Another idiot spreading misinformation

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RaetherEnt

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So, I am in Cabela's yesterday picking up reloading dies for my new Remy 700 Sendero .300 Win Mag :eek: , and as I stop in the isle to start looking at the dies, I overhear a conversation between a father and son...

Son: So the SKS, is that like a fully automatic machine gun?
Father: Oh yeah.

Immediately my blood boils, and I interject...

"No, it is a semi-automatic rifle, meaning you pull the trigger once, it fires one round, pull it again, it fires one more round."

Father: Well, yeah, but you can make it fully automatic.

"Sure you could", I tell him, "If one, you knew what the hell you were doing, and two, you didn't mind spending the majority of your adult life in prison."

With that, I turned back around and went back to what I was doing. The pair silenced up and split out of there pretty quickly.

What pi$$ed me off even more is that they were picking out ammo as they were having this conversation. So they obviously do in fact own guns, yet know nothing of what they speak, and probably spew out this kind of talk to their wives and girlfriends, who pass it on to their friends...And sooner or later "Cabela's is selling machine guns, and THAT is why we need gun control..."

:cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :banghead:
 
If you know enough, and have the equipment to turn a stock gun full auto, you also know that it's easier to build one from scratch.
 
geekWithA.45 said:
If you know enough, and have the equipment to turn a stock gun full auto, you also know that it's easier to build one from scratch.

Well, at least rebuild major components. But yea, to do a proper job you basicly start from scratch. Good job in giving a verbal slap to such stupidity RaetherEnt.
 
When I'm in a gun shop, I listen for words like "don't! that's loaded!" "everybody down, this is a robbery!" or an empassioned "holy :cuss: " For everything else, I do my best impression of a deaf guy. It keeps the blood pressure down.
 
Idiotic, true....

...But it is awfully easy to make an SKS into a moron's "machine gun" by not cleaning it. Firing pin doesn't have a return spring, and will stick out if gummed up.

Rate of fire is a bit high. Not especially controllable. Causes BATF to wet themselves.

--Herself
 
If you know enough, and have the equipment to turn a stock gun full auto, you also know that it's easier to build one from scratch.

Unless you're talking about a Mini-14 or some AK variants. Then you're talking about 5 minutes with a dremel.
 
the sks will not stay together under rock and roll. some pre and post samples have been made, and are problematic, at best. they depend on a tilting breach system, rather than the superior rotating locking lug design.

the cartridge is too powerful for blow-back, and the receiver is not heavy enough for tilting breach.
 
When I'm in a gun shop, I listen for words like "don't! that's loaded!" "everybody down, this is a robbery!" or an empassioned "holy :cuss: " For everything else, I do my best impression of a deaf guy. It keeps the blood pressure down.

Hahahahaha!
:D
 
Whatever happened to an armed society being a polite society? I would've asked you to butt out in no uncertain terms.
 
Responses to Idiots

Best response is to feign keen interest and ask him exactly how such a full-auto conversion would be made. When he says to just "File the sear down" you've got him. "And how, pray tell, would you prevent the resulting very dangerous condition of having the gun fire out of battery...assuming that the "conversion" would even work reliably?" Then, when he starts citing examples of his experiences with such guns that some of his buddies have
converted, reply simply: "Uh huh...Okay" and busy yourself with other tasks.
A sly wink and a little grin at another employee will cinch it.
They normally don't hang around long after that.

If he persists, gently explain that an automatic rifle's hammer fall must be correctly timed to occur after the bolt has gone completely to battery and the breech locked, or the result will be a resounding kaboom with accompanying shards of hot steel launching in all directions...and that filing the sear will either result in that or...most often...in a no-fire hammer follow.

When I was doin' the job...I used to get about 3 AR-15s a month in which either the lower hammer hook or the tip of the disconnect had been cut back
so as to let the rifle rock'n'roll. None worked due to the captive angle between the top of the hammer and the recess in the bolt carrier. Of course, they all lied about how their rifles happened to sustain the damage to the parts. I replaced the altered parts and, on return of the rifles, I whispered that I gave'em a break, since I was supposed to report to the ATF that they had attempted to illegally convert their rifles....but I wouldn't do it
"this time." They usually just looked at me slightly slack-jawed for a second...nodded and whispered "thanks bro" and left in a hurry.

I frimly believe in jackin'em up when they come in talkin' that trash...and don't much care who's standin' there to watch'em make fools out of themselves.
 
No No, you can make a SKS full-auto with a straw. :rolleyes: as I have been told by a know-it-all. Or was it a Mac90 but either way their the same thing. "just shove a straw behind the trigger and it'll be full auto" :banghead:
 
Mac 10

DHFirearms said:
No No, you can make a SKS full-auto with a straw. :rolleyes: as I have been told by a know-it-all. Or was it a Mac90 but either way their the same thing. "just shove a straw behind the trigger and it'll be full auto" :banghead:

Unfortunately, the old open-bolt Ingram pistols were just about that easy.
That's one reason that the ATF clasified even the semi-auto open-bolt Mac10s and Mac11s and Uzi carbines as machineguns that now require a Title 2 license or Class 3 tax stamp to own.
 
Talking about converting semi-auto's to full-auto is a good way to arrange a 0200 meet and greet with your local BATF office. Yeah, I know "It'll never happen to me." Lotta guys in prison who thought that. Probably even more are working as F-troop narcs. Sad that one needs to be worried about giving the fed.gov an excuse to blackmail you.

Conspiracy, the all purpose charge!
 
The father was just blabbing to impress his son. I doubt he meant any harm but people really do need to be careful what they say. As for converting weapons you really need to be careful. I had a friend that did just that thinking who would know. He took it out and fired it one time on his own property in the middle of nowhere and a neighbor over a mile away heard automatic fire and called the state police. Long story short he ended up with an arrest record and years of probation. not to mention having a very nice weapon confiscated.:(
 
gmarshall139 said:
Whatever happened to an armed society being a polite society? I would've asked you to butt out in no uncertain terms.


Ditto that thought. You went out of your way to make a guy look bad in front of his kid. That is ALWAYS bad form and classless.:( Raetherent, you were the ignorant one in this case.
 
gmarshall139 said:
Whatever happened to an armed society being a polite society? I would've asked you to butt out in no uncertain terms.

Exactly, Marshall. The starter of this thread feels proud that he embarrassed a father in front of his son. It may have made him feel big, but it made him look like an ill-mannered clod.
 
hmmm, some stranger in a store, obviously is not that knowledgelbe about communist military rifles and you acost him, possible offend, maybe even scare him to the point he took his son and fled the store.

Yup, that sure is the way to promote firearm stewardship. You know, not everyone is a walking encyclopedia of infinite gun knowledge.

Any bets on thier new impression of gun owners?
 
PlayboyPenguin said:
As for converting weapons you really need to be careful. I had a friend that did just that thinking who would know. He took it out and fired it one time on his own property in the middle of nowhere and a neighbor over a mile away heard automatic fire and called the state police. Long story short he ended up with an arrest record and years of probation. not to mention having a very nice weapon confiscated.:(

That full auto sound tends to cause a general panic. I was bump-firing my AK at my range and someone called the law. The responding officer was OK after I showed him how to bump-fire. Although he did use up most of my ammo.

Also, it's not cool to show someone up in front of their kid. That's a gun store commando tactic.
 
Good job RaetherEnt but since you had his attention you might have politely enlightened him a little more. It doesn't hurt to impart wisdom to the ill informed every chance you get.:)


About the SKS thing.
The SKS was designed to be easily converted to a safe fully functional full auto in a matter of minutes.
The the instructions were on the last page of the original SKS Chi Com manual that came with my new Chi Com SKS (years ago).

Lost, with a lot of other gun stuff, when my gun shop burned in 1995.:(
 
Not for long...

"The SKS was designed to be easily converted to a safe fully functional full auto in a matter of minutes.
The the instructions were on the last page of the original SKS Chi Com manual that came with my new Chi Com SKS (years ago)."

Given that the SKS had a 10-round, fixed magazine, why bother? :scrutiny:
 
Missashot and I were in a pawn shop the other day....one we've never been in before. I was busy trying to make out makes and models of handguns in the over crowded display case, when an older gentleman came in wanting to get a double-barrel shotgun. I missed the conversation, but Missashot heard it. She told me, later when we were pulling out of the parking lot, that the gentleman was looking for a shotgun because his house was broken into recently. He wanted a shorter double-barrel than they had to offer, but the two employees (owners?) told him that he could cut it down to any size he wanted. :what: There was no mention of it being a felony if the barrel was too short or it the overall length was too short. They then tried steering the guy to a pump shotgun. They were telling him that simply racking the action would make an intruder run. :rolleyes: If I'd heard of what what transpiring, I'd have probably told the man that what he was thinking of doing may have been highly illegal and may make him a felon if caught. I sure hope he wound up legal if he bought anything there. I'd hate to think that the salespeople convinced this guy to just cut the shotgun down. We've decided to not go to that place, again.
 
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