Thought process of anti-gun people (long)

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I recently had the not so pleasant experience to discuss the topic of firearms with several people. After doing so it still puzzles me as to how certain people can be:

1. afraid of an inanimate object and/or
2. willing to depend on others for their safety and/or
3. so naive to think that nothing could ever happen to them, or if it did they would be able to stop it with mace or "grab a knife".

These were basically what the discussions came down to. One person was robbed and is now afraid of guns because they remind her of the incident. Amazing how people blame the instrument instead of the person using it. I asked her if she was ever in a car accident would she be afraid of cars for the rest of her life. Didn't like that question too much. :uhoh:

The next one said that he felt guns were "unneccessary" because there really is not a lot of violent crime around. That the "media blows it out of proportion". His comment was that I have lived my life this far and not needed a gun so why do I need one now? I asked him if he's gone through life and ever been saved by his seatbelt, no?.....why do you still wear it then? To which you get the standard response "my seatbelt isn't meant to kill people". :rolleyes:

The third really put it all together for me. This was a girl that I was really considering getting into a relationship with. She had proved very logical up to the point guns came up, when she said "I don't like the idea of guns". When questioned if she was alone in the middle of nowhere and several large men wanted to hurt her would she want a gun, she grudgingly admitted "yes in that extreme situation". But then she went on to say that she would NEVER be in that situation and that she'd live in a nice neighborhood and lock the doors. She was another one saying guns are not "neccessary" (god I hate that word) and what about "all the cops you hear that shoot people accidentally". Or what if you hear a noise at night and end up shooting your family member. :rolleyes:

So after all this it FINALLY struck me as to what the problem is. These people can't trust themselves to be responsible enough with a gun. They think that it would be more likely that they would screw up and injure or kill someone than they would use it to successfully defend themselves. This is truely sad to me as I can't imagine having that little confidence in myself to think I was not capable enough to keep a weapon for defending myself and had to leave it up to others.

Anyone else come to a similar conclusion? It definately gives new creedence to the term "sheep". :(
 
I think the answer is we live in a soft society. Self reliance has almost been bred out of the younger generations. That, and they think they are invincible, that nothing bad will ever happen to them.

Where I live in south Louisiana, EVERYBODY has AT LEAST one gun!
Which is one of the many reasons I love the place............ :D

Yanus
 
Not only do they lack confidence in themselves, they envy,fear, distrust and dislike YOUR capabilities. Incapable people are like that. :banghead: If you'd only disarm yourself- i.e. be more like them, they'd be much more comfortable, I'm sure.

Comfort is what it's all about, isn't it?

Jeff
 
Comfort is what it's all about, isn't it?

You hit the nail on the head with that one. That's what my one friend said to me. Something along the lines of "can't you do your friends a favor and not bring it with you everywhere if they're uncomfortable?"

No, I can't.

Not my problem that you are uncomfortable in the presence of a mere inanimate object. As I told him, he knows I would do just about anything for my friends but that is the ONE thing I will not do. Not only do I carry for self defense, but I took an oath to uphold the law and I take that oath seriously. I refuse to be caught in a situation where I could have prevented someone from getting hurt or killed but I was unable to do so because I didn't have my firearm. If he can't understand that then I don't know what else to tell him. Thankfully he just agreed to disagree and we are still friends. But women are not usually so easy that way.
 
THEY DONT HAVE A THOUGHT PROCESS They believe whatever the talking head on TV tells them or they read in the liberal asswipe that passes for a newspaper these days. They dont have two brain cells to rub together, and if they did their head would catch fire.

They also live in denial they dont believe it could happen to them.
They dont trust themsleves too be responsible enough to own a firearm, and they cant see how anyone else could be trusted either, since they are the most trustworth person they know.
 
Have you seen the video about the FN FiveseveN on the Brady Campaign website?

Their logic doesn't always add up. He says the FN should be banned from sale because it can kill police with vests on... but the 9mm and .40 he shot at it were safe to shoot at the officers... and then specifically said about the FN "This gun is safe..." while pointing it at the stomach of the guy next to him...

-Colin
 
I seem to remember reading (from this forum I think) the clinical terms for what you are talking about. It was the psychological analysis of the anti crowd, and how to deal with them. There was "Projection", "Denial", plus a few others. the only reason I remember it is that I printed it out in 2003 and just finished reading it in 2004 after I moved back from Germany. It was a good article, going to have to look it up again.

pwolfman
 
wolfman,

If you find that please let me know I'd be interested in reading it. :)
 
Ditto, I'd like to read it as well.
Antis...
They're too frustrating to think about, I can't contribute...
 
That was a great article there wolfman, muchos gracias! It basically confirmed what I had come to believe on my own. I really wonder though what it must feel like to think that way. Then again I don't think I really want to know. :uhoh:
 
"Thought process of anti-gun people" is, I'm afraid, an oxymoron.

Anti-gun sentiment is based wntirely on FEELINGS, not thoughts.

My brother was a big-time Anti, but also a very smart fellow.

In the months since we began discussing it, he has come to acknowledge that his position is based on emotion, that gun control doesn't stop crime, that law-abiding gun owners generally don't hurt people, and that taking rights away from all for the transgressions of a very few is unjust.

That's what you get when you THINK about things instead of FEELING about them.
 
In the months since we began discussing it, he has come to acknowledge that his position is based on emotion, that gun control doesn't stop crime, that law-abiding gun owners generally don't hurt people

That's usually the track I have followed before when debating anti-gun people. This time, however, I noticed the far more disturbing fact. The one woman I was discussing it with actually admitted that in the situation I described for her she WOULD want a gun.....but then right after that admission continued to say that she would never own one or have on in her house.

Her assertion was that the chance that an accident would happen or she would shoot someone innocent was greater than the chance of her needing the gun and successfully using it. I was at a loss for how to debate that point because if she doesn't trust herself to have a gun then there's really nothing I could say that would change that. And obviously if someone doesn't trust themself to have a gun it's highly unlikely they'd trust someone ELSE to have one either.
 
My favorite is hearing that there are too many wackos out there "running around with guns". In a latter conversation, same person tells me that I'm crazy for wanting to CCW. "You don't need to carry a gun, you live in a civilized society. What are you so afraid of?" First we're all in danger because of the NRA wackos, and all these criminals getting guns so easily, and then I'm a paranoid nut for daring to consider arming myself. Riiiight...

Bottom line, they're afraid and don't understand it. They're the truest of cowards, unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. They're weak and helpless, and rather than stand up and take charge of themselves, they're going to drag everybody they can down to their level of sniveling fright.
 
Fortunately or unfortunately, most all Americans have lived in a place that they are, for the most part, reasonably safe. We don't have to worry about someone kicking in our door in the middle of the night and never being seen again. We don't have to worry about being invaded by another country.

The anti's look at a firearm as a tool, but in their mind one who's main or even sole purpose is to kill or maim someone. Since it's extremely unlikely that they will be the victim (at least in their mind), the only thing a firearm is good for is to kill the innocent.

Or, since they've always been protected by someone else, let's just keep on doing it that way. If we eliminate all guns from society, there won't be any left to hurt me
 
years ago i stopped trying to change anyone's mind/view on any topic..the higher charged the subject the stronger the push from the opposing point of view becomes...its a waste of time/energy for me...

if a creep breaks into my house im not going to ask his/her view on gun control..

"It will never happen to me...!!" one of the main reasons i have guns is because i know it can happen..and has happened...and very well may happen again..no credit for location/property values/racial make-up of area...

instead of dialing 911..i have 9mm on speed dial

wolf
 
Here is the answer to understanding them...

"Debate is a civilized method of dialogue involving two groups seeking the truth.
Anti's don't debate or seek the truth. They use emotion to try and choke us out of existence."

RW3
 
One of the main arguments I get from the people I hang out with, who are "CS kiddies" and gamers, is that carrying a gun is sort of cowardice...just crack their skulls!
That gives me more of a laugh than normal anti gun comments, but still, frustrating.
Once again, I am at a failure to convey some of the arguments I've received.
 
One guy I work with doesn't like guns "because they make killing too easy. Any yahoo with a gun can kill someone without too much effort."

However, when I asked if he thought it would be okay if everyone carried a sword around for protection, I got no answer. :scrutiny: :rolleyes:
 
"because they make killing too easy. Any yahoo with a gun can kill someone without too much effort."

That's exactly what the woman in my third example said. "It's so easy to just pull a trigger". Then when I explained to her that it may be easy to pull a trigger but to actually HIT what you're aiming at isn't as easy as you think she just said "you're missing the point." When I asked what exactly "the point" was she just babbled something about how with a knife you have to get up close and personal but with a gun you just pull a trigger.....apparently to her that meant if someone had a gun they'd be more likely to kill someone just for the hell of it. :rolleyes:
 
A lot of people seem to think that shooting is incredibly simple, especially most gamers.
It's halarious.
They don't even get it when I say, "In real life, you don't have crosshairs floating in front of you that tells you where the bullet's going."
 
I game, a lot, and I also shoot a reasonable amount. I find that the only thing gaming does is improve dexterity. I believe my trigger control is improved from gaming, but I can't prove that. There's no way someone can learn a physical skill from a video game. It IS possible, however, to learn procedure from a game. Take America's Army for example, when you fix a jam on an M16, its the same procedure as an AR-15 - Smack magazine, pull charging handle, hit forward assist, and you're good to go.

If I ever have to use a gun in self-defense, I hope to GOD the creep is an avid gamer and has never been to a range.
 
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