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authority-phobes

I suppose that I am kinda authority-phobic if the authorities kick down the doors of little old ladies and disarm them.

"Authority-phobic" has that ring to it like that term that they threw at us in the 1990s. "Anti-government extremist."

All this time I thought I was just being a realist....
 
BTW...good job CHP for removing those clods. Talk about a nationwide black eye.
The question is, M Rex, why have they not removed the CHP officers who attacked Patricia Konie and stole her property? THAT is a nationwide black eye. Instead, they decide to protect gators rather than law abiding citizens who simply wished to be left alone.
 
XavierBreath said:
The question is, M Rex, why have they not removed the CHP officers who attacked Patricia Konie and stole her property? THAT is a nationwide black eye. Instead, they decide to protect gators rather than law abiding citizens who simply wished to be left alone.

That was the incident I was referring to. Were that me, I would have checked to see if she was ok. When I determined she had adequate food/water/defensive capability, I would have wished her good luck and moved on. There were infinitely more important things to worry about than a seventy-something old lady with a .38.
 
M-Rex said:
Everyone is a badass on the internet.

Yup, just like some cops are. Careful with that broadbrush, you might put an eye out.:rolleyes:
CT

Wee bit of advice? If you go around with the attitude that everyone will roll over when they see the badge, you very well may get suprised one day.
There are "badasses" out there and people who aren't and both are willing to die over what they believe in.
 
CentralTexas said:
Yup, just like some cops are. Careful with that broadbrush, you might put an eye out.:rolleyes:
CT

Wee bit of advice? If you go around with the attitude that everyone will roll over when they see the badge, you very well may get suprised one day.
There are "badasses" out there and people who aren't and both are willing to die over what they believe in.

Hold on. Let me write that one down.:rolleyes:
 
Exactly, M Rex. The CHP has seen fit to fire two policemen who shot at gators. They protect three policemen who threw a 78 year old woman to the ground, injuring her shoulder, in the process of wrongfully taking control of her property. Why is it that the CHP is protecting these men, but firing those who shoot at gators?

Could it be that LA. Wildlife and Fisheries decided to press charges regarding the gators, while the little lady has to hire an attorney and wait her turn?
 
The poster's attractive and all, but it really doesn't tell the story. Not to disparage the poster, I'm just not sure how showing a young woman looking ready and prepared for trouble gets the message of disarmament and trampling of rights across. It's a nice inspirational shot for those of us who know the story, but I'm not sure how anyone else would get it.
 
They helped get the injunction to stop the seizures and I assume are working on the punitive/renumerative aspects.

Should be covered in the American Rifleman (I assume GOA also has a newsletter/magazine) that all members get. You are a member of one or the other, right?
 
carebear said:
They helped get the injunction to stop the seizures and I assume are working on the punitive/renumerative aspects.

Should be covered in the American Rifleman (I assume GOA also has a newsletter/magazine) that all members get. You are a member of one or the other, right?

Right, but I don't see a peep about it on www.nra.org.

At least www.gunowners.org has a prominent link on their homepage, with several good links beyond that, including video of the incident.
 
XavierBreath said:
Exactly, M Rex. The CHP has seen fit to fire two policemen who shot at gators. They protect three policemen who threw a 78 year old woman to the ground, injuring her shoulder, in the process of wrongfully taking control of her property. Why is it that the CHP is protecting these men, but firing those who shoot at gators?

Could it be that LA. Wildlife and Fisheries decided to press charges regarding the gators, while the little lady has to hire an attorney and wait her turn?

I can't explain that. I can only offer that I share your confusion.
 
Wooo, this one's getting a little out of hand.

I'm kind of reluctant to weigh in on katrina/rita threads, but the unforgivable thing there was when someone gave you bad information and it kept you from doing the most good for the most people. It's not like CHP came up with this idea themselves, someone in Louisiana government with apparent authority told them to do it, and they got suckered. It's not a nice feeling. But it'd be nice if the people who came up with the idea, shouted it in the papers, and conned the people from all over the country who came to help got burned for it.
 
someone in Louisiana government with apparent authority told them to do it, and they got suckered.
The untold story is that many in Law Enforcement, particularly the Louisiana State Police, refused to implement Eddie Compass' and Warren Riley's orders to confiscate weapons. If the LSP and other agencies refused to confiscate weapons, then why did others proceed? They did not get "suckered". They were willing participants in illegal firearms confiscations that their counterparts refused to get involved in. They had the opportunity to illegally abuse their authority, and they took that opportunity.

Edwin Compass III fell on his sword and resigned after a restraining order was issued to prevent further confiscations. The real source of the confiscation order has been obscured, but is rumored to extend all the way to Blanco. Ray Nagin is listed on the restraining order.

FWIW, an impeachment movement is underway for Blanco.

The Restraining Order
 
M-Rex said:
Oops. Wrong button.


M-Rex, could you please clarify what to me seems to be some glaring inconsistencies in your sig line and your posts?

100% Pro-Police. 0% Pro-Police State. Proud member/supporter of the thin blue line since 1992.
Μολών λαβέ!


You have stated time and time again that people should silently surrender their arms in the face of illegal and unjustified police action style confiscations, yet you tack on the statement "molon labe!" to the end of your posts. What DO you believe? Honest question here.

0% police state - as long as "regular joes" don't resist illegal police actions?

"Then come and get them!" - your beliefs or a pretty font?
 
Meplat said:
M-Rex, could you please clarify what to me seems to be some glaring inconsistencies in your sig line and your posts?

100% Pro-Police. 0% Pro-Police State. Proud member/supporter of the thin blue line since 1992.
Μολών λαβέ!


You have stated time and time again that people should silently surrender their arms in the face of illegal and unjustified police action style confiscations, yet you tack on the statement "molon labe!" to the end of your posts. What DO you believe? Honest question here.

0% police state - as long as "regular joes" don't resist illegal police actions?

"Then come and get them!" - your beliefs or a pretty font?

Wrong.

Never said that.
 
M-Rex said:
Take a valium and settle down.

Spoken like one of the truly "elite".

Those chippies who sacked that little old woman weren't on 'my' team. Nor were those two female NOPD winners who were walking around filling up their WalMart cart. They were disgraceful, and I sincerely hope their badges were torn from their respective chests after they returned to their departments.

I seriously doubt it. They come from the land that loves that kind of thing. Both the sackers of the little old lady and the servants of Ray Nagin. California LOVES it's gun grabbers to the point of shielding them from scrutiny, and the NOPD is well known as one of the most corrupt in the nation. That according to the FBI.

What you are doing is simply painting with a broad brush and generalizing. I saw a cop do a bad thing, therefore ALL cops do bad things. Rant, rave, whine, complain, generalize, rinse, repeat...

I've seen her criticize NO ONE but those who ILLEGALLY disarmed, detained, injured, and shipped over state lines against her will a little old lady who only wanted to be left alone. Does it bother you that Herself would be a bit irrate at that kind of behaviour?

Her irrate stance wouldn't bother me one little bit as I was sitting in the dark, guarding the generator I had managed to secure after four days with no power, no water, no ice, no way to keep my incisions clean and dry and, and watching my neighbor's house with a scoped .308 in my lap (because he was frantically trying to locate and rescue his own family members and couldn't be right there to do it himself) while I recupperated from heart surgery from two days before.

There's a word for what you are demonstrating.

Bigotry.

Chaw on that.

Give me something to "chaw" on. Quote me one single thing she's said that advocated violence against LE's who were performing a LEGAL function. Then you have a case for "bigotry". What you have right now is a pocket full of "empty".
 
Meplat said:
Spoken like one of the truly "elite".

There's that wide brush again...in case you didn't see it.

I seriously doubt it. They come from the land that loves that kind of thing. Both the sackers of the little old lady and the servants of Ray Nagin. California LOVES it's gun grabbers to the point of shielding them from scrutiny, and the NOPD is well known as one of the most corrupt in the nation. That according to the FBI.

Well...I guess I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. Do you get more upset when I agree with you or when I don't agree with you?

Hey...that was more of that wide brush. Wow.

I've seen her criticize NO ONE but those who ILLEGALLY disarmed, detained, injured, and shipped over state lines against her will a little old lady who only wanted to be left alone. Does it bother you that Herself would be a bit irrate at that kind of behaviour?

Not in the slightest. The one-cop-is-bad-so-all-cops-are-bad thing though...

Her irrate stance wouldn't bother me one little bit as I was sitting in the dark, guarding the generator I had managed to secure after four days with no power, no water, no ice, no way to keep my incisions clean and dry and, and watching my neighbor's house with a scoped .308 in my lap (because he was frantically trying to locate and rescue his own family members and couldn't be right there to do it himself) while I recupperated from heart surgery from two days before.

Hooray for you. I'm glad everything worked out.

Give me something to "chaw" on. Quote me one single thing she's said that advocated violence against LE's who were performing a LEGAL function. Then you have a case for "bigotry". What you have right now is a pocket full of "empty".

Ok.

Herself said:
...And if they try to take away my means of self-defense, especially under disaster/emergency conditions and I do end up having to shoot them, I'll do that just as politely as I can, too, while sincerely regretting having had to shoot 'em. In a decent society with a well-behaved government, the shooting of public servants should never be necessary.

--Herself

I guess since she would feel bad if she shot a cop, it would make it all ok.

What? Are you trying to get a date with her, or something?
 
M-Rex said:
Wrong.

Never said that.

These are your DIRECT words in reply to two seperate posters who merely advocated following the advice you use in your own sig line - "molon labe!"

Oh Christ. Here it comes again. The Flake and Nut parade.

I was commenting on the nigh-inevitable frothing and chest beating that occurs after one of these sorts of references -- especially the fiasco in New Orleans -- and the propensity of the authority-phobes to rant and rave.

Thank you for making the point outlined in my post above for me.

For what it is worth, I am far from an "authority-phobe". I live in a small town outside of a small city just north of NOLA. The small city in question has an excellent police chief who demands that those under his command give the same respect they demand. No problems at all there. You see the people there (myself included) walk across the street to speak to them. I have enough sense to realize that civility while doing a difficult job flows from the top down, and when displayed, is deserving of the utmost respect and civility in return.

I also know that our little town needs lessons very badly from our little neighboring city. After the storm, there was one Indian owned business that decided to open up by candlelight. My wife stopped there to top off some supplies we might need. There is only ONE radio station in this area (and no power to run it), no television stations covering us at all. It was five o'clock in the afternoon (still three and a half hours til dark). A large, peaceful crowd had gathered and was patiently waiting in line to make purchases. While my wife and son were inside the store, a local LEO came up to where I was standing outside our car, and was fairly polite in telling me there was a curfew that was going into effect at five-thirty. I was wearing a tank top and trying not to sweat too badly into the fresh incisions from a two day old heart surgery. With no communications, we had no way of knowing about the curfew, so I thanked the officer for letting me know, told him we'd be heading home as soon as my wife returned with her purchases and the keys to our car, and he turned to address the others standing in the lot. That was when his SS wannabe buddies came roaring into the lot, sirens blaring, and yelling at everyone on the opposite side of the lot (did I mention I was the only white face there?) that they'd "better get the hell off the streets - NOW!!!" At this point the officer decided for some reason (beats me to this day what that reason was) that he had to show some bad boy attitude too. After what I had assumed was an unpleasant, but not unpleasantly handled part of his job that was concluded, he turned back to me and told me in a menacing voice that I HAD BETTER BE OFF THE STREETS AND QUICK. I looked down at my chest, back up at him, and politely asked him if he wanted to take the responsibility of causing the county to have to pay for my medical expenses when he locked my ass up for not leaving my wife and son (especially since I had no means of doing so). That caught him up short enough for him to turn and go verbally assailing some darker faces. No, I have no authority-phobic tendencies. I full well intended to obey his lawful order, and in amicable style. Once he stepped over his legal authority, though, I had no problem at all in going to jail to make a point. Had he come to my home and tried to overstep those bounds, I likewise would have had no problem with the "molon labe!" philosopy either.

That same philosophy is ALL that I saw either of the two posters you so derisively responded to espouse.

Just in case you are curious as to why we were out and about to begin with, my wife works in the health care field and was required as a condition of her employment to be out and about. I had gone to bring her home from work.

FWIW, I did read the sticky RE: The use of the name of God in posts. I don't know or care what your convictions are, but I think that if you are going to call on the name of Christ, it should be as something other than a swear word. Not all authority wears a badge.
 
M-Rex said:
There's that wide brush again...in case you didn't see it.

No wide brush. Was directly brushing you and your statement. No one else.

Well...I guess I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. Do you get more upset when I agree with you or when I don't agree with you?

Hey...that was more of that wide brush. Wow.

Ride that pony. Seems to be the only one you know how to saddle.

Not in the slightest. The one-cop-is-bad-so-all-cops-are-bad thing though...

Care to post a quote that led you to that conclusion when you took Christ's name in vain? I pointed out that I had seen nothing in the posts that were in conflict with your "molon labe!" philosopy that you espouse in your own sig. I'm still waiting for something to show otherwise.

Hooray for you. I'm glad everything worked out.

And I'm glad to see you be so condescending. You're a credit to your badge.

I guess since she would feel bad if she shot a cop, it would make it all ok.

Awww, you can do better than that? "Molon Labe!" or "Molon Labe!"? Are you a hypocrit or not? She just outlined a scenerio that DID occur (not some hypothetical "make belive" situation) and what her response to it would be. That response was "Molon Labe!"

What? Are you trying to get a date with her, or something?

Nah...I won't do it...good taste dictated that I delete my original reply to that. You are undeserving of a decent response to that tripe...and I won't stoop to the level of giving it the response it merits.

<sheesh> And we wonder how some officers can give others a bad name.
 
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