China to Colonize the US ??????
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The_Antibubba
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The invasion has begun-but it is America that is invading China.
The Chinese will never acknowledge it, but Maoist Communism was a failure. Their new version of totalitarian "capitalism" looks more promising, but there is still a lot of rot festering below the surface. Estimates say that China is going to surpass Russia in industrial and toxic wastes and destroyed ecosystems. Most of the rural folk still live in poverty, although few are actually starving to death.
But it is American ideas and culture that are reaching them. Just having shelter and food is not enough anymore. The middle class is growing, and they want cars, TVs, computers, and bigger houses. They want "the good life". It will continue to spread.
We've infected the Chinese people; more and more of them are coming down with Affluenza.
The invasion has begun-but it is America that is invading China.
The Chinese will never acknowledge it, but Maoist Communism was a failure. Their new version of totalitarian "capitalism" looks more promising, but there is still a lot of rot festering below the surface. Estimates say that China is going to surpass Russia in industrial and toxic wastes and destroyed ecosystems. Most of the rural folk still live in poverty, although few are actually starving to death.
But it is American ideas and culture that are reaching them. Just having shelter and food is not enough anymore. The middle class is growing, and they want cars, TVs, computers, and bigger houses. They want "the good life". It will continue to spread.
We've infected the Chinese people; more and more of them are coming down with Affluenza.
Winners ... What winners ?
Maybe you are serious about this opinion ... China had nuclear weapons in the 50's - 80's. We dustem they dustus ... wedustus ... they dustthem ... the world we know gets dusted with a million years worth of radioactive material ... water ... soil ... air ... hmmmm who wins ? who survives ? who runs the wal mart then, who manufactures the goods to put in wal mart ? It matters not if we push the button, or if they push the button ... with 2,000 + nukems launched I doubt there will be any winners.
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redneck2 said:
Maybe you are serious about this opinion ... China had nuclear weapons in the 50's - 80's. We dustem they dustus ... wedustus ... they dustthem ... the world we know gets dusted with a million years worth of radioactive material ... water ... soil ... air ... hmmmm who wins ? who survives ? who runs the wal mart then, who manufactures the goods to put in wal mart ? It matters not if we push the button, or if they push the button ... with 2,000 + nukems launched I doubt there will be any winners.
Hook686
They said the same stuff about the Japanese. That media hysteria disappeared pretty fast. We don't plan centuries in advance because it is impossible and a waste of time planning for the far future when you can't predict it anyway.
I don't know if this is true of if this guy has any stroke or not. I know I would be concerned if other countries judged us by some of the wacko leftists out there.
In germ warfare, if the germ is so good at depopulating, how would the Chinese prevent it from killing off their own population? Would they have a cure and innoculate all 1 billion or more people in China?
redneck2
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Uh...they'll own the Wal-Mart. So they lose 20% of their population. Leaves how many billion left??
Hence the biological rather than nukes. SARS could be a "test run". How fast does it spread? What percentage does it affect and how badly??
Sound far fetched?? We subjected our own soldiers to nuke blasts in the 50's to determine the effects. And we're supposedly a lot more moral and ethical than the Chinese
Rezin
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Hmmm. sounds like a episode of the X-files.....................
kage genin
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marshall3 said:
A big +1 on this. I've been living and working in Beijing, China for near a year now and have had the opportunity to travel to the Inner Mongolia region a few times (my wife's family) and the difference in standard of living between the two areas is astouding. My wife's family was excited that the nearest town was finally getting a paved highway! Two whole lanes! No more driving over dirt paths (at least not closer to the town, out by the villages it's still dirt and mud). There are at least two Chinas - urban and rural, and they are very very far apart.
The countryside is becoming more and more turbulent with uprisings by farmers who are fed up with the government not giving a pi about them and focusing all resources on modernizing the big cities. Impoverished laborers rising up against the wealthy... hmm, sound familiar?
The majority of China's population is still out in the countryside (ie. in the government-doesn't-care region) and if it wasn't for total media control and government troops using unbridled violence to quell uprisings, another revolution could happen at anytime. Like marshall said, the country could collapse overnight. It's ironic really... the Chinese believe time passes in a circular fashion... but I don't think they intended for history to repeat itself so exactly. I'm in the intensive paperwork process of getting my wife passage out of here so we won't have to be here when the country implodes.The originating site for this article seems to be a Vietnam dissident operation, no doubt hosted and mastered off shore. An intense hatred for the current regime is in evidence.
My initial reaction is skepticism, and I caution y'all to verify anything within independently.
It is a long way from China to the US.
My initial reaction is skepticism, and I caution y'all to verify anything within independently.
It is a long way from China to the US.
State of the Technology update
I've actually used one of those systems, made by The Other 90%, called the MindDrive. Very neat little toy, but that's all it is. I've seen much more advanced systems available on the 'net, though they're still living in the serial port era -- it seems that their venture capital dried up as I'm pretty sure nobody's got a USB or FireWire based system yet. (Heh -- gives a new meaning to the "USB Human Interface Driver" loaded on Windows PCs)
At $2100 for the Cyberlink, this is definitely not mass-market-mature technology, though god knows what the .mil is doing with it now.
redneck2 said:
I've actually used one of those systems, made by The Other 90%, called the MindDrive. Very neat little toy, but that's all it is. I've seen much more advanced systems available on the 'net, though they're still living in the serial port era -- it seems that their venture capital dried up as I'm pretty sure nobody's got a USB or FireWire based system yet. (Heh -- gives a new meaning to the "USB Human Interface Driver" loaded on Windows PCs)
At $2100 for the Cyberlink, this is definitely not mass-market-mature technology, though god knows what the .mil is doing with it now.
Danus ex
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Check out the book World on Fire by Amy Chua. Chinese 'invasions' have historically been capitalist ones: Vietnam, Burma, Phillipines, and probably others currently have market-dominant ethnic Chinese minorities. While we've already got our own market dominators, there's always room for more.
one eyed fatman
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China has no need to invade us. We owe them a lot of money. All they have to do is wait for us to default on the loans then they can repossess us.
Spiggy
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Thread Poster, good choice of source for this news. A vietnamese website... For shame! trying to incite war on two superpowers so they can go ahead and crush eachother. :banghead:
Their slow totalitarian goverment is going to tear itself down eventually though. I wouldnt have to worry about chinese invasions though, I'd be much more interested in mexico oozing over our borders.
The US had worries of China invading during the gold rush, that's why the first laws in San Francisco were to ban ponytails on chinese men.
Did anyone realize in TV Show Firefly, the Alliance flag is a mix of US and Chinese flags? and that every so often a peice of chinese appears out of no where, either verbally or in a written character?
Their slow totalitarian goverment is going to tear itself down eventually though. I wouldnt have to worry about chinese invasions though, I'd be much more interested in mexico oozing over our borders.
The US had worries of China invading during the gold rush, that's why the first laws in San Francisco were to ban ponytails on chinese men.
Did anyone realize in TV Show Firefly, the Alliance flag is a mix of US and Chinese flags? and that every so often a peice of chinese appears out of no where, either verbally or in a written character?
joab
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Actually this is a reposting of an article presented here a few months ago. I believe the source is a white supremeist group
TABING
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I think if China needs more space, Russia would be their first option, after all it's right there and they wouldn't need a thousand of ships to move their population. Siberia is resource rich and population poor. The Russians can't control Chechniya, good luck to them with China.
The following analysis I posted on TFL regarding a similar thread:
I don't think China has ambitions for the US. They keep a big standing army for a few reasons.
#1 is after a couple of centuries of humiliation by western powers, (mostly European, England), and Japan, they're determined not to let this happen again. This is a big part of Chinese psyche.
#2, they are determined to be and stay the big dog in EAst Asia. They are already there.
#3, ten milliion standing army sounds big, but with a population of 1.2 billion to control if the people get restless again for political reform, (remember Tianmen square?), they may need that many.
#4 the Surrounding Islamic republics may pose some danger, but I assure you the Chinese leaders will not "pussyfoot" around this issue, but will go in with massive force to suppress any threat, and CNN and other "touchy feely" news organizations will not be inbedded to witness and report on it.
My take on China is qualified with having a Chinese wife, and having done a lot of study on Chinese history, politics, and culture.
They have worked too hard and suffered too much to blow it all on the gamble of war with the US, that could lead to major destruction of all their gains in the last couple of decades and the promise of a brighter future. The Chinese and their leaders are very conservative people, not prone to fly off the handle. Their experiences during the "The Great Leap Forward" and the cultural revolution taught them that, where they set themselves back a couple of decades.
The following analysis I posted on TFL regarding a similar thread:
I don't think China has ambitions for the US. They keep a big standing army for a few reasons.
#1 is after a couple of centuries of humiliation by western powers, (mostly European, England), and Japan, they're determined not to let this happen again. This is a big part of Chinese psyche.
#2, they are determined to be and stay the big dog in EAst Asia. They are already there.
#3, ten milliion standing army sounds big, but with a population of 1.2 billion to control if the people get restless again for political reform, (remember Tianmen square?), they may need that many.
#4 the Surrounding Islamic republics may pose some danger, but I assure you the Chinese leaders will not "pussyfoot" around this issue, but will go in with massive force to suppress any threat, and CNN and other "touchy feely" news organizations will not be inbedded to witness and report on it.
My take on China is qualified with having a Chinese wife, and having done a lot of study on Chinese history, politics, and culture.
They have worked too hard and suffered too much to blow it all on the gamble of war with the US, that could lead to major destruction of all their gains in the last couple of decades and the promise of a brighter future. The Chinese and their leaders are very conservative people, not prone to fly off the handle. Their experiences during the "The Great Leap Forward" and the cultural revolution taught them that, where they set themselves back a couple of decades.
bigun15
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What's even worse is that if China did invade U.S. land, they'd be able to get a foothold in California since the civilians wouldn't be able to fight them off as well as anywhere else. That's assuming they punch through the military.
redneck2 said:
Talk about strange coincidences, my dad used to know a guy who worked on that project, later on he ended up working on a project to invent the early variant of LazerDiscs (which my dad admitted was extremly hard to fathom at the time).
Back on topic, China is neither something to put at the top of the list yet and defiantly not something to dismiss as harmless.
Fletchette
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I am skeptical of this speech as well. I read it several months ago but could find no corroborating sources. Also, I understand the translation errs a bit in the connotation. There does appear to have been a speech like this made of some sort, but the accuracy is questionable.
In any case, I think many in the U.S. underestimate both the Chinese and history.
The Chinese, as a culture, have demonstrated a racial superiority complex, but so has just about every other culture on the planet. What seperates the Chinese from the other cultures on the planet is their numbers; there are over one billion Chinese nationals, and a lot more in the "old Chinese territories". These people are growing in numbers and wish to have a higher standard of living. How will they attain this? The same way every previous culture has expanded in number and increased it's standard of living - by conquest.
I think it is naive of us to say, "This is 2005, people have evolved beyond that", because there is no evidence for such a statement. It is very plausible that China's leaders have decided that they need to expand into North America just as the Puritans decided they had a Manifest Destiny to expand from 'sea to shining sea'. North America appeared relatively unpopulated to the Colonists, and it still looks relatively unpopulated to the Chinese.
The advent of nuclear weapons does not change the desires of people, only the tactics.
In any case, I think many in the U.S. underestimate both the Chinese and history.
The Chinese, as a culture, have demonstrated a racial superiority complex, but so has just about every other culture on the planet. What seperates the Chinese from the other cultures on the planet is their numbers; there are over one billion Chinese nationals, and a lot more in the "old Chinese territories". These people are growing in numbers and wish to have a higher standard of living. How will they attain this? The same way every previous culture has expanded in number and increased it's standard of living - by conquest.
I think it is naive of us to say, "This is 2005, people have evolved beyond that", because there is no evidence for such a statement. It is very plausible that China's leaders have decided that they need to expand into North America just as the Puritans decided they had a Manifest Destiny to expand from 'sea to shining sea'. North America appeared relatively unpopulated to the Colonists, and it still looks relatively unpopulated to the Chinese.
The advent of nuclear weapons does not change the desires of people, only the tactics.
Headless Thompson Gunner
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Umm, wouldn't it be easier for the Chinese to move into Russia? If all they want is land, there's land aplenty up north of them. And they wouldn't need any boats to get there. Even Africa would be a better coice than the U.S. - much closer and much less military to fight back.
This sounds more like totalitarian chest-thumping than any sort of real plan.
This sounds more like totalitarian chest-thumping than any sort of real plan.
hub
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if the chinese invaded the u.s. who would buy all there crap made at 20. cents per hour. i think they would start with somewhere in asia. it dosent really matter though if they did try to take someone who could'nt defend thierselves we would be there anyway and everyone(the rest of the world) would claim that the u.s. is the bad guy for doing so.
redneck2 said:
Indeed, Chinese government is still totalitarian, and their country is still overpopulated. Remember their laws in the past that families could only have one female baby? Using their own people to test the virulence of a biobug is not beneath them. While there is a small rising middle class, there is also a much larger poor uneducated population, that is barely living hand to mouth. Russia might be tempting to the Chinese, but the US has a much better infrastructure.
There were some interesting possible scenarios in the book "Warday" by Whitney Streiber, about how the US would survive post Nuclear war. Its main supporters for a Nation was Canada and England. But because of the strategic locations of the Nuclear bomb sites, it was broken off into smaller pseudo countries for survival purposes, as well as colonized by the Japanese.
The source of the speeches may very well be bogus, but it poses some possible "foreign strategies", that we should consider.
Borachon
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You are correct. They are smaller. You are also incorrect. Because of our treaty with the Soviet Union....I'm sorry, I meant "Russia"....we aren't deploying as many weapons as we use to. In fact, most of our nukes are held at 14 storage sites around the US. 14 sites that are easy to find on the Internet. Were I a country bent on destroying the US, I'd destroy those sites first.
Luckily, I'm not a country.
Eh...15 MEGATONS is acutally considered to be a huge bomb. Most of the bombs in our arsenal now are 200-300 KILOtons in yield. 15 million tons of TNT versus 300,000 tons of TNT. The one that destroyed Hiroshima was 15-20 Kilotons.
I believe China will try to increase the number of nukes they possess in the next few years, and will then use these to keep us at bay while she does whatever she wants in SE Asia. MAD works both ways.
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