"Walmart Laws:" Compromise, incrementalism and RKBA

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This is how the other side operates. It ain't just about expanding government activity in health care. They have used the same tactics in the War on Your Guns.

Rick

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/bminiter/?id=110008023

Divide and conquer:

What Maryland's Delegate James Hubbard, a Democrat from Prince George's County, had to say was revealing of both why he backed his state's "Wal-Mart bill" and what this fight is really about: expanding Medicaid and other taxpayer-funded health-care entitlements.

So Mr. Hubbard and others settled on a new approach--pushing through smaller, bite-sized pieces. The first piece was the Wal-Mart bill. It passed last year and was enacted last month, when the Legislature overrode Gov. Robert Ehrlich's veto. Two weeks ago Mr. Hubbard was at it again, this time introducing a new bill to mandate that companies with at least 1,000 employees spend 4.5% of their payroll on health care or pay the state the difference. Once this piece is in place, Mr. Hubbard told me, the next step will be to create a similar mandate--perhaps 2% or 3%--for companies with fewer than 1,000 employees. Each year, Mr. Hubbard hopes to expand the mandate to include ever smaller companies with the ultimate goal of "health coverage for all Marylanders."

Mr. Hubbard noted how effective splitting the difference can be in moving legislation toward a larger goal. "If you give up 80% of what you want to get 20%," he said, "after five years you will have nothing left to give up." Mr. Hubbard also noted a quirk in the system that made raising taxes and expanding the Medicaid rolls attractive. With the federal government paying half or more of every dollar spent on Medicaid, states were essentially leaving federal dollars on the table by not expanding the program.

What's now dawning on Wal-Mart CEO Lee Scott is that his company is a middleman in this exchange. So on Sunday he spoke directly to the governors and said there was "too much politics" in state bills taking aim at his company. Of course, that's exactly why more states will target Wal-Mart and other employers in order to raise revenue to expand Medicaid, unless someone in Washington puts a stop to it.

Rick
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"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." --Edmund Burke
 
In a debate I recently had with three leftists, I found it amazing what absolute hatred the left has toward Wall-Mart. Wall-Mart stands for the free market system (among other things) that they so hate.
 
Even the Joe-and-Jane-Average liberal have a thing against Walmart. I noticed it at work where I am surrounded by lefties. I mentioned I got something at Walmart and they were aghast. It is organized and part of their left persona. I am sure they talk about it much in their spare time.

All sorts of issues they have with Walmart. Not enough healthcare coverage. Part-time workers. Fighting against the "morning after pill" and others too insignificant for me to remember.

On the other hand, they just love Costco. Unionized, "healthcare for all," etc. I went to a shopping mall in Phoenix to pick up supplies for work. There is a Super Walmart on one side and a Costco on the other. Naturally we began talking and comparing the two. From where we entered the store on the south side, an observation was made that Costco was on the left and Walmart was on the right. We continued with other east-west cold war analogies. Walmart is bright and cheery while Costco is gray concrete dreary. Walmart has a large selection of goods in different sizes while Costco attempts to keep costs down by offering only a few brands in eerily industrial sizes. Etc, etc.

Anyway, this is no accident that this Walmart thing happened. The left-leadership has been priming the pump on this for years. They (mayors, legislators, union leaders, wonks) go to closed seminars, conference calls, junkets -- all to talk amongst themselves and reach a tenuous consensus and a general plan.

Just like they incrementally attacked, and will atttack guns. Just like they incrementally attacked tobacco. It's how they operate.

Rick
 
I am a free market loving Libertarian.

I can't stand what WalMart has done to American commerce or to the trade deficit with China. It seems like WalMart has more or less singlehandedly sold America out to China.

I believe that tough trade treaties (absolute reciprocal trade policy) with China and everyone else would be way better for America than being able to buy cheap crap readily at any of a million WalMart stores across the nation.
 
Against this legislation . . . no friend of Wal Mart

It will be interesting when this becomes a SCOTUS case.
 
Gee Neon, just how do "tough trade treaties" match up with your "free market libertarian" stance?? Not so free?

Supply and demand. If you don't like the goods, don't buy them. If you don't like the store, don't shop there. That is a free market.
 
and Costco treats you like a thief.
what's with checking your shopping cart when you leave?
I bought it, I paid for it, It's mine, keep your paws off.
Anybody that's worked retail knows most theft (or shrinkage as it's called) is from stuff going out the back door , not the front.

Of course Sam's does it too.

Yes, I know it's in your membership agreement.
It doesn't bother my wife so she pushes the cart out the door, I just stand outside and get mad.

AFS
 
I am a free market loving Libertarian.

I can't stand what WalMart has done to American commerce or to the trade deficit with China. It seems like WalMart has more or less singlehandedly sold America out to China.

I believe that tough trade treaties (absolute reciprocal trade policy) with China and everyone else would be way better for America than being able to buy cheap crap readily at any of a million WalMart stores across the nation.

So you are a free market lover against free markets? :scrutiny:
 
I'm no longer a big fan of Wal-Mart . . . but I don't have a visceral hatred for it like many of the lefties do, and my relatively mild dislike is not based on any of the reasons given by most activists.

See, I remember when Wal-Mart ads and commercials, as well as store displays, used to proudly proclaim "Made In America" on most of the merchandise.

No more. :(

Now, it's hard to find things at Wal-Mart which are NOT made in Red China or some turd world dungheap. This bothers me a bit. I generally try to buy American-made goods - I'll even pay a modest premium, assuming the quality is still there - so I really don't do a heck of a lot of shopping at Wal-Mart anymore.

And as for the larger issue of international trade, I believe I see where neoncowboy is coming from . . . IMHO importing things into the USA should be just as easy as exporting things to Red China . . . or Japan . . . or Brazil . . . but our country's import policy towards those countries ought to be largely based on THEIR import policies for US goods.

Free trade has to be free in both directions.
 
and Costco treats you like a thief.
what's with checking your shopping cart when you leave?
I bought it, I paid for it, It's mine, keep your paws off.

Our local Walmart checks bags around big holidays. Our little town had a nice gun/fishing shop. I knew the owner pretty well and he said 6 months after Walmart showed up here his sales had dropped off more than 50%. He couldn't compete and closed. He didn't have many guns, but he did have a lot of oddball stuff that I use (example: magnum small rifle primers for my .454
cases). Walmart doesn't carry this kind of stuff, nor will they order it for me.
The next closest gun shop is 50 miles away and I drive there to buy supplies.

The one positive comment I can offer on Walmart is it's apparently a buglite for mutants. If the authorities ever want to gather them all up - all they have to do is wait at the exit, eventually they leave. Seriously, sit down on those benches they have at the entrance/exit some day for 30 minutes and do a mutant count. I've done it, the numbers are astounding.
 
WalMart has more or less singlehandedly sold America out to China.

No, the American public did the selling out by buying those products they deemed as adequate for their use.

It's a choice made by everyone with a buck to spend and stretch. The real culprit is the Lawmakers, taxing everything and anything. Companies cannot really increase prices to stay in business so they cut costs. The only costs they cannot cut are those mandated by the government.

Your government set up the sell out.

Vick
 
This is how the other side operates. It ain't just about expanding government activity in health care. They have used the same tactics in the War on Your Guns.
Actually, expanding government activity in health care IS PART OF the anti's strategy ... once government is footing the bill for all our health care then they can start banning things that cost THEM money (or at least use that as an excuse).

Your guns are on that list.

Socialized medicine (which is the ultimate goal here) is nothing more than the state taking ownership of all our bodies.
 
I dont mean to hijack the thread, but a retail store (including membership stores like Costco, Sam's Club, etc) has no legal right to search your bags once you pay for your goods, unless they are holding you on the suspicion of shoplifting. Exit searches are completely voluntary.

We now return you to the Wal-Mart thread, already in progress.
 
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Ten, Best Buy does it all the time. They check bags & receipts. Does it aid in loss prevention?? Maybe a little. If someone plans on stealing something, they're going to hide it and it WON'T be in the bag. The cashiers at most places seem to do a decent job.

On the WalMart issue, I LOVE Wal Mart. I've been shopping there since the late 70s, when it came to my hometown. WalMart has a good thing going. The down side is the fact that they run many a small business out due to the small businesses not being able to compete.
 
in Best Buy I tell the door guy to take a hike. You want to check my bag and call me a thief call a cop, NOW!!!
I walked past the guy and went to my car and they did call a LEO. LEO was very cool. He asked the store manager if he was saying I stole something.
Manager backed off really quick and I got the nod from the LEO. Sometimes it pays to be a white middle class looking doofus.
And try putting up a sign that you will check me upon my leaving and then I'll just take my business someplace else. I paid for it and it's mine and you keep your hands off.

AFS
 
AirForceShooter, I don't do much business with Best Buy for THAT reason. Usually, I go in there looking for something specific or for something that is on sale. I hate being made to feel criminal just because I'm in a store.
 
BigRobT, I know they do, as does CompUSA and a bunch of other places, but the point I was trying to make was you do not HAVE to stop and let the door-monkey paw through your bags.

Once money changes hands, those items become YOUR property, and unless they are detaining you on suspicion of shoplifting, you can be on your way.

I just smile and give them 'the nod' as I head out the door. Nobody has ever challenged me, and if they do I'm not going to make a big deal about it as I certainly understand their desire to cut down on shoplifting, but I will speak to the manager to ensure they train the door-yokels a little better.

Even at membership joints like Costco, they cannot search you. They can subsequently cancel your membership, however.
 
I'm all for free market, basic eco. 101, however much of what is happening in America is controlled by wealthy corporations, I do not see this as good for this country, we continue to lose manufacturing plants/jobs, we outsource
everything possible.

We lose benefits daily, pensions, medical cost continue to rise and in a very
short number of years will not be available to 50% of our population.

Who do we blame, I'm not sure, perhaps all of us I do think greed at the top,
of those in power is frightening and knows no end at what they will do in
selling out this country, all in the name of global market.:cuss:
 
We lose benefits daily, pensions, medical cost continue to rise and in a very short number of years will not be available to 50% of our population.
You still have a pension??? Government employee??

Where do you come up with the 50%?

Medical costs will continue to escalate because of :

Lawsuits and Lawyers
Baby boomers aging and the demand rising
Improvements in healthcare (i.e. MRI's etc)

Since the only thing we might be able to get rid of is the lawyers, lets try that...
 
I didnt' realize being a free market lover required unrestricted global trade practices.

I have always thought that one of the legitimate functions of our government was international trade policy creation.

Maybe I should go back to libertarian economics 101.
 
Just so you all know, I work for Wal-Mart

If the lefties REALLY wanted to make Wal-Mart hurt, then they would install tarrifs on goods from China. Since that wouldn't acomplish their larger goals they have to settle for these laws that they cook up in the statehouses.

Come April when I am not covered by my parents insurance I will have full coverage $500 deductable health insurance for about $85 a month. Most people that work here do not have insurance simply because they are covered by their spouse or are like me and still covered under their parents plan.
 
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