cowboybobb693
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ka50 said:
Have you ever served???? Or do you just put down those that do??
thoughts on joining the ARMY
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Have you ever served???? Or do you just put down those that do??
Always amazed
at how the never-served types view military service as servitude and total loss of freedom.
As my dad said when I joined the NAVY, you must remember that there a few very basic things the service wants to see from you: look sharp, follow the rules, know the etiquette. If you do, you'll have remarkable freedom of movement. He was damn right. Be a head-butter, and you'll be miserable. Swallow your ego, and a whole world will open up for you.
And THAT, my friends, is the lesson of military service. You learn that you are not the center of the universe, and as soon as you get over that you find that you can be an essential part of somethibg very important.
KA50 and neoncowboy, I wonder whether you have ever learned that essential lesson. Somehow I doubt it. But you could learn it in the SERVICE-- which is what most of those who have served seem to call it, instead of 'the military', which is what the never-served call it.
Of course, there's no better place to learn it than the United States Navy.
at how the never-served types view military service as servitude and total loss of freedom.
As my dad said when I joined the NAVY, you must remember that there a few very basic things the service wants to see from you: look sharp, follow the rules, know the etiquette. If you do, you'll have remarkable freedom of movement. He was damn right. Be a head-butter, and you'll be miserable. Swallow your ego, and a whole world will open up for you.
And THAT, my friends, is the lesson of military service. You learn that you are not the center of the universe, and as soon as you get over that you find that you can be an essential part of somethibg very important.
KA50 and neoncowboy, I wonder whether you have ever learned that essential lesson. Somehow I doubt it. But you could learn it in the SERVICE-- which is what most of those who have served seem to call it, instead of 'the military', which is what the never-served call it.
Of course, there's no better place to learn it than the United States Navy.
Old Dog
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Losers. Assuming one survives a term in the military without getting seriously wounded, killed or suffering from the trauma of combat, the only lives that get screwed up are those of the people who don't let themselves learn from their experiences.
Lots of stuff we go through in life is depressing. Sometimes just getting up in the morning in depressing.
Neoncowboy: looks like you're trolling a bit here, trying to get us military folks to feel insulted. Sorry; it's just pretty clear that you have no understanding of that of which you speak.
More trolling, this time from Ka50:
Ka50, how old are you? On what personal experience do you base this ridiculous statement?
You go play your games, little boy, and leave the serious business to the grown-ups ...
ka50 said:
ka50,
You're confused so I'll help you out. Politics and our Military are two different things. If you do not agree with the politicians in Office fight the battle to replace them with someone you're more in agreement with.
The Military is the reason we enjoy the freedoms we do today and the reason we'll enjoy a free world in the future. Recommending someone not join the very Military we owe so much too because you have political concerns is rather simplistic.
I wonder who you would call the next time we need our Military and there are no Soldiers in its ranks because of your ignorant advice?
Guys like you forget the price that has been paid to enjoy what we have today.
Merry Christmas,
LBTRS
Oh this is getting interesting.
cowboybobb693: I don't put down anyone. I just state how it really is. If saying what's true is putting down, then you seriously need to think about it.
Khornet: Exactly. Service to a man who wants to use you for his purposes.
Old Dog: If I disagree with majority opinion, then I'm suddenly trolling? Hmm... you're about as dumb as Dubya himself. "If you don't support me, then you're anti-american!". Shove this you know where.
Your real "business for grownups" cost thousands of lifes. Enlisted and innocent. That's like saying killing people equals being a grown up. Ah yeh we forgot to say it's for some noble cause. I guess if we put 2 and 2 together you think that killing, because you want to play wargames is a noble thing, too, right?
cowboybobb693: I don't put down anyone. I just state how it really is. If saying what's true is putting down, then you seriously need to think about it.
Khornet: Exactly. Service to a man who wants to use you for his purposes.
Old Dog: If I disagree with majority opinion, then I'm suddenly trolling? Hmm... you're about as dumb as Dubya himself. "If you don't support me, then you're anti-american!". Shove this you know where.
Your real "business for grownups" cost thousands of lifes. Enlisted and innocent. That's like saying killing people equals being a grown up. Ah yeh we forgot to say it's for some noble cause. I guess if we put 2 and 2 together you think that killing, because you want to play wargames is a noble thing, too, right?
Remember what the original post was about.
Not foreign policy or personal political views.
As for what Unixguy said about the poor leadership shown by that NCO when he was unloading chairs, there is a lesson in that. #1 don't treat your people like that when you are the NCO #2 that officer who stopped to help is probably a ???? hot leader who cares about his troops and showed a lot more leadership than the NCO did.
When JTWARD01 said to stay in school and go OCS because ???? rolls downhill and the enlisted guys are at the bottom of the hill, that is a very limited view of what goes on in the military. Many officers have no real idea what it is like to be a very junior enlisted man(or woman) and I think most officers would have benefitted from a couple of years service as junior enlisted before they were commissioned. It would give them a different perspective of what is important and what is not. Some of the best officers I have seen were prior enlisted and I think a lot of their enlisted experience shaped them as officers.
From my own experience starting at the bottom was the best way to go. My unit is commanded by a Senior Chief and we don't do a lot of the nitpicky stuff you always here ex-military people joking about. And when it is time for the junior guys to crawl into the bilges and start cleaning they know that everbody from the Senior Chief on down has done that in the past. There is remarkably little grumbling about ???? details.
Not foreign policy or personal political views.
As for what Unixguy said about the poor leadership shown by that NCO when he was unloading chairs, there is a lesson in that. #1 don't treat your people like that when you are the NCO #2 that officer who stopped to help is probably a ???? hot leader who cares about his troops and showed a lot more leadership than the NCO did.
When JTWARD01 said to stay in school and go OCS because ???? rolls downhill and the enlisted guys are at the bottom of the hill, that is a very limited view of what goes on in the military. Many officers have no real idea what it is like to be a very junior enlisted man(or woman) and I think most officers would have benefitted from a couple of years service as junior enlisted before they were commissioned. It would give them a different perspective of what is important and what is not. Some of the best officers I have seen were prior enlisted and I think a lot of their enlisted experience shaped them as officers.
From my own experience starting at the bottom was the best way to go. My unit is commanded by a Senior Chief and we don't do a lot of the nitpicky stuff you always here ex-military people joking about. And when it is time for the junior guys to crawl into the bilges and start cleaning they know that everbody from the Senior Chief on down has done that in the past. There is remarkably little grumbling about ???? details.
cowboybobb693
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ka50 said:
Okay. I'll ask again. HAVE YOU EVER SERVED???? simple question.
I don't need to seriously think about it, your tone and comments about the Services speak volumes.
SamlautRanger
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KA50,
You insult W's IQ. But I ask you, do you have a degree from Yale and a MBA from Harvard?
Other,
Seems many trolling on this post. All who serve in the military have made some form of sacrifice. It is all about patriotism, adventure, and service to the nation.
Not all Marines are warriors, and not all Air Force guys are non-warriors.
I have known may Marines that are as wimpy as can be. E ven though all of the suppport Marines are the first to pipe in that they are "infantrymen first", many Marine Infantry and Recon would disagree. All Marines do have an important job. And without compat support the mission would not get done. I just replying to thread that stated Marines are for warriors and the Army Infantry is only for those who could not do anything else.
There are good and bad marines, there are good and bad soldiers, good and bad sailors, etc... Each has there own groups of true warriors.
When I was in Iraq, I saw many very hard charging conventional Army Infantry and National Guard Infantry that were better trained, better equipped and knew how to fight than most men I have served with.
As for the comments about the Air Force. I know many who are proud they served in the Air Force. I had some TACPs assigned to my team in the sandbox. Hard troops. ALso had several times where a air force pilot behind a A-10 showed our team the righteous path! Air Force PJs and TACPs are some of the best ground pounders you will meet.
All the branches are good and all mesh together.
Read my post on Adivice for a Marine on the other thread about some good advice going in.
If you would like to get some very detailed info about going Army Airborne, Ranger or SF, you are more than welcome to PM me or email me at: [email protected] as I am a SF vet and would be more than happy to give you info. God Bless you for thinking of making the sacrifice to join.
You insult W's IQ. But I ask you, do you have a degree from Yale and a MBA from Harvard?
Other,
Seems many trolling on this post. All who serve in the military have made some form of sacrifice. It is all about patriotism, adventure, and service to the nation.
Not all Marines are warriors, and not all Air Force guys are non-warriors.
I have known may Marines that are as wimpy as can be. E ven though all of the suppport Marines are the first to pipe in that they are "infantrymen first", many Marine Infantry and Recon would disagree. All Marines do have an important job. And without compat support the mission would not get done. I just replying to thread that stated Marines are for warriors and the Army Infantry is only for those who could not do anything else.
There are good and bad marines, there are good and bad soldiers, good and bad sailors, etc... Each has there own groups of true warriors.
When I was in Iraq, I saw many very hard charging conventional Army Infantry and National Guard Infantry that were better trained, better equipped and knew how to fight than most men I have served with.
As for the comments about the Air Force. I know many who are proud they served in the Air Force. I had some TACPs assigned to my team in the sandbox. Hard troops. ALso had several times where a air force pilot behind a A-10 showed our team the righteous path! Air Force PJs and TACPs are some of the best ground pounders you will meet.
All the branches are good and all mesh together.
Read my post on Adivice for a Marine on the other thread about some good advice going in.
If you would like to get some very detailed info about going Army Airborne, Ranger or SF, you are more than welcome to PM me or email me at: [email protected] as I am a SF vet and would be more than happy to give you info. God Bless you for thinking of making the sacrifice to join.
Old Dog
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Ka50, "trolling" is purposely making inflammatory statements that don't have anything to do with the thread, designed to generate responses to your post, not to the thread in general.
I do ask again, how old are you and what military experience do you have?
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Exellent examples of trolling, and a pretty clear violation of forum rules.
I do ask again, how old are you and what military experience do you have?
Haven't seen any "truth" in any of your statements, but I've detected you putting down not only everyone in the military, but the President of this nation. Merry Christmas, Ka50 -- may everyone who knows you be more tolerant of you than you are of them.
+1 on that Khornet
Everything you said is spot on, except for that part about the Navy!
I took a look at your profile, were you ever an orthopedic surgeon in a small coastal town in Northern California?
The biggest problems we have here are with younger people coming to grips with the fact that their world now revolves around the Coast Guard. Most of them learn that lesson and go on to bigger and better things.
Everything you said is spot on, except for that part about the Navy!
I took a look at your profile, were you ever an orthopedic surgeon in a small coastal town in Northern California?The biggest problems we have here are with younger people coming to grips with the fact that their world now revolves around the Coast Guard. Most of them learn that lesson and go on to bigger and better things.
CD Harmon, First I belive all have an obligation to our Country. I see things from a different perspective. I was an infantryman in 1968-69 and was with D Co,3/8th INF,4th INF Div.Many of the posts extoll such an MOS as building you,being part of a group that smiles when they talk of their enlistment etc.Know that coming back from war, you will never be the same.Yes, a stronger man but that is not all. You will have the daytime memories and other grunts blown,headless on the ground,limbs servered in combat and telling a dying man "you're going to be OK" while you see his guts all over him and you. That is just the daytime,the dreams I will not describe.You need to weigh this before making a commitment. I am not here to talk you out of it but to give my view.You will never be the same, it will affect all around you.
May God give the guidance needed to you. Byron
May God give the guidance needed to you. Byron
jefnvk
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ka50 said:
That was quite possibly the most time-wasting post I ahve read on this forum, at least until I read the one two below it.
As for the original question, have you considered ROTC? That gives you an opportunity to finish college, come out a second lieutenant (IIRC), and guarantees you a job out of college. Plus, you can take it for a year or two before having to contract, so you can decide if it is really what you want to do. Not to mention they pick up a lot of the college tab, if not all.
SamlautRanger said:
I can't stress enough that I have nothing but respect for those that serve in the Air Force. We all have the same mission with each service owning a different part of the mission. My father was in the Air Force and I respect him and his service as much as I do anyone who has served in any branch of our armed forces. You misunderstood my remarks.
My comments were only directed at the statement that is always made about the Air Force "best quality of life". I think many people join the Air Force because that is exactly what their Recruiter told them and it sounded good to the young person with a limited view of what is really important. I think a lot of them later regret that they did not make the decision based on what's really important but rather what the Recruiter told them "the Air Force has the best quality of life". Unfortunately I think many of them unrightfully feel they didn't sacrifice as much in their service as those in other branches.
I am very proud of my service and have made many sacrifices over the last 19 years in the Navy. However, every night when I watch the news and see a young person killed in battle I remind myself that my sacrifices have been very small compared to what some have sacrificed.
LBTRS
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i respect the fact you want to join thats what i did. when i was 19 i joined the marines. i thought about what i would do afterwards and didnt go infantry but electronic intelligence operator. it sounded really cool and i was looking to use my clearance to go fbi nsa or whatever. well after boot camp mct i got to ft. huachuca, az to start my training still not knowing exactly what i was going to do. well lets just say it was'nt everything i had hoped for. i sat at a computer all day listining to morse code. it drove me insane, i mean beepbepbeebep all day long. well i did this for three years and finally could'nt take it so i reclassed my self. to make a long story short i spent the rest of my time running heavy equipment which was fun but not exactly what i wanted to do when i got out. now i'm a rail road conductor and like it but still wish i went to college first, which is what i think you should do. finish school go to ocs and be an officer. get paid twice as much, don't clean ????ters on friday night, and if you don't like the military life you still have a degree. if i could do it over again thats exactly what i would do.
SamlautRanger
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I think we all need to say some prayers who will be missing loved ones, killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, this Christmas.
I do think if I had to do it all over again, I would have definately joined the Air Force!! Better quality of life for sure and still get to do some really hard core high speed things. I always tell those thinking about going Special Operations, to join the Air Force!
Sorry for the misundertanding LBTR. Understand what you meant.
I do think if I had to do it all over again, I would have definately joined the Air Force!! Better quality of life for sure and still get to do some really hard core high speed things. I always tell those thinking about going Special Operations, to join the Air Force!
Sorry for the misundertanding LBTR. Understand what you meant.
SamlautRanger
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For best high speed job after you get out of the military:
Guaranteed employment at $100,000++ a year for as long as you want.
Navy EOD Diver
Army Special Forces 18E (Commo) or 18D (Medic) MOS.
Air Force ParaRescue
Navy Nuclear Tech
Guaranteed employment at $100,000++ a year for as long as you want.
Navy EOD Diver
Army Special Forces 18E (Commo) or 18D (Medic) MOS.
Air Force ParaRescue
Navy Nuclear Tech
Browns Fan
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I remember reading a quote somewhere that went something like this:
"Within every command there are pockets of competence, the secret of success is to find these pockets and exploit the hell out of them."
Now having said that and witnessed some of it firsthand, I have spent over 20 yrs in the Army and loved most of it. Looking back on it now, even some of the bad experiences, has contributed to making me a better man.
"Within every command there are pockets of competence, the secret of success is to find these pockets and exploit the hell out of them."
Now having said that and witnessed some of it firsthand, I have spent over 20 yrs in the Army and loved most of it. Looking back on it now, even some of the bad experiences, has contributed to making me a better man.
If there's nothing more important than you
join the New York Times. Otherwise, join the SERVICE. You can't reallly grow until you outgrow yourself.
And as a Navy man, let me here make a plug for the Coast Guard. They are the world's greatest mariners, and they do stuff every day that you wouldn't believe.
I would, however, finish college. Not that you need the college for service, but that it will give you a little more time to develop before you are called on to give more than you can believe yo had.
join the New York Times. Otherwise, join the SERVICE. You can't reallly grow until you outgrow yourself.
And as a Navy man, let me here make a plug for the Coast Guard. They are the world's greatest mariners, and they do stuff every day that you wouldn't believe.
I would, however, finish college. Not that you need the college for service, but that it will give you a little more time to develop before you are called on to give more than you can believe yo had.
SamlautRanger
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Good Point about the Coast Guard. Don't forget to check them out. All I know who have served in the Coast Guard loved it.
Being on a Rescue Helicopter crew stationed up in Alaska or Hawaii would be a pretty good gig I think!
Being on a Rescue Helicopter crew stationed up in Alaska or Hawaii would be a pretty good gig I think!
jdkelly
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Hate is an ulgy thing.
CDHARMON,
If you believe in your country don't let the "haters" deter you from including military service among your choices for a career. But remember, many of the same "haters" who vilify the Right now, will vilify you in a heart beat later.
Many "haters" seem to be short sighted, egocentric and will demean your service to the country but suggesting that unless you are fighting our invading enemies on our shores then you are a just a witless pawn.
While many "haters" will not serve in the military because the only "true service" is defense of the home land, there is in my mind some question as to whether the "haters" would actually join you on the beaches to defend our country.
Old Dog,
+1
Merry Christmas and/or Happy Hanukkah to all!
Respectfully,
jdkelly
CDHARMON,
If you believe in your country don't let the "haters" deter you from including military service among your choices for a career. But remember, many of the same "haters" who vilify the Right now, will vilify you in a heart beat later.
Many "haters" seem to be short sighted, egocentric and will demean your service to the country but suggesting that unless you are fighting our invading enemies on our shores then you are a just a witless pawn.
While many "haters" will not serve in the military because the only "true service" is defense of the home land, there is in my mind some question as to whether the "haters" would actually join you on the beaches to defend our country.
Old Dog,
+1
Merry Christmas and/or Happy Hanukkah to all!
Respectfully,
jdkelly
Khornet said:
You can outgrow yourself without having to be someone's expendable resource. Think wisely before you start serving King Dubya and likes. People seem to claim serving someone's wish is noble. Is your life worth having approval of people with low double digit IQ's? Take on civilian life, move out of your parents house, estalish yourself as an individual in civilian world. Takes much more strength than yelling "hooaah" or whatever they pound into your head.
And whoever said politics and military aren't connected: not only they are connected, they cannot co-exist without each other. Military is tool of politics. Thus, those are in the military are tools of more powerful men (I sense flame barrage comming in). Tools that are willing to put their lives on the line, by being propagandized they are doing something noble.
Defense of homeland and preservation of freedoms is important. That's why we should have "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Militia that is organized, yet not controlled by the government, thus is a defensive and preservation force of the State. THIS is noble.
Lebben-B
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If I'm a tool, can I be one of the long, sharp, pointy ones you shouldn't run with?
jefnvk
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I sense you have started it.
Honestly, your writing style makes me believe you have nothing more than a low double-digit IQ
You say that you want him to ask himself if he wants people with 'low double-digit IQ's' to approve of his life choices. As much as you wish to believe it, I really, really doubt Bush has a low double-digit IQ. Or most of the posters here. Especially considering anythign below 60-70 or so gets you classified as legally retarted, which, despite many people's complaining about, Bush is DEFINITELY not.
So, after you ask him if he really wants people to approve of his choice, you go and tell him what would make you approve of his choice. So now I wonder, if you really care about him making the choice just to please someone, of if you want him to make a choice that will please you.
Lebben-B
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Jef,
Dude, don't waste words on this joker and his ilk. It's kind of like wrasslin' with a pig - everybody gets dirty, and only the pig enjoys it.
Mike
Dude, don't waste words on this joker and his ilk. It's kind of like wrasslin' with a pig - everybody gets dirty, and only the pig enjoys it.
Mike
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