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Some of the folks in the old west managed to have saloon brawls without pulling weapons.
The Lynyrd Skynyrd song... is it anti-gun?
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Phyphor
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Some of their other really good songs are:
The Ballad of Curtis Loew - A song about a black blues player,
Four Walls of Raiford - Not too widely known, but it does point to some of the issues vietnam vets had upon returning home...
And one of Johnny Van Zant's best songs, IMO is Brickyard Road... On the Hunt isn't bad either.
The Ballad of Curtis Loew - A song about a black blues player,
Four Walls of Raiford - Not too widely known, but it does point to some of the issues vietnam vets had upon returning home...
And one of Johnny Van Zant's best songs, IMO is Brickyard Road... On the Hunt isn't bad either.
Itote
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I read the history of LS a few years ago in a box set that my buddy bought. It specifically stated that LS was anti gun. Ronnie Van Zant, Stevie Gaines, and Cassie Gaines(Stevie's sister)was the band members killed in the crash. Don Kilpatrick, their manager, was also killed. Gimme back my bullets was about the billboard position as posted earlier. Still, they are my favorite band.
By the way, the new members do a great job. Still got them awesome guitarists!
By the way, the new members do a great job. Still got them awesome guitarists!
Magnuumpwr
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Considering the time that the song was wrote, I hold no ill feelings toward the Skynyrd band. Now if a new band comes out with a song dealing with gun control as a main theme, you can bet the farm I'll avoid it like the plague.
Quote:
"So why don't we dump 'em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me"
I feel the same way, when wrote if you carried a gun when you went out drinking, it only had one use!! In fact, the shorter barrel was to make it easier to put in a pocket and conceal. Now it is considered an ideal CCW.
Times change and if you understand this, you'll have a better understanding of the past. And just for the record, I'm not saying all changes are for the good, but they will happen. It's up to us all as a whole to control the changes.
Quote:
"So why don't we dump 'em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me"
I feel the same way, when wrote if you carried a gun when you went out drinking, it only had one use!! In fact, the shorter barrel was to make it easier to put in a pocket and conceal. Now it is considered an ideal CCW.
Times change and if you understand this, you'll have a better understanding of the past. And just for the record, I'm not saying all changes are for the good, but they will happen. It's up to us all as a whole to control the changes. freebird
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Thanks Magnuumpwr you provided the best response yet! Look at the times, they are talking about more stupid people than anything else! People back in the 70's would carry guns to bars for one thing and it was not for self defense because they were an inoccent bystander and got assulted. They would carry because when they started crap they could not finish they would shoot someone. Big difference! Plus the song says why don't we dump em people to the bottom of the sea. I always thought this was people not the guns. Skynyrd is and always will be the boys that taught me to be a Simple Man! If Charlie Daniels is best friends with them what more can you say?
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Posts: 114 Considering the time that the song was wrote, I hold no ill feelings toward the Skynyrd band. Now if a new band comes out with a song dealing with gun control as a main theme, you can bet the farm I'll avoid it like the plague.
Quote:
"So why don’t we dump ’em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me"
I feel the same way, when wrote if you carried a gun when you went out drinking, it only had one use!! In fact, the shorter barrel was to make it easier to put in a pocket and conceal. Now it is considered an ideal CCW. Times change and if you understand this, you'll have a better understanding of the past. And just for the record, I'm not saying all changes are for the good, but they will happen. It's up to us all as a whole to control the changes.
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Magnuumpwr
Join Date: 02-28-05
Location: Southeast Texas
Posts: 114 Considering the time that the song was wrote, I hold no ill feelings toward the Skynyrd band. Now if a new band comes out with a song dealing with gun control as a main theme, you can bet the farm I'll avoid it like the plague.
Quote:
"So why don’t we dump ’em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me"
I feel the same way, when wrote if you carried a gun when you went out drinking, it only had one use!! In fact, the shorter barrel was to make it easier to put in a pocket and conceal. Now it is considered an ideal CCW. Times change and if you understand this, you'll have a better understanding of the past. And just for the record, I'm not saying all changes are for the good, but they will happen. It's up to us all as a whole to control the changes.
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Magnuumpwr
Fortunately for me, the vast majority of musicians I enjoy listening to are long dead, so their politics are of no concern to me.
For those who are still kicking around, their sentiment has to reach an appalling point of abrasiveness before it influences my opinion of their music.
That being said, this thread has reminded me that it's friday night for Mr Third Shift, so a few beers and some Tom Waits are in order.
For those who are still kicking around, their sentiment has to reach an appalling point of abrasiveness before it influences my opinion of their music.
That being said, this thread has reminded me that it's friday night for Mr Third Shift, so a few beers and some Tom Waits are in order.
Stauble
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yes but most of them came from somewhere else..like my favorite state New York
that song is called Same ol me and it oe of my personal favorites
TEDDY
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it sure was a diferent time.I lived in a city in Mass that had a rifle range in the high school.club sponsered by the school.a shooting in the city would have been a BIG suprize.it was the 70s that brought the most violence.why??
was it the start of the pc crowd and the break down of families??.
it sure was a diferent time.I lived in a city in Mass that had a rifle range in the high school.club sponsered by the school.a shooting in the city would have been a BIG suprize.it was the 70s that brought the most violence.why??
was it the start of the pc crowd and the break down of families??.
ArfinGreebly
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Sarah Brady's Hatred
Remember, she has her own guns. Whoever manages her security has guns.
It's not the guns.
It's YOU she hates. You refuse to do as you're told. You don't know your place. You're all uppity. You are a danger to the legitimate masters. You must be stopped, so your betters can have the control they need.
The campaign isn't against guns.
It's against freedom and liberty among the Proletariat, you scum. We know what's best for you. Now just shut up and get back to work.
Man. The NERVE of these commoners!
Whatever next?!
It's not the guns she hates.
Remember, she has her own guns. Whoever manages her security has guns.
It's not the guns.
It's YOU she hates. You refuse to do as you're told. You don't know your place. You're all uppity. You are a danger to the legitimate masters. You must be stopped, so your betters can have the control they need.
The campaign isn't against guns.
It's against freedom and liberty among the Proletariat, you scum. We know what's best for you. Now just shut up and get back to work.
Man. The NERVE of these commoners!
Whatever next?!
I wish people would look at ART as ART. What it means is in the eye of the person who sees or hears it. I get tired of all the over the top analysis of ART and people telling me what it means. This is done way too much with everthing from literature to music. I personally think "Gimme back my bullets" is a song about sex. I do not see the other songs as anti-gun as much as anti-criminal acivity with a gun. It is nothing but readneck music. Sure they wish the other bad guys did not have the guns to use on them but is that a new idea? Not. I have heard lefties even say the Wizard of Oz is a story supporting socialism or at least anti-capitalist. Please some people need to take off their blinders and let ART be what YOU see it meaning. I do not like "Group think on ART" or Shakespeare for that matter. Sometimes a blue dot is just a blue dot and sometimes it can be indicitive of the plant called earth. Just depends folks.
MinnMooney
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Lyrics and sheep
I'm usually not a listener to lyrics. One reason is that I have a hard time deciphering the words and another reason is.... I really couldn't care less what some singer/lyricist is trying to persude my mind to think. I just like the music.
What gets me, though, is that many people really do listen and sing along - even if they're singing about killin' cops, banning guns, banning war or whatever.
Case in point - I was at "Taste of Minnesota" last month with my son and his fiance listening to some semi-famous local band on the main stage. They started into a song about how bad our country is for getting into and staying in the Iraq/taliban/BinLaden war. They wanted everyone to do the all-too-often-done sing/chant along with the band routine. The chant had to do with stopping the war and getting out of Iraq. The entire audience started chanting along with the band and I asked my son & his fiance (rather loudly, I might add) if all of the sheep in the audience knew what they were chanting and what exactly was the band's plan on how to help the abandoned Iraqi people after we pull out. Funny thing.... several strangers around me (instead of kicking my a__) looked at me and said, "I never thought about it before. I was just singing along." Sheep.
I'm usually not a listener to lyrics. One reason is that I have a hard time deciphering the words and another reason is.... I really couldn't care less what some singer/lyricist is trying to persude my mind to think. I just like the music.
What gets me, though, is that many people really do listen and sing along - even if they're singing about killin' cops, banning guns, banning war or whatever.
Case in point - I was at "Taste of Minnesota" last month with my son and his fiance listening to some semi-famous local band on the main stage. They started into a song about how bad our country is for getting into and staying in the Iraq/taliban/BinLaden war. They wanted everyone to do the all-too-often-done sing/chant along with the band routine. The chant had to do with stopping the war and getting out of Iraq. The entire audience started chanting along with the band and I asked my son & his fiance (rather loudly, I might add) if all of the sheep in the audience knew what they were chanting and what exactly was the band's plan on how to help the abandoned Iraqi people after we pull out. Funny thing.... several strangers around me (instead of kicking my a__) looked at me and said, "I never thought about it before. I was just singing along." Sheep.
Carl N. Brown
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Sarah Brady's hatred of guns also comes from personal experience.
I have tried to talk racial tolerance to a white kid who was
terrorised by black drug dealer gangsters in high school.
Hatred for all from personal bad experiences with some is
just wrong and irrational.
I have tried to talk racial tolerance to a white kid who was
terrorised by black drug dealer gangsters in high school.
Hatred for all from personal bad experiences with some is
just wrong and irrational.
Dravur
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I hope Mr Van Zandt will remember, Gun owning man don't need him 'round anyhow.
Merc41
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If you listen to most of their songs, they didn't like drinkin, guns, or drugs. However, I am sure they did partake in them all. I have 3 of their cd's, and when "Saturday Night Special" comes up, I skip it.
rocinante
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Didn't read the whole thread but 'gimme back my bullets' is not about gun bullets. It is about the position on the weekly hits chart. He wants to have hit songs.
Personally I think saturday night special is an anti song for sure but a damn good one. I wouldn't call give me 3 steps an anti song because the reference to the gun is humorous and entirely believable. Funny song one of my all time favorites.
Lynnrd Skynnrd had some great intelligent and cool songs some of them did have social messages. can't you smell that smell is one of the best anti drug songs ever.
Personally I think saturday night special is an anti song for sure but a damn good one. I wouldn't call give me 3 steps an anti song because the reference to the gun is humorous and entirely believable. Funny song one of my all time favorites.
Lynnrd Skynnrd had some great intelligent and cool songs some of them did have social messages. can't you smell that smell is one of the best anti drug songs ever.
Gunnerpalace
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I remember reading somewhere that the song actually was to make fun of the anti's but I guess the message never got clearly across, as ronnie did actually own firearms and was a hunter. Free Bird rocks too.
Guns were invented to kill. If you can find an arguement in that than your probably the guy that ate glue in the 1st grade.
Who cares if Lynyrd Skynyrd liked guns or not!!? They are known for making great southern rock not for their stance on gun politics! I love all their songs and can play most of them on guitar. Freebird still kicks my ass.
Who cares if Lynyrd Skynyrd liked guns or not!!? They are known for making great southern rock not for their stance on gun politics! I love all their songs and can play most of them on guitar. Freebird still kicks my ass.
ArfinGreebly
Moderator Emeritus
Brady & Guns
Carl, Sarah Brady doesn't have a phobia.
She's not afraid of guns.
She carries a gun.
The whole "poor me, I'm a victim, look at my tragic husband" thing is an ACT.
People who have met her have marveled at the incongruity of her supposed fear of guns, her gracious and cool demeanor, and the fact that she will actually show people her gun, while saying that she doesn't mean to disarm everybody, just the "wrong people."
We are the "wrong people."
She's a fake.
Don't buy her act.
Carl, Sarah Brady doesn't have a phobia.
She's not afraid of guns.
She carries a gun.
The whole "poor me, I'm a victim, look at my tragic husband" thing is an ACT.
People who have met her have marveled at the incongruity of her supposed fear of guns, her gracious and cool demeanor, and the fact that she will actually show people her gun, while saying that she doesn't mean to disarm everybody, just the "wrong people."
We are the "wrong people."
She's a fake.
Don't buy her act.
Nameless_Hobo
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Yep, as a dude on another website said, they're just "good old boy gun grabbers."
You can state that it was a different time all you want, the point stands clear; This song is anti-gun.
It's also what turned me off of Skynyrd, either way the Allman brothers and Marshal Tucker band are better, by far.
You can state that it was a different time all you want, the point stands clear; This song is anti-gun.
It's also what turned me off of Skynyrd, either way the Allman brothers and Marshal Tucker band are better, by far.
CSA 357
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hey i love ls, that was what i grew up on, i didnt think any thing about it back then, but now i do wonder just what it is realy saying, but it was writen back then so i guess times have changed! i dont think they where anti gun, my favorite is curtis lowe! i had the 8 track of street survivors! my grand mother gave it to me after the crash in south ms, that was a big deal back then, *csa*The Deer Hunter
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But they have a song called "give me back my bullets"....
Hunter0924
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I believe yall are reading way too much into this.
When it boils down to it the main purpose for handguns is for defending yourself.
You need to context the whole song to derive a meaning not just 1 or 2 lines. It is the sum of the parts that make the whole.
I am a big Skynard fan myself.
When it boils down to it the main purpose for handguns is for defending yourself.
You need to context the whole song to derive a meaning not just 1 or 2 lines. It is the sum of the parts that make the whole.
I am a big Skynard fan myself.
Smokewagon45
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Dig the music and dig Lynerd Skynerd, but yeah it is anti gun.
Blackbeard
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Just tune in your local hip-hop/rap station. Every song is pro-gun. Of course, not all are encouraging responsible ownership
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