This illegal infestation is out of control

Status
Not open for further replies.
When an immigrant crosses the border, we get stronger.

Jammer,

Ok, so I guess no immigrants are criminals?

I guess no immigrants are loafers on the dole?
 
Situational Ethics

People who knowingly hire illegals are nothing more than opportunists, and I'll bet they rely on their keen use of situational ethics, to get them through any guilt. Should the politics of immigration turn conservative and nationalistic, and laws regarding illegal border crossing be enforced, certain businesses will not survive, I hope. Rhubarb can then pick his own lettuce while on welfare or in the big house, whichever is fine with me.
 
Government cannot do anything about illegal immigrants because the economy is dependent upon them.

Absolute hogwash - both clauses in that sentence. The businesses that hire illegals, if stopped, will lose their competitive advantage, at which time their competitors who don't will swoop in and scoop up the market share seamlessly - yes, prices for the goods/services will raise - that's how the free market works - a few adjustments, and it's just an infintessimably small bump in the economic road. With respect to El Tejon, who knows quite a lot, that assertion is pure bunk.

Second, the gov't most certainly COULD do something about it, but it would hack off some of Bu$hCo's friends. The gov't *could* spend money, time and effort actually patrolling the borders, roads leading in, and airports if it wanted to.

Knowing this I do not believe that they hate America

If illegal Hispanic immigrants, and Mexican-Americans don't hate America as one of the predominant precepts of their sub-culture, then can you explain why in World Cup Soccer play in Los Angeles, CA, very large groups of illegal Hispanic immigrants and Mexican-Americans threw beer bottles at the heads of Team USA members when they played against Team Mexico?

This class of immigrants is VERY different from EVERY OTHER class of immigrant in the past. Past immigrants embraced support of their new country, the United States of America. Legal and illegal hispanics fly Mexican flags, not American flags, 9 times out of 10. It's not rocket surgery - they hate America, and love their native country, which is odd, considering that they LEFT it because it's a corrupt armpit inside a $hithole.

You people who think open borders are ok are frankly insane, knowing what we know about Al Quaeda. Mexican food rox, but we must secure our borders if we don't want our average standard of living to continue dropping.
 
yeah right.

I am just baffled by the Invader Apologists. They don't take jobs Americans won't, they steal whatever they can get. They don't spend the money they make to insure their cars or improve their neighborhoods, they send it back to Mexico. They do not seek to become part of this nation, or even create their own little communities while their children become part of the country. They want to expand Mexico wherever they go. THOSE are the facts. The rest is Spin from people who have either no clue or an agenda. I don't really care which.

^
|
|
TRUTH, to a large extent - not 100%, but mostly. Cept for the part about crime - I don't think they're too terribly disproportionately involved in crime, at least around here. They're generally hard workers. But the remainder of those assertions are true, in large part. They're a huge drain on gov't human services and other resources, etc.
 
According to the Center for Immigration Studies, 34% of the federal prison population are illegal immigrants. Hispanics make up roughly 14% of our population and while not all of the Fed prisoners are hispanic, it would be safe to guess that most are. That seems to be a bit disproportiante to me.
BTW, in border states, I'll bet that state convicts comprise an even higher number of illegals.
Biker
 
how about this? or a modification of this idea?

Maybe we should put those on welfare to work on the border... if they are getting a gov't check anyhow, why don't we put them to some sorta work... now I know ALL arent capable and I'm not saying give them a gun but maybe they can assist and help cover ground...or spot... just a thought...
 
GGB, I accept the second half of your criticism that the government "cannot" do anything. However, as I posted earlier that if it does then they are many negative consequences.

I do admit that the first half is coloured by my gig. I don't exactly hang out with the go getters! :D :evil:
 
Wow. So there are those on the high road who think leveling the harshest penalties on illegal immigrants will achieve something. If that were true, it would be very difficult to find marijuana and impossible to find LSD.

I am also amazed that we have people yelling "But it is illegal!!!1!!1OMG!!!", yet we believe that it is sometimes OK to commit gun crimes (when the gov't makes us turn em in, I will bury them).

It now seems like we are not concerned about our borders because of terrorism or jobs, but because they consume services that we "the voters" have guaranteed them.

Some people are saying that we shouldn't school them. Do we really want a whole grip of adults running around our neighborhood with no education? Wouldn't they be dangerous.

Some people are complaining that they fill our jails, and others complain that we drop them off across the border so they come back. PICK ONE.

Wouldn't it be easier to let them come legally, then make them pay taxes for the services they consume? Or maybe vote to remove protections of broke people.
Wouldn't militarizing our borders make them more dangerous? Illegal runs the border and kills anyone he sees?
 
This country has a long history of illegal immigration from the Declaration of Independence to the settlement of KY and TN (and King Georgie's "shoot them all" policy) to the Independence of Texas to Oklahoma to the paper sons, on and on. Throughout the history of immigration there are numerous examples of whatever it is complained about happening before, and yet we somehow have survived.

We decry the militarization of the police, yet we cry to kill all those without zee proper papers?

Take comfort in knowing that all these concerns have been raised before; the concerns have all proven hyperinflated. :)
 
This country has a long history of illegal immigration

Strawman. The level of illegal immigration of the past was not comparable to current events. The illegal immigrants assimilated as quickly as possible in the past. They never sought to alter the nation, nor could they if they tried nor would it have been tolerated.

I am also amazed that we have people yelling "But it is illegal!!!1!!1OMG!!!", yet we believe that it is sometimes OK to commit gun crimes (when the gov't makes us turn em in, I will bury them).

Strawman. The fact that some laws are wrong/moraly unsupportable does not mean ALL laws are such, thus decrying the illegitimate laws does not discredit supporting reasonable laws.

Seems the Apologists are all dressing in the Ghillie Suit of debate. Straw prices must be climbing fast.
 
2nd, the illegal immigration rate was quite high in KY, TH, Oklahoma, San Fransico's paper sons, almost 100% :D

Illegal immigrants assimilate? Some did, some did not. There's no way to know percentages of those who stayed in Chinatown or out in the boondocks of TN or KY.

How are you comparing rates? :confused:

Plenty of illegal immigrants sought to alter the course of politics. For example, Texicanos got their own nation. Irish, Italians, Chinese illegal immigrants all have a history of successful political involvment.
 
The fact that some laws are wrong/moraly unsupportable does not mean ALL laws are such, thus decrying the illegitimate laws does not discredit supporting reasonable laws.
I believe that current immigration laws are illegitimate and unenforcable. As such, I agree with your statement 100%.
 
15 dollars an hour

Is the prevailing wage paid to illegals in NAPA CALIFORNIA.
if you're not an illegal alien from Mexico you can't get the job.
Plenty of legal citizens will work hard for that wage.
15 tax free bucks an hour.
Irish illegals control the building and paiting trade in San Francisco but the Mexicans are catching up.
:banghead: :cuss:
When I lived in Ireland I couldn't find decent work I bet Mexico would treat me the same.
I heard that Mexico jails central american illegals coming from the south...I wonder how the Mexican Gov't would treat Americans sneaking into their Country??
We should flood countries that violate our borders with our prison population like Castro did,give em a taste of their own medicine.

PS that whole CAFTA thing stinks
 
Get used to it! ....when Texas, New Mexico and Arizona eventually turn Democrat, kiss your guns goodbye. A Republican president will never be elected again. TOO LATE NOW !!!!!
 
gunsmith:
QUOTE " Is the prevailing wage paid to illegals in NAPA CALIFORNIA.
if you're not an illegal alien from Mexico you can't get the job.
Plenty of legal citizens will work hard for that wage.
15 tax free bucks an hour "...........

If that is true then the Governator should terminate it. :banghead:

Even a good city, county, or state job here in New Mexico doesn't pay $10 per hour, with limited benefits , and is taxed.
 
I have to admitt that I only made it through the first couple pages before just jumping to the end of the line here.

Between DidgalWarrior & El Tejon's posts I couldn't make it any longer than that without indangering my ability to take the high road. I seriously think you two belong in Mexico , as that is where your loyalty seems to be.

Your apparently more concerned about illegals from that county, than you are american citizens. Our country seems to be for sale at so many levels , and you two seem to think that is just fine.

Government cannot do anything about illegal immigrants because the economy is dependent upon them. They are the ones doing the work while the native-born sit around and complain about their benefits or having to work Saturday or whatever excuse they have not to work.

An amazingly ignorant statement ! It also shows just how much you care about your neighbors, who you apparently would like to replace with illegals from Mexico. I can't begin to tell you how much that makes me disrespect you and anything else that comes out of your mouth.

I'm going to let you and your partner DW spew your garbage without further comment from me and I'm going to un subscribe to this thread so that you babble at my backside as I leave the room ! :barf:
 
You know, paragraphs are my friend! Look gentlemen, you want to accuse me of dropping out "illegal" from my complaints that your being, if not racist, then insulting towards illegal immigrants thats fine. I feel the same way if you say illegal, because I do not believe stereotyping an entire group is right or just whether they are here legally or not. Secondly, you go ahead and show me the credible facts that ALL illegals are criminals and theives. 2nd Amendment didn't say "some" or "a disproportionate number" of illegals are like that, he implied that all of them were, and thats pure BS. Further, I notice that in responding to my argument, not a single one of my critics said anything whatsoever about my desire to have what I called a "Reasonable, sensible and most importantly, enforceable" immigration policy. Further, the implication that I am from the 'left" is just plain laughable. Maybe I am not Rush Limbaugh, but I am a registered Republican with conservative leanings, for gods sake.
Hey, a paragraph! Look fellows, my only point that I am trying to make is that it is ridiculous to say that all prisons are full of illegals, that they all are uninsured thieves, and that it is, in fact, insulting, if not overtly rascist, to refer to these people as cockroaches and to say that we should kill them in a variety of ways. Whatever happened to compassion in this country? Whatever happened to this being a melting pot? Sure, these people are here illegally, and yes, that is a real problem. But extremism in action and/or opinion never solved a thing, and, might I add, none of you, including me, could tell the difference between an illegal immigrant and a legal immigrant by looking at them anyway. You wanna go be a Minuteman on the border? Great! From what I have seen, those folks have done nothing but be polite and gracious to the illegals. They are turning them away at the border, but with a smile and some water to drink and food to eat, not a swift kick to the ass. Here is a good example of the consequences that might result from an extreme viewpoint. Here in Colorado, not 15 miles from my house is a little town named Ault. I have seen pictures in the Weld County Historical archives of signs hanging in Ault that say "No Mexicans or Dogs". Ault now has a sizable Mexican population, and in fact, the first Mexican-American winner of the Medal of Honor (Joe P. Martinez) is from there. He was not allowed to be buried at the town church cemetary by the largely German population of the town, entirely because he was Mexican. Instead, his family was forced to bury him in a craptacular little potters field type cemetary, and it is there that he rests to this day. Mr. Martinez's parents were here illegally. Now, in 19-whatever when they came here, the laws were vastly different than what they are now, and this is just one particular guy out of however many million (billion) mexicans that have come here. The point that I am trying to illustrate is that by the time Mr. Martinez was awarded this honor, the "No Mexicans or Dogs" sign was long gone, but the residual distrust and dislike of Mexicans kept this man, an American Hero, from being buried in his hometown cemetary. To carry on with that point, it was only 7 years ago that the town even erected a monument to the man, and he died during World War II!. Look fellows, you wanna dislike/hate/distrust illegals, go ahead, but at what point does it stop? You don't think a legal immigrant, or a immigrant who eventually becomes a citizen is hurt and offended by hearing his or her people or relatives being referred to as cockroaches? anyway....


Timbo...

P. S. i am still laughing that someone implied that I come from the "left"....
 
for the record, I actually did make paragraphs there, and it still mushed everything together... that sucks man...
 
So, Mexicans steal jobs from Americans because they are willing to work for less money, in fact they work for so much less that it compensates for the fact that they dont speak English.

AND

They have enough left over to send big sacks of cash back to mexico.

AND

They live in the same areas with the same expenses as the Americans they replaced.

-

Ok, i am suddenly quite impressed with the Mexican Superman's ability to outperform the American, clearly the inclusion of such effecient people makes our country better. If the posters on this thread are to be believed it would appear that the Mexican is flat-out better than the American simply because they can do a lot more with a lot less.
 
And the 20 million illegals already here aren't enough to pick lettuce? We need more?

Here's the solution to your 'problem'. Round up all the illegals, deport them, secure the borders to keep them out. Require all the able bodied Americans on welfare, food stamps, Section 8 housing, etc., to work in the fields picking the vegetables. This will be required of them as long as they're on welfare.

Problem(s) solved. Have a nice day.

Hey, collectivist farming! I wonder why nobody else has ever thought of that. :rolleyes:
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top