oversight of income tax returns because there arent any filed by 99 percent of the public.
 
"The police took my name and number and said, 'If they come back, call us.' These are drug dealers. If they come back – I'm afraid," she said, sobbing. "I know they're going to hurt me. What am I supposed to do?"

:rolleyes:

Yeah... cause you're totally defenseless by means other than your own decisions.
 
Every now and then a story surfaces about someone finding a large amount of cash in a paper bag or something, with an unknown owner . . . but I figure it's the iceberg principle at work: 90% of an iceberg is below the surface, so I figure 90% of the time the person is smart enough to keep his mouth shut and be discrete about spending the money.

Don't: Buy a Mercedes, Rolls or Ferrari with cash.
Don't: Buy anything that costs over $10,000 in cash from a regular business.
Don't: Deposit the money where there's a paper trail.
Don't: Spend on something extravagant. If you have a $50,000 a year job, going on a $100,000 elephant hunt might raise eyebrows.

Do: Keep your mouth shut.
Do: Keep a low profile.
Do: Keep your mouth shut.
Do: Use a fake name if buying lots of "other stuff" (jewelry, Rolex watch, big plama TV, etc.) with cash.
Do: Keep your mouth shut.
Do: Buy collectibles like rare coins, guns, etc. You can always say they were an inheritance or something.
Do: Finally, keep your mouth shut.
 
Do: Buy collectibles like rare coins, guns, etc. You can always say they were an inheritance or something.

Don't buy a bunch of them at the same place. Don't buy too many guns at gunshops since you leave a trail each time you buy one.

-Bill
 
"Say you did find a lot of cash on the street. How would you go about spending it without arousing suspicion?"

You spend it in small amounts, over a long period of time, in a lot of different locations.

The key is to resist the urge to go out and buy a BMW.
 
A ticket stub from the airplane ride to Las Vegas always works wonders to cover ill gotten gains. While you are required to fill out IRS forms if you take in any substantial money in one sitting, you can claim multiple small payouts should you later get audited.

Buy some nice jewelry/coins/etc. around town then sell it when you get home. Nobody in Vegas thinks twice if somebody wants to spend $2k cash on a bracelet. Spend some time off-loading cash at the Forum Shops at Ceasars. Treat yourself to some entertainment from the lovelies at Cheetahs while you're in town. When you get home, find a near-new used car you want from a private party sale.

There's always the old method of laundering the money by buying chips at the table and later cashing them in, but the security guards that watch the hundreds of video cameras that casinos have nowadays make it easy to pick somebody out doing this if the person trying to pull it off doesn't have a clue what they are doing. Hint, don't just belly up to a table game, and purchase $10k in chips, play one hand and walk off to the cashiers cage. The casinos know who their big spenders are and cater to them as such. Some schmoe that walks in and lays down all sorts of cash then quickly wanders away will get their attention. Do it again and it will start sending up flags.
 
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