Cell phone may cost your life on a traffic stop

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At first sight it looks like a regular cell phone — same size, same shape, same overall appearance.

But beneath the digital face lies a .22-caliber pistol, a phone gun capable of firing four rounds in quick succession with a touch of the otherwise standard keypad.

The US Department of Homeland Security and the FBI are aware of the device and have instructed baggage screeners to be on the lookout for suspicious mobile phones. This is especially after 9/11.

European law enforcement officials — stunned by the discovery of these deadly decoys — say phone guns are changing the rules of engagement in Europe.

Airport authorities across Europe are implementing systems to X-ray all cell phones


“We find it very, very alarming,” says Wolfgang Dicke of the German Police union. “It means police will have to draw their weapons whenever a person being checked reaches for their mobile phone.”

The FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and the U.S. Customs Service say they’ve been briefed on the new weapons.

“This criminal invention represents a potentially serious threat to law enforcement and the public,” said U.S. Customs Service Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly.
“We received word about these guns last month. We have since alerted our field personnel to be on the lookout for ‘cell phone guns’ at U.S. ports of entry.”

Guns on the Move
These new covert guns were first discovered in October when Dutch police stumbled on a cache during a drug raid in Amsterdam.

In another recent incident a Croatian gun dealer was caught attempting to smuggle a shipment through Slovenia into Western Europe.

Police say both shipments are believed to have originated in Yugoslavia.
Interpol sent out a warning to law enforcement agencies around the world.
European border police and customs officers are at a heightened state of alert at all ports, airports and border crossings.Realistic Appearance

‘If you didn’t know they were guns, you wouldn’t suspect anything,” said Ari Zandbergen, spokesman for the Amsterdam police.

“Only when you have one in your hand do you realize that they are heavier,” says Birgit Heib of the German Federal Criminal Investigation Agency.

The guns are loaded by twisting the phone in half. The .22-caliber rounds fit into the top of the phone under the screen. The lower half, under the keyboard, holds the firing pins. The bullets fire through the antenna by pressing the keypad from numbers five to eight.

Amsterdam police says they are very sophisticated machines constructed inside gutted cell phones which do not light up or operate as real phones.
“These are very difficult to make. We believe experts are involved,” says Zandbergen.


U.S. authorities, including the FBI, ATF, Federal Aviation Administration and the U.S. Customs Service Authority have been supplied detailed information and pictures of these new weapons.

“They’ve been given a heads up,” said Jim Crandall, ATF spokesman.
To date no phone guns have been discovered either in the United States or in the process of being smuggled in, authorities say. But they know it’s only a matter of time.

FAA spokeswoman Rebecca Trexler said airport security officers had been trained to deal with this new threat.

“We don’t want to tell the bad guys exactly what we’re looking for,” she says, “We are trying to stay one step ahead.”Will Affect Travelers

Airport authorities across Europe are implementing systems to X-ray all cell phones, those procedures will likely be followed by airports around the world.
“This is just one more item that we need to pay special attention to because nowadays, of course just about every passenger carries a mobile phone,” says the spokesman for Frankfurt airport security.

Customs officials in the U.S. say their safety procedure has normally been to require travelers to turn their phones on, however that may no longer be enough. Cell phone users will have to be made aware that reaching for their phones in some circumstances could be misinterpreted as a threat by authorities.
 
There is also a Maglight that holds and fires a single 410 ga. shell.


This type of threat is not just one towards LEO’s, imagine if you encountered a questionable subject one night messing around your car in a parking garage, you approach him and he turns real fast and points a cellphone at you, what would you do?
 
They need to PROFILE terrorists and criminals, not wait to find a weapon to tip them off.
 
Does anyone have a picture of these "cell phones"?

I recall hearing years ago about bikers rigging their handlebars with a shotgun shell and a trigger system for when they got pulled over. Simply wait until the cop is even with your handlebar and pull the trigger. I never heard of one actually being used, so was this an urban legend? :confused:
 
I have also seen warnings that showed car doors that might be modified to have a shotgun in them. As the LEO approaches the car the BG opens the door exposing the barrels and *bang*. Nasty, scary stuff. I did not see any photos of the setup just a diagram so I cannot say if anyone was ambushed this way. Ditto with the cell phone gun.
 
This isn't exactly a new thing. This trick is probably 300 years old. Honestly, I'm a little surprised that we aren't seeing more firing mechanisms in staplers, PDAs, Walkmans... heck, I've got a tape measure sitting right here that's larger and heavier than a Kel-Tec P32. It wouldn't be hard to conceal a multiple-round .32 mechanism in it.

These are very difficult to make. We believe experts are involved
Oh really? Let's see, people who are skilled at machining small metal parts... $5 says there will be a registry of watchmakers within 5 years. P95Carry has clearly demonstrated his ability to machine metal. Better cut his hands of, just to be safe. :rolleyes:
 
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These hidden weapons have been around for quite a while. We used to get a teletype warning about one once a week or so.

Only ones I ever saw were the belt buckle knives, and one of the North American Mini revolver Buckles.

Crooks really aren't that sophisticated, usually. However, when the media makes a fuss about something like this, the chances of crooks turning up with one go up about 1000%. They do watch TV.....
 
These hidden weapons have been around for quite a while. We used to get a teletype warning about one once a week or so.

Only ones I ever saw were the belt buckle knives, and one of the North American Mini revolver Buckles.
For the life of me I do not understand how anyone in law enforcement ever thought up the idea that the Freedom Arms Mini Revolvers were "hidden" weapons when they were placed into the belt buckle. They were there for show plain and simple. That belt buckle was pretty darned shiny, pretty easy to see, pretty big and, when it held that Mini Revolver it looked even bigger. Now placing the revolver into your crotch or, into a pocket, or in a boot would make it "hidden" as would maybe pulling a shirt over that belt buckle but the same could be said for pulling a shirt over a strong side hip holster holding a medium frame semi auto. Yet the mini revolver in that belt buckle became an illegal (or at least dreaded) weapon/method of concealment. Hidden indeed, that was taking it way overboard.

As for other hidden weapons, there are alerts out about them all of the time. Guns in cell pones is not all that new. Guns in flashlights have been around a while. Beepers turned into gun have been around likewise as have pens and canes. Knives in lipstick cases, pens and belt buckles, razors attached to credit cards, all plastic (or something like plastic) knives and so on are all out there.

Someone else said it, watch the hands. Then again if that car door opens when you do not want it to, be careful - because the gun in the door panel is or was no joke.
 
The threat isn't some James Bond cell phone/pen/beltbuckle/toothbrush gun, but that the police will mistake a cell phone in your hand (or anything that vaguely triggers the impression of a gun) for a gun. Keep your hands in plain sight. Don't make any sudden moves. Don't behave in any way but "straight" and cooperative. This is what can get you shot by accident. Belay any fears the officer might have and don't do anything to ratchet up the tension.
 
For the life of me I do not understand how anyone in law enforcement ever thought up the idea that the Freedom Arms Mini Revolvers were "hidden" weapons when they were placed into the belt buckle. They were there for show plain and simple. That belt buckle was pretty darned shiny, pretty easy to see, pretty big and, when it held that Mini Revolver it looked even bigger

It obviously wasn't out of sight Glenn, but the way the gun was set into it, it gave the appearance of a one dimensional, kind of "hidden" in plain sight. Once you saw one, and saw how it worked, they became easy to spot.
 
whatcha want then? - pair of converted 22 caliber metal chopsticks?
Yeah, that's a good start. You remember the movie OSS? Y'know, the one with Sophia Loren (*drool*)? There was a revolver concealed in a pipe. Since I smoke a pipe already, nobody would notice it. I'll take one in .32, please.
 
They are real, they are not an urban legend, and we have pulled them (or similar items) off of some pretty bad dudes in my jurisdiction. They are, however, rare.

That said, target identification in a split second shoot-don't shoot scenario was bad enough when it was "cell phone or gun". Now it is "cell phone, gun, or cell-phone gun" ... things start to get dicier and dicier that way.

Bottom line, don't point things at police officers. They just might shoot you, and be justified in doing so. We want to have the right to keep and bear arms (as well we should), we also want the right to have odd little concealed weapons like this (much more debatable, but let's assume for a moment that we all agree) which make weapons look like mundane items, but with that comes the very real possibility that your mundane item might be mistaken as a weapon. You can't have one without the other.

Mike
 
When I'm stopped by an officer I remove my license and insurance card from my wallet while pulling over to stop. If it's not raining then I roll my window down and place my wrists on the window sill. When raining I keep them on the top of the steering wheel. I endeavor not to reach for concealed items of any nature during a traffic stop.

I have no desire to be the object of someone's nervous mistake.
 
This type of threat is not just one towards LEO’s, imagine if you encountered a questionable subject one night messing around your car in a parking garage, you approach him and he turns real fast and points a cellphone at you, what would you do?

really! first yer thinking "a phone? what?" then you get shot. not good.

it really complicates things if someone holds you up with one of those.

even better, now we all got to be extra careful pulling out our phones?
ARGH!!!!!
 
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