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progunner1957 said:
5: A.) By what mechanism and justification did "The Government" suspend the Bill of Rights in NO? B.) Was it simply on the say-so of the Police Chief who did not have such authority?


President Merkin Muffley:
"General Turgidson, I find this very difficult to understand. I was under the impression that I was the only one in authority to order the use of nuclear weapons. "

General "Buck" Turgidson:
"That's right, sir, you are the only person authorized to do so. And although I, uh, hate to judge before all the facts are in, it's beginning to look like, uh, General Ripper exceeded his authority."
 
Herself said:
I'm always polite to the police, Oleg. Most of them rate it and even the ones that don't deserve the same benefit of the doubt any other person would deserve. Even if they do come for my guns and I lie to them about the existence of any such evil nasty icky horrid things, I will do it nicely.

...And if they try to take away my means of self-defense, especially under disaster/emergency conditions and I do end up having to shoot them, I'll do that just as politely as I can, too, while sincerely regretting having had to shoot 'em. In a decent society with a well-behaved government, the shooting of public servants should never be necessary.


M-Rex, old pal, is it your contention that:
  • Firearms lawfully possesed by people were not seized by police during the aftermath of the NOLA hurricaine and flood; or
  • That it was a good and legal act for police to seize such arms; or
  • That citizens have no basic or intrinsic right to self-defense; or
  • That it is "flaky" or "nutty" to assert the right to keep and bear arms?
Or is it all of the above? Do tell; I would be pleased to hear your take on this.

--Herself



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I was commenting on the nigh-inevitable frothing and chest beating that occurs after one of these sorts of references -- especially the fiasco in New Orleans -- and the propensity of the authority-phobes to rant and rave.
 
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Herself said:
...A clarification: I'm getting mail that suggests I am picking on Mr. Volk. I am not. I approve of his firm resolve; I just happen to hold a slightly different opinion.

See, it works like the boys used to say of me back in the old dim, dark BBS and Fidonet days: "she only speaks for herself."
Thus the 'nym.
Get it?


I don't even especially care what the rest of you do if there's some widespread disaster and the idiots in charge (pardon me, "wise and benevolent elected and appointed officials") decide to waste resources going after guns belonging to non-looters. I am not your Mom. I am also not gonna be a victim.

If things go badly awry, I'm likely to be busy helping patch together some crummy approximation of broadcast media so you can all be told to boil water, not to eat any house pets you don't know and to and stay indoors -- and I will be armed. If you are or not and if you'll let some noseyparker make that decision for you is your own decision.

--Herself


Thank you for making the point outlined in my post above for me.
 
Yes, my 'net skillz are rusty (even though I have been pecking away at keyboards since just before Mosaic was the only browser), but can anyone provide a copy/link to the aforementioned videos?
 
Eisande said:
Yes, my 'net skillz are rusty (even though I have been pecking away at keyboards since just before Mosaic was the only browser), but can anyone provide a copy/link to the aforementioned videos?
Here are the two video's in question. The first shows the house to house search & roundup, with the second showing Ms. Konie in her kitchen. Pay attention to the comments made by those involved.

Scroll down to "Cramer has a copy..." Then click on the video clip.

http://triggerfinger.org/weblog/group/category/arms_control/lawsuits/new_orleans/index.jsp


http://pun.org/josh/archives/2005/09/patricia_konie.html
 
Wrong button, M-Rex? Like, maybe the, "Oh dearie me, it was the Thin Blue Line that was roughing up and disarming little old ladies," button?

Call it ranting, raving or frothing all you like; the fact remains it was your team that went after lawfully owned weapons during an emergency that included roving gangs of looters. Policemen -- peace officers! -- disarmed the law-abiding while bad guys were on the prowl. Chaw on that.

It merits a bit of a rant.

Not everything police do is automatically okay.

When my ability to protect myself is at risk, I will take any steps that will maintain it.

--Herself
 
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Ughh I just watched those videos that's infuriating too bad the old biddy didn't put lead in those gestapo bastards heads.


That's disgusting what kind of America is this anymore.
 
I like the print Oleg, as usual great work. She wll have her day in court and hopefully the chp members involved will wind up as unarmed security guards.
As for the next time, people will be prepared.

Read the link below.
 
Thomas Jefferson distrusted authority figures so much he suggested the people should stage a revolution every 20 years. I personally don't condone that, but I think he hit the distrust part right on the head from what I've seen from the government and authorities in my lifetime.
 
Oleg,
Thank you for focusing in on this issue. The NOLA Gun Grab Saga is not yet over. Legal action is still pending in individual cases. Many do not realize the widespread migration of arms, especially shotguns that occured between north and south Louisiana in the Fall of 2005.

I would like to see more of these. This one has already been printed out and posted in at least two Louisiana gun stores.
 
progunner1957 said:
The New Orleans gun confiscation was one of the top three outrages in the recent history of the United States, the other two being when "The Government" slaughtered its own citizens at Waco, TX and Ruby Ridge, ID.

Notice a pattern here? All three incidents involved people with guns that just wanted to be left alone. I'm not sure which "The Government" hates more - people who have guns, or people who just want to be left alone.

In the case of the NO gun snatch, let's look at an average guy - let's say he has a small collection of 10 production (non-custom) handguns. Depending on what he has and with handgun prices of $500 to $800 per gun, his collection is worth between $5000 and $8000.

So "The Government" decides to "take all the guns," as the socialist police chief of NO arbitrairly decided. "The Government" comes to this guy's house, takes his guns throws them into the bed of a truck with hundreds of other guns - beating them all to p1$$, cutting their value by half (or more) and the guy never sees his beat to p1$$ guns again. That is the essence of what happened.

This gives rise to questions, to wit-
1: Why did "The Government" feel the need to disarm people who were doing nothing more than sitting in the remains of their homes with their guns in order to repel looters?

2: How many home owners sitting in the remains of their homes fired on police/fire/emergency personnel before the gun snatch? [My guess is zero.]

3: Why did "The Government" not disarm the looters and thugs roaming the streets instead?

4: Where the "f" was the citizen's right to due process?

5: A.) By what mechanism and justification did "The Government" suspend the Bill of Rights in NO? B.) Was it simply on the say-so of the Police Chief who did not have such authority?

6: How can "The Government" do this to a supposed free people when martial law HAD NOT been declared?

7: Exactly how and when will the citizens who had their guns stolen by "The Government" be reimbursed for the cost of their stolen/destroyed property?

8: A.) Since the NO gun snatch was a "success" in the eyes of "The Government," is it now considered standard procedure in emergency situations? B.) If a tornado, earthquake or blizzard strikes my community, is "The Government" going to come around and try to take my guns?

The NO gun snatch amounts to nothing less than the rape of liberty and an undeniable show of the contempt that petty bureaucrats and "The Government" have for the rights guaranteed to We The People by the Bill of Rights.

The law abiding citizens of NO should have never been put in the situation thery were forced into, which was "Give us your guns or we will kill you and take them from you." That is exactly the choice "The Government" forced upon them.

Under those circumstances, it is a damn shame that "The Government's" gun snatching thugs were not shot dead by the dozens by those they sought to disarm - just like The Founders shot dead the Crown's thugs that were sent to disarm them.

We The People want answers!!:fire:



Quoted for truth. Shame that there's so many supposedly pro-gun folks here who do not agree with these statements. You either understand how liberty works and how America was setup, or you simply do not. Many don't have the faintest idea and to think they are out trying to defend gun-rights. This is why we get "pro-gun" bills that are really anti-gun because they increase regulation, restriction, or open the door to future gun control.


If you are not an absolutist when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, then you are part of the problem. This is because the anti-gunners are going for all out bans, while the "pro-gun" folks are just delaying and agreeing to "death by a thousand papercuts". The end result, the 2nd Amendment dies. Just pick a fast death, or death over a few decades.



Oleg, nice work yet again on your posters. I really love your work.
 
Just remember that atf is a tax agency and they were their to collect taxes. I am an absolutist my .45 is your machine gun is someone else's hunting rifle is someone else's clay gun is someone's AR.
 
The California Highway Patrol said it plans to fire two officers after an internal investigation regarding their actions in New Orleans.

More.
 
M-Rex said:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I was commenting on the nigh-inevitable frothing and chest beating that occurs after one of these sorts of references -- especially the fiasco in New Orleans -- and the propensity of the authority-phobes to rant and rave.

Spoken like a true 0% Police State kinda guy.

here I can roll my eyes too :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
The California Highway Patrol said it plans to fire two officers after an internal investigation regarding their actions in New Orleans.
GOOD on CHP for this action. Neither should work in Law Enforcement anywhere in this county again. Pity that their dismissal is the result of shooting 'gators and not filling out the paperwork, rather than their behaving like JBT in an old woman's home. :fire:

On a whole like the poster Oleg, though I think the text on the left (2005/NOLA) could use some adjustment. But then, we know the old axiom about critics... :D
I was commenting on the nigh-inevitable frothing and chest beating that occurs after one of these sorts of references -- especially the fiasco in New Orleans -- and the propensity of the authority-phobes to rant and rave.
No foth-mouthed chest beating M-Rex. Plain and simple; attempt to deprive me of my means to defend myself and my home in a disaster, and I WILL STOP YOU rather than allow that to happen. The "thin blue line" is under ZERO obligation to defend my life and property from those who would do me ill.
 
Herself said:
Wrong button, M-Rex? Like, maybe the, "Oh dearie me, it was the Thin Blue Line that was roughing up and disarming little old ladies," button?

Call it ranting, raving or frothing all you like; the fact remains it was your team that went after lawfully owned weapons during an emergency that included roving gangs of looters. Policemen -- peace officers! -- disarmed the law-abiding while bad guys were on the prowl. Chaw on that.

It merits a bit of a rant.

Not everything police do is automatically okay.

When my ability to protect myself is at risk, I will take any steps that will maintain it.

--Herself

Take a valium and settle down.

Those chippies who sacked that little old woman weren't on 'my' team. Nor were those two female NOPD winners who were walking around filling up their WalMart cart. They were disgraceful, and I sincerely hope their badges were torn from their respective chests after they returned to their departments.

What you are doing is simply painting with a broad brush and generalizing. I saw a cop do a bad thing, therefore ALL cops do bad things. Rant, rave, whine, complain, generalize, rinse, repeat...

There's a word for what you are demonstrating.

Bigotry.

Chaw on that.
 
Sindawe said:
No foth-mouthed chest beating M-Rex. Plain and simple; attempt to deprive me of my means to defend myself and my home in a disaster, and I WILL STOP YOU rather than allow that to happen. The "thin blue line" is under ZERO obligation to defend my life and property from those who would do me ill.

Everyone is a badass on the internet.

BTW...good job CHP for removing those clods. Talk about a nationwide black eye.
 
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