Federal affidavit alleges Wal-Mart execs knew about illegal workers

No way. This totally shocks me. I had no idea illegals were working at Wal-Mart.

What really sickens me is, nothing will really be done about it. Oh some noise will be made prior to the '06 elections, but after that, it will be business as usual. I'll bet my Harley on it.
Biker

No way. This totally shocks me. I had no idea illegals were working at Wal-Mart.

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Yeah, me, too. I figured they were all just really late shoppers.

Biker said:

What really sickens me is, nothing will really be done about it. Oh some noise will be made prior to the '06 elections, but after that, it will be business as usual. I'll bet my Harley on it.
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I think they're going to do something - but you might not like the results. The Bush plan to fix social security is in the crapper so the new push is for immigration reform. That's why he marched Chertoff and that other pinhead out a couple of weeks ago talking about "securing the borders" (this was the bait) and setting the hook with "immigration reform". It's the magic Bush solution - make it all legal and abracadabra - the illegals go away, just like pulling a rabbit out of a hat he's fixed the border problem.

What really sickens me is, nothing will really be done about it. Oh some noise will be made prior to the '06 elections, but after that, it will be business as usual. I'll bet my Harley on it.

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I’ll take that bet, I’ve been wanting a Harley. The fine is the biggest ever levied against an employer for hiring illegal aliens. The Secure Border Initiative (SBI) Chertoff announced is one of the more sweeping efforts ever made to deal with this issue. I have no idea what the details of this specific case are, and I do know that proving knowledge and intent in a case like this is extremely difficult, but there is every indication from the administration on down to suggest that this will be dealt with more harshly than anything in the past (which isn’t saying much).

That's why he marched Chertoff and that other pinhead out a couple of weeks ago talking about "securing the borders" (this was the bait) and setting the hook with "immigration reform".

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The “Immigration Reform” portion of the newly announced “Secure Border Initiative” certainly bears watching, but the other portions of the SBI are (or should be) extremely heartening to anybody that feels illegal immigration is a major issue. It contains all the needed elements; additional agents for all the various immigration enforcement agencies, more detention space (desperately needed), improved technology (also desperately needed), and a total reworked interior enforcement. Obviously there is more to it than that, but those issues alone are enough to show that this new plan is the biggest attempt to deal with illegal immigration that I can think of.

I find it amazing that the same government that refuses to protect our borders and stop them (good, bad and ugly) from coming in, then finds fault with companies that inevitably hire them once they're here for cheap(er) labor.

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What I think is interesting is that the same company that has been aggressively forcing its suppliers to export American jobs (remember their advertising from several years ago that touted how many American jobs were saved with their buying practices?) is further hurting working Americans by using illegal aliens.

FWIW,

emc

WalMart will raise the price of everything a penny or two and the fine will be paid the first week.

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Large corporations care not for this country there goal and sole idea is the
bottom line and this will continue until average Joe hurts so bad he will take
action.

Would you rather have those immigrants living on welfare?

Immigrants are here, like it or not. And until we seal the border they're going to keep coming. Seems to me that we ought to encourage them to find gainful employment. Why make that difficult?

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Would you rather have those immigrants living on welfare?

Immigrants are here, like it or not. And until we seal the border they're going to keep coming. Seems to me that we ought to encourage them to find gainful employment. Why make that difficult?

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they're only coming here for the jobs, they have no intention of being Americans. If you cut off the supply of jobs (by enforcing employment checks) they will stop coming. now this may mean gready employers have to compete more for the workers that are already here but that's the free market.

WalMart sucks!

Immigrants are here, like it or not. And until we seal the border they're going to keep coming. Seems to me that we ought to encourage them to find gainful employment. Why make that difficult?
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We don't make it difficult that is the problem. Illegal workers are a taxpayer
subsidized work force for the rich.

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We don't make it difficult that is the problem. Illegal workers are a taxpayer
subsidized work force for the rich.

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There are plenty of taxpayer subsidized immigrants. But the ones working for Wal Mart (or anywhere else) aren't taxpayer subsidized. They provide their own income. That's the whole point.

I can understand wanting to reduce the number of immigrants in the country. But why crack down on the ones who earn their keep? We should be turning these immigrants into Americans. But we're not. Instead, we seem more interested in punishing them for their hard work.

Let's make life difficult for the immigrants who expect to live off the public dole. Those are the ones who are dragging our country down. They need to be taught that they're not welcome here.


But it's so much easier to blame the rich. And the foreigners (ALL foreigners). Right?

There are plenty of taxpayer subsidized immigrants. But the ones working for Wal Mart (or anywhere else) aren't taxpayer subsidized. They provide their own income. That's the whole point.

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Not true HTG they are not providing all income and or services, companies hire them because they can pay low wages, other service, hospital, schools, etc are paid by you and I, we fund cheap labor for large companies, this is not hard to understand, reports I have seen that Illegals cost the average taxpayer $700-$2400 per year depending on state you live in. On top of this
most dollars earned by the illegal is returned to his/her country. Again we lose.

But it's so much easier to blame the rich. And the foreigners (ALL foreigners). Right?

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Actually while you want to turn this into a race issue it is not, we are speaking of "illegal immigration". But I do blame the rich much more then
the "illegal", the wealthy want slave labor, and yep I'm against it and I have
been witness to much of it over the years due to my location. I would like
to see jail time and fines for any employer that hires an illegal.

I'll agree with you that many, maybe even most, illegal immigrants take advantage of publicly funded services such as welfare, medical care and schooling. But the problem isn't immigration (illegal or otherwise). The problem is that our society thinks it's OK to steal from citizens to provide these services.

There are plenty of lazy Americans who take advantage of the booty stolen from the productive. Is it OK for natives to steal from us, but not for folks born in another country? The solution is to end the theft, not to crack down on the immigrants.

You say that most of the money earned by illegal immigrants is sent back to their home country. Well, so what? They earned that money, not you, and they get to decide what they want to do with it. Mind yer own business.

As for slave labor... Sorry to be blunt, but that's about as stupid a remark as I've heard recently. Illegal immigrants work for those evil capitalists at Wal Mart because they want to, not because someone forced them to. They want to work so badly that they're willing to break the law, risk their safety, and live in a society foreign to them. If anything, people are forcing them NOT to work in the manor they choose (which a sort of slavery in itself).

As for slave labor... Sorry to be blunt, but that's about as stupid a remark as I've heard recently

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I think he's referring to the slave labor in the third world countries that produce the crap WalMart sells.

My mistake. There may well be slavery in those places. I wouldn't know.

If you buy toys from WalMart or Toy R Us and those toys were made in China, odds are even you just purchased products made by literal slave labor. Ugly but true.

wingman said:

Large corporations care not for this country there goal and sole idea is the
bottom line and this will continue until average Joe hurts so bad he will take
action.

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Average Joe will remain Average Joe, until Average Joe becomes Literate Joe. I don't care if Wal-Mart hires illegals, as long as they keep my prices down. Also love items made in China.

Headless Thompson Gunner,

Immigrants are here, like it or not. And until we seal the border they're going to keep coming. Seems to me that we ought to encourage them to find gainful employment. Why make that difficult?

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First of all we are talking about illegal immigrants, this isn’t a semantics thing, there is a very real difference. Secondly, what you say will actually mean something when I stop hearing first hand from legal immigrants that get fired so their employer can hire illegal immigrants (not to mention natural born Americans).

There are plenty of taxpayer subsidized immigrants. But the ones working for Wal Mart (or anywhere else) aren't taxpayer subsidized. They provide their own income. That's the whole point.

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Yes they are tax subsidized, and so are their children. There are more than a few studies showing that even employed illegal aliens take an average of around three thousand more out of the system than they put into it, and that’s just at the federal level. For the southern border states, over 10 billion dollars each year to subsidize illegals for their health care and education alone. That’s not counting the myriad of other ways they drain our tax dollars. I can source these numbers if you think I made them up.

You say that most of the money earned by illegal immigrants is sent back to their home country. Well, so what? They earned that money, not you, and they get to decide what they want to do with it. Mind yer own business.

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So it does not matter to you this money going out when it could have been
spent here helping our country, good your on track with large corporations.
Greed is your leader.

As for slave labor... Sorry to be blunt, but that's about as stupid a remark as I've heard recently. Illegal immigrants work for those evil capitalists at Wal Mart because they want to, not because someone forced them to. They want to work so badly that they're willing to break the law, risk their safety, and live in a society foreign to them. If anything, people are forcing them NOT to work in the manor they choose (which a sort of slavery in itself).
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It's ok be blunt I will do the same I see you arent very informed about illegals
many are abused, not paid and yes in some cases held against there will.
It is plain you do not understand what is taking place in the illegal work
world at the very least post on a subject you understand.

Average Joe will remain Average Joe, until Average Joe becomes Literate Joe. I don't care if Wal-Mart hires illegals, as long as they keep my prices down. Also love items made in China.

Good for you, perhaps in time your job will be outsourced and then you can't
afford fine WalMart products made in China.

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