Pet Peeves, 2A, more terminology

I figure God....

put me on this earth to irritate the language nazis...............and the PC crowd..........chris3

Tory said:

If these cretins own Kimbers do they call them "Kimmies?"

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I dated a "Kimmie" once.


I have a CETME named "Blanca", does that count?

my favorite is refering to shotshells as "bullets". The guy that was the biggest push in getting my wife into trap does this. First time he asked me for a bulet for his shotgun, I handed him a .45 and smiled...

Words of wisdom from Ogden Nash

The Purist
by Ogden Nash

I give you now Professor Twist,
A conscientious scientist,
Trustees exclaimed, "He never bungles!"
And sent him off to distant jungles.
Camped on a tropic riverside,
One day he missed his loving bride.
She had, the guide informed him later,
Been eaten by an alligator.
Professor Twist could not but smile.
"You mean," he said, "a crocodile."

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-MV (who owns a Bushy Dissy)

Okay, I'll try to use proper firearm-related terminology if we can all just agree not to call chimps, gorillas, and orangutans "monkeys" from now on.

Sorry, it's something that drives me ape.

while we're at it, why do we shoot our guns? after all, we don't stab our knives, do we?

Stab our knives?

Sometimes I stab my knife,but only when it mocks me.Im going to clean my springfieldie M1Asie now

"Bullets" for cartridges and "clips" for magazines just make me smile.

One thing that's been bugging me, though, and I can't really explain why. The term "Stopping Power."

McCall911 said:

"Bullets" for cartridges and "clips" for magazines just make me smile.

One thing that's been bugging me, though, and I can't really explain why. The term "Stopping Power."

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Well, I wouldn't worry about it. If you load your clip full of bullets and put it in your Smithie, you'll have plenty of stopping power.

During militia training a few months ago I was chastised for calling my FAL a "rifle." He said, "It's a weapon, not a rifle!"

So it looks like there are five generic names for my FAL:

• Rifle
• Gun
• Weapon
• Firearm
• Arm

So which is it?? In what context should each term be used??

More odds-n-ends

Here are some more truths:

The word "round" can be used to signify a cartridge or a bullet.

When talking about handgun rounds, things like hydrostatic shock, energy dumping, and temporary cavity are either inconsequential or have no relevance.

The energy of a bullet does not equal the energy of recoil. The energy of a bullet is much much larger than the energy of recoil.

The Second Amendment does not "give" you the right to keep and bear arms. It says the government is not allowed to infringe on this right.

During flight, a bullet does not rise above the barrel axis. This is true regardless of whether you're shooting uphill, horizontally, or downhill.

Yeah, calling my guns....

"weapons" bugs the hell out of me. The only weapon I have is the one I shoot you with when you break into my house or try to carjack me...........when I was a young lad, the teenage girls thought the "big gun" I have in the bottom of my pocket was a weapon. I managed to convince them otherwise......... chris3

Smokey Joe said:

a gun owner is a gun owner, and we need all the friends we can get.

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I agree, we are being attacked from all sides, let's not attack ourselves.

The energy of a bullet does not equal the energy of recoil. The energy of a bullet is much much larger than the energy of recoil.

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When did Newton's 2nd law get suspended?
I think what you meant to say was that the energy of a bullet does not equal the perceived energy of recoil.

Dean

deadin said:

When did Newton's 2nd law get suspended?
I think what you meant to say was that the energy of a bullet does not equal the perceived energy of recoil.

Dean

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Nope, he's right. Newton says the momentum is equal, not the energy. Two different things. Interesting article here, http://www.kineticpulse.us/math/kp.html, discussing kinetic energy, force, momentum, impact and all that good stuff. (Not saying all his conclusions are perfect, but still a good article.)

Here's an excerpt: "Now a word about recoil. Just like momentum determines the depth of penitration [sic] of the bullet: recoil is determined by momentum. Due to the law of the conservation of momentum, whatever momentum goes out forward through the barrel also goes backward in the other direction. There is no such equality to energy or we would certainly be afraid to squeeze the trigger."

DrDeFab is correct.

Both energy and momentum are conserved. But energy can take lots of forms (thermal, chemical, potential, kinetic, etc), and thus has a tendency to "hide." So it's a real PITA to try and balance an energy equation.

Not so with momentum. Unlike energy, momentum can't "hide." That's why momentum is used when dealing with collisions.

Another type of sight you all forgot

I have a lot of sights on my guns that all have the same name, "Screwed Up".

They can't hit anything

I'd replace them in a minute with open sights or iron sights, but I've been told by people who watch me shoot that it wouldn't help

Old Dog said:

... I, however, am a curmudgeon and grow weary of some of the silly slang myself.......................

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Ditto. My pet peave in this area is the "nine-em-em"; technically not slang, just irritating.

Okay, now that I have iron sights for my M1a again, I am going home right now to load up all the clips I have for it with bullets.

I'll also load all my glock clips with bullets too.

Then I'll go out and shoot my guns.

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Bust some caps, you mean.

the gunnie-wannabe that referred to S&Ws as "Smithies" had a vacuous look on his face when I mentioned my Garand.

Said he'd never HEARD of them.

Yeah, he's an operator............

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I'm sure he is...the AT&T kind...

When talking about handgun rounds, things like hydrostatic shock, energy dumping, and temporary cavity are either inconsequential or have no relevance.

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Have to say that's a debatable conclusion (a.k.a. an opinion), not an established truth. Agree with the rest, though.

Whatever you want to call them , its thier fault when I miss a Bullseye

Tory said:

"What does bother me is people who don't know a goh-ram thing about firearms and are only using it to try and sound cool. (mainly because these people use terms like this exessively and at every oportunity)."

Precisely. And the gunnie-wannabe that referred to S&Ws as "Smithies" had a vacuous look on his face when I mentioned my Garand.

Said he'd never HEARD of them.

Yeah, he's an operator............

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I'm with you. If someone I know is a gun lover calls it a clip, I know what he is talking about so I don't care. When you meet some idiot and they drop a ton of slang that I tend to roll my eyes.

birddog said:

Well, I wouldn't worry about it. If you load your clip full of bullets and put it in your Smithie, you'll have plenty of stopping power.

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^5 to birddog!

I went into a gunshop the other day. I walked up to the counter and asked it they had any .45 caliber bullets. He came back with a box of 20 self defense hollow points. I said that I meant actual bullets. "Oh, you want just the bullets... I think I have some of those in the back..."

Preacherman said:

Or "iron sights" - when they're made of plastic...

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As to "Smithies" ... I always thought the smithie was to local blacksmith shop. As in "Under a speading chestnut tree, the village smithie stands ..."

McCall911 said:

"Bullets" for cartridges and "clips" for magazines just make me smile.

One thing that's been bugging me, though, and I can't really explain why. The term "Stopping Power."

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Larger bullets have more stopping power because of the increased swept area. The stopping power can be increased still more if the larger bullets are equipped with ceramic-metallic pads and the case is loaded with DOT-5 silicone brake fluid, because it has a higher boiling point.

Large bullets with drum brakes, however, are only effective when first applied. After that, heat causes a rapid diminution of stopping power. Therefore, it is usually best to shoot only large bullets equipped with disc brakes, especially if you intend to shoot multiple targets with the same bullet.