Molest a child in Vermont and get 60 days.......molest a child in Texas and get 396 YEARS........... http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/13716388.htm chris3
The difference between Texas and Vermont..
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One is a conservative state and one is a liberal state, what else would you expect
. BTW the Texas judge was still too lenient. Now the taxpayers will have to cloth and feed this POS, where a $.25 cent bullet could take care of the problem permanently.
. BTW the Texas judge was still too lenient. Now the taxpayers will have to cloth and feed this POS, where a $.25 cent bullet could take care of the problem permanently.Glock Glockler
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Maybe the Vermont judge is actually a genius, his plan might be to get him out of jail ASAP so the real justice may commence where the Texas guy will never get what he REALLY deserves and the taxpayers will have to pick up his tab for the rest of his life.
longhorngunman said:One is a conservative state and one is a liberal state, what else would you expect
a 25 cent bullet just begs the question, what caliber for firing squads?
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longhorngunman said:One is a conservative state and one is a liberal state, what else would you expect
Which is really weird for a state that has open carry.
How did that happen? I've always wondered how a state that's usually considered "liberal" has pretty much no firearm laws at all at least regarding concealed/unconcealed etc.
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Vermont's firearms laws—or lack thereof, as the case may be—date back to the early years of the twentieth century, long before leftist extremists began to infest the state.
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longhorngunman said:One is a conservative state and one is a liberal state, what else would you expect
Why spend $.25 on every rapist and child molester? Just go out and buy a $30 hatchet and a chopping block, they can be reused.
In this age of lengthy court battles, it is usually cheaper to lock bad guys up forever than to execute them. As long as they never get out, I don't mind. (YMMV-- a lot). Life imprisonment without parole does allow for some wiggle room if an innocent man has been convicted. It's difficult to unkill them.
--Herself
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Brad Johnson
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The difference between Texas and Vermont?
Well, people from Vermont have a funny accent...
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Well, people from Vermont have a funny accent...
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cbsbyte
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People in Texas where cowboy boots, while people in Vermont wear Birkenstocks.
cbsbyte
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Brad Johnson said:
Yeah people in Vermont have a funny sounding accent, its called a New York city accent. There are not too many real Yankees lefts in New England, most have past on, or left to warmer climates.
cosine
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Brad Johnson said:
Well, people in Texas have a drawl...
That said, I agree with Herself. I don't believe in the death penalty.
But, the judge that gave the 60 day sentence was wrong.
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Herself said:
i have to address this one. What is the purpose of prison?
97% of ALL incarcerated inmates will be released. So, what did prison do? Remove them from the world for a set time, and that's it? or hope we actually fif what our title says, and correct thier behavior so they do not wish to ever return to prison?
OK, so what does life in prison do? If there is no possability that thi individual will ever return to scoiety as a rehabiliteda citizen, what purpose does it to keep him in prison, housed, fed, clothed, educated, (fed decree), etc, for the rest of his natural life? Either we acknowlege prison as also a place of punishment, and design a lifer-only prison, or go with the rehabilitation crowd, and eliminate the life in prison sentance.
The crowd in the back is really screaming now....I ain't done yet, gents, put down the shotguns, please.
Any crime worthy of life in prison is worthy of elimination from society forever, as it is the same thing, with a few stipulations. First, conclusive DNA evidence for a death sentance. Automatic appeal - anyone can screw something up. After second death sentance, execution in seven to ten working days....
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hvengel said:
Well I think its only a matter of time before the gun laws come to Vermont
Problem is, all that DNA testing and automatic appealing adds up, and -- at least as it works now -- costs more than keeping them under locak and key until they die of more natural causes.armoredman said:
If the goal is to remove that player from the game and to do so at the least cost to society, life without parole is the most efficient way of doing it.
If the goal is "a life for a life," then killing him is the only way.
What is done with a convicted criminal depends on the goal: rehabilitation, removal, retribution or restutution to the victim. In the U. S., there has been a lot of vacillation among the first three, often resulting in "none of the above" as the default answer. The fourth option is rarely considered, and is probably not practical in many cases, including capital crimes.
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This week, the judge had a change of heart (no doubt after being ridiculed and derided almost universally) and changed the sentence to 3 years in prison. It's still about 97 years too short.
I'm familiar with some of the details of this case, but not the family situation of the victim or the victim's relationship with the rapist, and I'm not trying to place blame anywhere but...
The rapist molested this girl for 4 years. Where were her parents during this time? I have two young kids, and as hard as it was, I had very serious dicussions with them starting at about age six as to what was appropriate (in terms of adults' behavior towards them) and what was not. I assured them that regardless of what anybody says, nothing is their fault and to tell me whenever they had ANY reason to believe that somebody did something wrong to them - no matter who it is. I also told them not to believe anyone that said that they would hurt one of us if they told, as well keeping them informed about other ploys that these sick monsters use to keep kids quiet.
I feel that it is my duty as a parent to keep them trained on what to do if they get into any situation when they think they're in danger, etc.
With bad luck, anything can happen once. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but if something happened to one of my kids, I think I'd find out about it. Then I'd let the courts take care of it. Of course, if the guy gets 60 days, on Day 61 it'd be shoot, shovel, and shutup.
I'm familiar with some of the details of this case, but not the family situation of the victim or the victim's relationship with the rapist, and I'm not trying to place blame anywhere but...
The rapist molested this girl for 4 years. Where were her parents during this time? I have two young kids, and as hard as it was, I had very serious dicussions with them starting at about age six as to what was appropriate (in terms of adults' behavior towards them) and what was not. I assured them that regardless of what anybody says, nothing is their fault and to tell me whenever they had ANY reason to believe that somebody did something wrong to them - no matter who it is. I also told them not to believe anyone that said that they would hurt one of us if they told, as well keeping them informed about other ploys that these sick monsters use to keep kids quiet.
I feel that it is my duty as a parent to keep them trained on what to do if they get into any situation when they think they're in danger, etc.
With bad luck, anything can happen once. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but if something happened to one of my kids, I think I'd find out about it. Then I'd let the courts take care of it. Of course, if the guy gets 60 days, on Day 61 it'd be shoot, shovel, and shutup.
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armoredman said:
For some reason "seven to ten working days" just cracked me up.
I agree... 15, 10, or even 5 years on death row is a waste of time and
money. I also believe there should be more crimes that are an executionable offence.
Herself said:
I have to disagree. As a Biotech & MLT student I have an overabundance of
information in this area and have even ran a few of the tests myself. In no
way, shape, or form is it cheaper for life without parole vs. DNA testing even
with some red tape and retesting needed. At this rate it wont be long before
they're doing it in your average small town doctor's office.
IIRC I read an article a several years back stating it ran between $35,000 to
$48,000 to house one inmate a year depending on location.
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Did any one else hear or read that the molester in Vermont was mentally slow. Yeah, he has the mind of a ten year old. This is why the judge did not want to sentance him to a long term in a prison where he would be tortured, for doing something he really has no control over. I have only heard this on MSNBC, and never on FOX.
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cbsbyte said:
Then he needs to be permanently institutionalized in a mental health facility.
A threat is a threat period.
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+1. Studies have shown that the recidivism rate among those executed is far below that of parollees.JohnKSa said:I do, but only as a form of rehabilitation.
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