New Orleans Police shoot, kill man

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New Orleans Police Shoot, Kill Man
New Orleans Police Shoot and Kill Man Who Allegedly Threatened an Officer With a Knife
By BRETT MARTEL
The Associated Press

NEW ORLEANS - New Orleans police shot and killed a man who they said had threatened an officer with a knife on St. Charles Ave.

A businessman had called police after a confrontation with the 38-year-old local man, whose name was not released because his family had not been notified, said Officer David Adams, a police spokesman.

He said officers repeatedly asked the man to drop the knife, which had a 3-inch blade. They then used pepper spray on him. "Evidently the pepper spray had no effect," Adams said.

He said the man then walked toward an officer, who backed out of the way to avoid being stabbed in the chest.

Adams said he did not know how many officers fired or how many shots were fired. That is under investigation, he said. He said officers determined to have been involved in the shooting will be reassigned pending the outcome of the investigation.

Adams did not discount witness accounts that a half dozen or more shots were fired, but defended officers against suggestions that such a number of shots constituted excessive force.

"You have officers with their lives in danger how many is too many?" Adams said. "You have an officer who had to back out of the way to keep from being stabbed in the chest."

Several bystanders expressed anger that police had killed the man. While Adams spoke to reporters, one onlooker shouted, "Are your officers not trained to disarm a man with a knife without using lethal force?"

"We're trained, ma'am," Adams responded.

The incident occurred about eight blocks from Lee Circle; police cordoned off both directions of traffic and the wide median.

Phin Percy said he heard a police car, looked down from his father's second-story apartment, and saw a half-dozen officers surrounding a man who was backing up, waving his hands. Percy began recording video.

"The cops kept telling him, 'Lay down. Lay down.' This went on for about three minutes," Percy said.

While he was running downstairs, he said, he heard numerous shots. When he ran out the door, many more officers had arrived and the body was lying against a car.

When he reviewed his videotape, Percy said, he saw a small knife in the man's hand.

A bartender and patron at a nearby bar said they saw the knife before police arrived.

Patron Trey Brokaw said that when he saw the man shortly before the shooting, he looked menacing with the knife in his hand but wasn't in an attacking stance or targeting anyone.

"I didn't see anyone near him," Brokaw said. "It didn't seem like anyone was going to get hurt to me."

Brokaw did not see what happened in the final moments before the shots rang out, however.

"He should have dropped the knife," bartender Chrissy Gross said. "He obviously was not going to comply."

The shooting was the first involving on-duty New Orleans police since Hurricane Katrina damaged large areas of the city and displaced tens of thousands of residents nearly four months ago, Adams said.

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I'm interested to see how this plays out, esp. considering there was video footage.
Several bystanders expressed anger that police had killed the man. While Adams spoke to reporters, one onlooker shouted, "Are your officers not trained to disarm a man with a knife without using lethal force?"
Just how many police officers are trained to do knife disarms? That onlooker has been watching too many kung fu movies.

Good shoot? Bad shoot? Good or bad for NOPD?
 
From the info given, sounds like a perfectly good shoot to me. NOPD is in hot water already, so unfortunately this will not help things although it sounds like the officers did everything right.
 
Sorry, this may not be a "PC" response, but if you got yourself so drunk that you can't understand a "Drop the knife" command by the police, and then further advance toward an officer, with the knife in your hand. I just (Without more information) have to go with .40 cal chlorine injection to that particular gene pool.

I'm no champion of SOME of the police, but I tend to judge their reacton to a situation, as I would react to that situation. Given the information at hand, sounds like a good shoot.

I reserve my right to be wrong, and under, or misinformed.
 
If the individual was in fact advancing on an officer with the knife, the officers were fully justified in shooting him.

"Are your officers not trained to disarm a man with a knife without using lethal force?"
Stupidity...Yeah, they probably were trained in knife disarms...for that matter so am I; as are, I'm sure, I'm sure many others on this board. However empty hand knife disarms are only for times when you DON'T have the ability to shoot the guy with the knife.

Adams did not discount witness accounts that a half dozen or more shots were fired, but defended officers against suggestions that such a number of shots constituted excessive force.
Oh brother...yeah, if they stood over his prone body and fired into him multiple times that might be a little excessive. However, I highly doubt that this was the case. Fire 'till the threat is no longer a threat no matter how many rounds it takes. Besides that, do the math. It doesn't say how many officers opened fire but, for the sake of example, let's say that three officers shot the guy. It doesn't take long to put a lot of lead downrange when multiple people are shooting.
 
Puckerd ???????

Yes police are trained to handle a citizen armed with a knife. A knife is cinsidered lethal force and an officer has the right meet that force with an equal force. Most people who are not trained, don't know that an armed individual can travel a min of 21 foot before the officer can realized the threat, make a decision, ready his weapon and neutral the perceived threat. Not a situAtion that I would like to be in as an LEO. And that is not allowing a whole lot of time to make ur decsion!!!
 
Happy Families

I am sure there are at least a couple of families happy to have their son, brother, father, or whathaveyou safe tonight. Why don't their responses ever make the news. Do we only care about how the bad guy and their families feel?!?:cuss: :banghead: :cuss:
 
Based on the article, everything seems OK. It seems as though some of the bystanders are having trouble separating reality from fiction. A 3 inch knife is quite capable of killing or wounding another person.
 
Not a big fan of the Po Po, but...

Given the info in this article, it was a clean shoot. If I felt the guy with the knife were threatening me I'd shoot, so why tell the cops they've got to get cut before responding? As already mentioned, the bystanders have seen one too many kung fu movies.
 
1911 guy said:
Given the info in this article, it was a clean shoot. If I felt the guy with the knife were threatening me I'd shoot, so why tell the cops they've got to get cut before responding? As already mentioned, the bystanders have seen one too many kung fu movies.

Ya with NO cops facing national tragedy already and short of officers, should be interesting on how plays out.

They were indeed one of the most corrupt Police Forces before Katrina, along with City hall. So nothing really is BIG News coming from that city ever....
 
As a police officer, everything in this case seems like a perfectly good shoot. This is the classic person who doesn't obey commands and then advances. Good job to the officers.
 
KenpoTex said:
If the individual was in fact advancing on an officer with the knife, the officers were fully justified in shooting him.

+1

The last time I checked, "Dying at the hands of a knife-wielding madman" was not listed anywhere in the job description.
 
Yep. the dude got enough warnings. I'm not sure what the controversy is about this shoot except that there is a clear video of it.
 
tazor??

The video shows the person is either 1. BLIND, 2. on heavy drugs, or 3. severely mentally ill not fearing death.

He had 6-7 officers with guns drawn within 10-15 feet of him...he was just walking like a zombie bumping into the car.

Only sadness would be if he coulda maybe been tazored a couple 5-6 times?

Did anyone here if that WAS an option the officers had?

just curious
 
I just don't understand the logic some people seem to have. So what kind of weapon would the guy need to have for deadly force to be ok to that woman? What if the guy had a giant battleaxe? Is that enough? How about a sword? A gun?

But I thought cops were taught to disarm people with guns, just because a drunk guy pulled a gun on a cop doesn't mean he should return fire!!!! :banghead:


Anyway, seems clear cut to me. As far as tazers go, 2 of my cop friends have told stories on several occasions where they had to tazer a guy several times and even that wasn't enough to incapacitate him. Sometimes, a bullet is the only kind of talking a perp will listen to.
 
I never saw where the knife posed any immediate life-threatening problems. I agree he should have dropped it and hit the ground as ordered, but this is definitely one situation where a shot or two to one or both legs would have put him down and ended the threat. He wasn't dancing around none too rapidly, not trying to hide, flee, or attack, and was plenty close enough. "Shoot him in the arm/leg" is something that just isn't practical most of the time, but the range involved in this case should have made it a no-brainer. Like previously mentioned, it appears to be only fifteen feet or so.
 
LEOs did the right thing. At least as far as the article is concerned.

I'm fairly sure that there's a captain down there who would rather be dealing with this fallout than calling the widow of one of his people.

Shot to the leg is just begging for other troubles, not the least of which is that you haven't yet ended any deadly threat.
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I wonder what caliber they where using, and why it took "several" shots to end it? Well... He was a big guy.
 
Jbar4Ranch said:
I never saw where the knife posed any immediate life-threatening problems. I agree he should have dropped it and hit the ground as ordered, but this is definitely one situation where a shot or two to one or both legs would have put him down and ended the threat. He wasn't dancing around none too rapidly, not trying to hide, flee, or attack, and was plenty close enough. "Shoot him in the arm/leg" is something that just isn't practical most of the time, but the range involved in this case should have made it a no-brainer. Like previously mentioned, it appears to be only fifteen feet or so.


Your kidding right? :banghead:
 
I don't have a problem with the shoot. It would have been nice to see if a tazor could have worked, but it might not have. The other problem with shooting to wound is the higher likelyhood of hitting bystanders. That one picture I see shows the camera practically looking up the muzzles of a couple of the pistols.
 
Personally I have seen where tasers are useless. Those people who pepper spray will not affect, I've watched get up right away after a taser shot.

These guys did just as they are trained, and its the right way to fix this situation. There is no better way to do it than two shots to the chest and one to the head. You fire to end the threat, as they did.

Why is it everyone wants to question the law enforcement validity to bring order, rather than why this lunatic had a knife and did not obey the commands? The only person that got hurt was the wierdo nut job probably not on his prozac? Great job to the men in blue.
 
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